BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Parliament delegated the decision to the people so is does not matter that parliament thinks we should have voted to remain.

    That's what a referendum is, you plum. But it's still advisory, not a legally-binding order.

    After some of your comments today (and other days, to be fair), I really hope the inevitable Brexit sh1tstorm hits you the hardest and knocks you flat...
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,562
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    It doesn't matter what the referendum ballot paper said or what the result was; it's what parliament decides to do that counts.

    Parliament delegated the decision to the people so is does not matter that parliament thinks we should have voted to remain.

    In a referendum their vote is worth the same as yours and mine.

    Tl;dr

    It is for them to deliver leaving, not stall and try to overturn the democratic result. This is what TBP are now influencing as many of those in parliament have shown themselves to be spinless losers who don't respect democracy!

    Politically, maybe. But legally they have no obligation to. They could have drafted the legislation that enacted the referendum to require the result to be fulfilled, but that was the previous parliament and all the new one would have to do to change direction is pass a new act repealing the previous one. Spineless losers they might be but they're sovereign and we're not.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    rjsterry wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    sunglasses wrote:
    fact: zero voted for leave with no deal, because that was not the platform of the leave campaign
    Unless your ballot paper was different to mine, that is exactly what was on it. Stay or Leave. There were no boxes to tick for CU, Norway, Switzerland, Canada etc were there?
    Yet they all include leaving the EU to some degree. The ballot paper did not qualify what leave meant in any way and supports neither argument.

    More fundamentally, people seem to have forgotten that the referendum is not some tablet of stone forever more, nor can it bind the hands of parliament to take one route or another. Parliament can take whatever route it collectively votes for and is not required to do what voters want*. The parliament we chose did not want to leave without a deal, nor did it like any of the options very much.

    People can moan about betrayal and failure to carry out the public's wishes but they elected this parliament and this is what parliament wishes.

    *granted this is unlikely to be a good strategy for staying in parliament for more than one term.

    Tl;dr

    It doesn't matter what the referendum ballot paper said or what the result was; it's what parliament decides to do that counts.

    Yes, it was up to Parliament and Parliament decided to invoke A50 and subsequently reject the only deal, twice, within days of the 2 year deadline. Only saved from crashing out by the EU fudging the 2 year deadline rule.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Imposter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Parliament delegated the decision to the people so is does not matter that parliament thinks we should have voted to remain.

    That's what a referendum is, you plum. But it's still advisory, not a legally-binding order.

    After some of your comments today (and other days, to be fair), I really hope the inevitable Brexit sh1tstorm hits you the hardest and knocks you flat...

    And you'll be even happier when life carries on as normal and all the scare stories were just that, when little boys like you who have now become scared of their own shadow.

    I'm sure you are stocked up on tins of beans and drinking water. You don't need tinfoil as you I can tell you already have enough of that as you are exhibiting loony traits

    It's going to be so amusing watching all those egos, like yours, come crashing down as they come to terms with how gullible they had been, just like in the months following the referendum result!
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Didn't really understand any of that. You're drowning in your own bile...
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rjsterry wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Will of the People

    Is he related to will.i.am?

    No, he was one of Robin Hood's merry men I think.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,230
    Imposter wrote:
    Didn't really understand any of that. You're drowning in your own bile...
    He's a bot. I thought Putin's boys had decommed them having done their job, to perfection it seems, but that one is still dribbling sh1t.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Will mps get it together next or will they fail like last time they got control because some cant think things through and let loyalties get in the way of they they want, or they cant commit because they are unsure, or the worst they cant vote or that because them over there support it. The first two everyone are guilty of in some way the last means some in parliament are there to virtue signal. There seem to to many of them.

    I also wonder even if Brexit is stopped (I somