BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

imposter2.0

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month.

Unsurprisingly, you heard wrong.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

Because that's how good democracies work right?

Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

Hopefully this time it will.

You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?

Isn't it the opposite? People are prioritising no Brexit over how UK democracy works. There are supposed to be Queen's speeches every year, but the last one was June 2017. A new PM and new government would typically result in a Queen's speech to set out the plans for the year.

Of course, BoJo is using it for his own benefit, but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

Also, MPs still have a chance to call a VONC. They just don't think they have the numbers.

I thought parliament voted the government to avoid no-deal at all costs, and surely the standard proceedings is not to suspend parliament but to ensure things are discussed.

There has been a change of policy from the government and surely parliament should be allowed, ahead of the brexit deadline, to have sufficient time to discuss and amend their position?

surrey_commuter

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month. Good to see the fraudster getting his comeuppance

I enjoyed hearing him crying into his porridge while he was being interviewed.

Any reason you call him a fraudster?

He stood on a Conservative party manifesto purely to gain his MP's salary and expenses when he knew he was not going abide by the manifesto he was voted in on. His constituency could have had a proper Tory MP

I was sure that Grieve voted for the WA

Do you only want to get rid of the "spartans" or any Tory MP who defied the whip?

kingstongraham

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

Because that's how good democracies work right?

Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

Hopefully this time it will.

You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?

Isn't it the opposite? People are prioritising no Brexit over how UK democracy works. There are supposed to be Queen's speeches every year, but the last one was June 2017. A new PM and new government would typically result in a Queen's speech to set out the plans for the year.

Of course, BoJo is using it for his own benefit, but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

Also, MPs still have a chance to call a VONC. They just don't think they have the numbers.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month. Good to see the fraudster getting his comeuppance

I enjoyed hearing him crying into his porridge while he was being interviewed.

Any reason you call him a fraudster?

He stood on a Conservative party manifesto purely to gain his MP's salary and expenses when he knew he was not going abide by the manifesto he was voted in on. His constituency could have had a proper Tory MP

Oh, I thought he might have done something illegal for you to make that allegation, not just voted in what he saw as the best interests of his constituents.

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

The Lexit movement was not just Owen Jones.

True. Corbyn has been a life long Eurosceptic who is now going against his long held beliefs, probably because he reckons it's his best shot at some form of power. Either that or he thinks it won't work and is just going through the motions hoping to capitalise afterwards.

I'd be interested to get your reaction to this take.

https://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.co ... hobia.html

It's not that long, so take 5 mins whenever you have one to read.

I think he's pretty interesting and he'd actually be on the same page as you in a lot of ways.

He's a writer and an economist for ING; Chris Dillow.

I am often surprised at the sources you quote, but how can you take an article seriously when it's keystone is highlighted below from the 3rd line of the article


Why is there so much passionate, visceral hatred of Jeremy Corbyn? From an economic point of view, it seems a puzzle.

His stated economic programme is modest.

It's certainly an eye-catching statement, but probably more accurate than the hysterical claims that he wants to turn Britain into another Venezuela.

tailwindhome

Matt Chorley with an interesting point.

New parliamentary session means the WA can be brought back

TheBigBean

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

Because that's how good democracies work right?

Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

Hopefully this time it will.

You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?

Isn't it the opposite? People are prioritising no Brexit over how UK democracy works. There are supposed to be Queen's speeches every year, but the last one was June 2017. A new PM and new government would typically result in a Queen's speech to set out the plans for the year.

Of course, BoJo is using it for his own benefit, but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

Also, MPs still have a chance to call a VONC. They just don't think they have the numbers.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

One year, originally from autumn to autumn, but since the fixed term parliament act usually from May to May. The current session is the longest since the civil war.

kingstongraham

TheBigBean wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

Because that's how good democracies work right?

Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

Hopefully this time it will.

You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?

Isn't it the opposite? People are prioritising no Brexit over how UK democracy works. There are supposed to be Queen's speeches every year, but the last one was June 2017. A new PM and new government would typically result in a Queen's speech to set out the plans for the year.

Of course, BoJo is using it for his own benefit, but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

Also, MPs still have a chance to call a VONC. They just don't think they have the numbers.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

One year, originally from autumn to autumn, but since the fixed term parliament act usually from May to May. The current session is the longest since the civil war.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month. Good to see the fraudster getting his comeuppance

I enjoyed hearing him crying into his porridge while he was being interviewed.

Any reason you call him a fraudster?

He stood on a Conservative party manifesto purely to gain his MP's salary and expenses when he knew he was not going abide by the manifesto he was voted in on. His constituency could have had a proper Tory MP

Oh, I thought he might have done something illegal for you to make that allegation, not just voted in what he saw as the best interests of his constituents.

A fraudster receives money via deception. He has deceived his constituents.

Anyway, we only have a couple of weeks left of him before he casts himself out into political history. Good riddence I say

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

Then why are plenty of learned commentators suggesting it is will bring on a constitutional crisis?

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

Because that's how good democracies work right?

Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

Hopefully this time it will.

You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?

Isn't it the opposite? People are prioritising no Brexit over how UK democracy works. There are supposed to be Queen's speeches every year, but the last one was June 2017. A new PM and new government would typically result in a Queen's speech to set out the plans for the year.

Of course, BoJo is using it for his own benefit, but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

Also, MPs still have a chance to call a VONC. They just don't think they have the numbers.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

One year, originally from autumn to autumn, but since the fixed term parliament act usually from May to May. The current session is the longest since the civil war.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

The govt are including 3 weeks for the party conference season so is respecting other political parties. Whingers still whinge though

bompington

Coopster the 1st wrote:

A fraudster receives money via deception. He has deceived his constituents.

Presumably the same applies to those members of the ERG who have repeatedly voted against the whip of the conservative government.

Or the man who's receiving a £150K salary for lying about £350 million.

You really are full of mince.

TheBigBean

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

Because that's how good democracies work right?

Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

Hopefully this time it will.

You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?

Isn't it the opposite? People are prioritising no Brexit over how UK democracy works. There are supposed to be Queen's speeches every year, but the last one was June 2017. A new PM and new government would typically result in a Queen's speech to set out the plans for the year.

Of course, BoJo is using it for his own benefit, but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

Also, MPs still have a chance to call a VONC. They just don't think they have the numbers.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

One year, originally from autumn to autumn, but since the fixed term parliament act usually from May to May. The current session is the longest since the civil war.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

It doesn't seem to be consistent. A week or two or longer if it is combined with other recesses. See link below. Worth noting that parliament is nearly always in recess mid Sept to mid October for conferences in any case.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/ho ... es/recess/

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month. Good to see the fraudster getting his comeuppance

I enjoyed hearing him crying into his porridge while he was being interviewed.

Any reason you call him a fraudster?

He stood on a Conservative party manifesto purely to gain his MP's salary and expenses when he knew he was not going abide by the manifesto he was voted in on. His constituency could have had a proper Tory MP

Oh, I thought he might have done something illegal for you to make that allegation, not just voted in what he saw as the best interests of his constituents.

A fraudster receives money via deception. He has deceived his constituents.

Anyway, we only have a couple of weeks left of him before he casts himself out into political history. Good riddence I say

B*locks has he. His pro-European views have been well known for a long time and his constituency party still put him forward at the last election. And he was elected with a 43% majority - his constituents clearly wanted a pro-European MP. If they didn't I'm sure there were other candidates. Beaconsfield voted 51:49 for Remain in the referendum.

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

The govt are including 3 weeks for the party conference season so is respecting other political parties. Whingers still whinge though

We'll see. The executive clearly doesn't believe that what they are doing has the backing of the elected representatives.

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month. Good to see the fraudster getting his comeuppance

I enjoyed hearing him crying into his porridge while he was being interviewed.

Any reason you call him a fraudster?

He stood on a Conservative party manifesto purely to gain his MP's salary and expenses when he knew he was not going abide by the manifesto he was voted in on. His constituency could have had a proper Tory MP

Oh, I thought he might have done something illegal for you to make that allegation, not just voted in what he saw as the best interests of his constituents.

A fraudster receives money via deception. He has deceived his constituents.

Anyway, we only have a couple of weeks left of him before he casts himself out into political history. Good riddence I say

B*locks has he. His pro-European views have been well known for a long time and his constituency party still put him forward at the last election. And he was elected with a 43% majority - his constituents clearly wanted a pro-European MP. If they didn't I'm sure there were other candidates. Beaconsfield voted 51:49 for Remain in the referendum.

Haha. He has announced he will resign as a Conservative MP next month. Fortunately for Beaconsfield, when the next election occurs, their electorate will get an MP who respects the manifesto they are elected on.

I bet he hasn't the balls to stand in a by-election to prove that his constituents back him

As I said earlier, he is a fraudster...

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

The govt are including 3 weeks for the party conference season so is respecting other political parties. Whingers still whinge though

We'll see. The executive clearly doesn't believe that what they are doing has the backing of the elected representatives.

MP's were undermining the executive's negotiations with the EU so it makes sense over the party season to remove their noise.

Then when they come back from their party conferences they can vote on the queen's speech that will outline what happens from 1st November onwards.

If there is an agreeable deal to leave the EU they can also vote to pass that

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

Because that's how good democracies work right?

Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

Hopefully this time it will.

You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?

Isn't it the opposite? People are prioritising no Brexit over how UK democracy works. There are supposed to be Queen's speeches every year, but the last one was June 2017. A new PM and new government would typically result in a Queen's speech to set out the plans for the year.

Of course, BoJo is using it for his own benefit, but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

Also, MPs still have a chance to call a VONC. They just don't think they have the numbers.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

One year, originally from autumn to autumn, but since the fixed term parliament act usually from May to May. The current session is the longest since the civil war.

How long is the gap between parliamentary sessions normally?

It doesn't seem to be consistent. A week or two or longer if it is combined with other recesses. See link below. Worth noting that parliament is nearly always in recess mid Sept to mid October for conferences in any case.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/ho ... es/recess/

I'll ask again, if it's *so* regular, why are people who are familiar with constitutional law, and the speaker of the house, suggesting this will likely cause a constitutional crisis?

rjsterry

bompington wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

A fraudster receives money via deception. He has deceived his constituents.

Presumably the same applies to those members of the ERG who have repeatedly voted against the whip of the conservative government.

Or the man who's receiving a £150K salary for lying about £350 million.

This has recently been tested in court. It's not fraud.

tailwindhome

Coopster the 1st wrote:

MP's were undermining the executive's negotiations with the EU

The executive aren't negotiating with the EU

Ben6899

Coopster and Goo.

In simple bullet points.

Tell us why leaving the EU on 31st October, with No Deal, is a good thing that you're desperate to see happen.

Thank you

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

B*locks has he. His pro-European views have been well known for a long time and his constituency party still put him forward at the last election. And he was elected with a 43% majority - his constituents clearly wanted a pro-European MP. If they didn't I'm sure there were other candidates. Beaconsfield voted 51:49 for Remain in the referendum.

Haha. He has announced he will resign as a Conservative MP next month. Fortunately for Beaconsfield, when the next election occurs, their electorate will get an MP who respects the manifesto they are elected on.

I bet he hasn't the balls to stand in a by-election to prove that his constituents back him

As I said earlier, he is a fraudster...

Will they? You realise a manifesto is just a wish list of ambitions, not some legally enforceable contract. If you're going to have a fit of the vapours every time a manifesto is not strictly adhered to, you're never going to be happy.

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

The govt are including 3 weeks for the party conference season so is respecting other political parties. Whingers still whinge though

We'll see. The executive clearly doesn't believe that what they are doing has the backing of the elected representatives.

MP's were undermining the executive's negotiations with the EU so it makes sense over the party season to remove their noise.

Then when they come back from their party conferences they can vote on the queen's speech that will outline what happens from 1st November onwards.

If there is an agreeable deal to leave the EU they can also vote to pass that

I don't think it will get that far. The government seems to be pushing for a vote of no confidence asap and expecting that can result in a general election because it will be up to Labour to put together an alternative government that can command the confidence of the house. I think they may have underestimated.

It's all games to them.

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

The govt are including 3 weeks for the party conference season so is respecting other political parties. Whingers still whinge though

We'll see. The executive clearly doesn't believe that what they are doing has the backing of the elected representatives.

MP's were undermining the executive's negotiations with the EU so it makes sense over the party season to remove their noise.

Then when they come back from their party conferences they can vote on the queen's speech that will outline what happens from 1st November onwards.

If there is an agreeable deal to leave the EU they can also vote to pass that

I don't think it will get that far. The government seems to be pushing for a vote of no confidence asap and expecting that can result in a general election because it will be up to Labour to put together an alternative government that can command the confidence of the house. I think they may have underestimated.

It's all games to them.

Despite what you are hoping for, Labour will not win a no confidence vote. For every fraud like Dominic Grieve, there are MP's, particularly the independent ones who want to maintain their gravy train as long as possible

It's the remoaners who are constantly trying to up the gaming stakes but thankfully the govt are always one step ahead of them

robert88

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

The govt are including 3 weeks for the party conference season so is respecting other political parties. Whingers still whinge though

We'll see. The executive clearly doesn't believe that what they are doing has the backing of the elected representatives.

MP's were undermining the executive's negotiations with the EU so it makes sense over the party season to remove their noise.

Then when they come back from their party conferences they can vote on the queen's speech that will outline what happens from 1st November onwards.

If there is an agreeable deal to leave the EU they can also vote to pass that

I don't think it will get that far. The government seems to be pushing for a vote of no confidence asap and expecting that can result in a general election because it will be up to Labour to put together an alternative government that can command the confidence of the house. I think they may have underestimated.

It's all games to them.

Despite what you are hoping for, Labour will not win a no confidence vote. For every fraud like Dominic Grieve, there are MP's, particularly the independent ones who want to maintain their gravy train as long as possible

It's the remoaners who are constantly trying to up the gaming stakes but thankfully the govt are always one step ahead of them

My bet is that 48% of the population will benefit financially from Brexit in the medium to long term. They will mostly be those who voted against it.

When it comes to other factors such as quality of the place in which you live and the harmony you have with others, domestically or internationally, then I am far less optimistic.

imposter2.0

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Haha. He has announced he will resign as a Conservative MP next month.

Just because you keep saying it - doesn't make it true. He has done nothing of the sort.

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Despite what you are hoping for, Labour will not win a no confidence vote. For every fraud like Dominic Grieve, there are MP's, particularly the independent ones who want to maintain their gravy train as long as possible

It's the remoaners who are constantly trying to up the gaming stakes but thankfully the govt are always one step ahead of them

We'll soon see.

tailwindhome

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

...but thankfully the govt are always one step ahead of them

Funniest post in a long time.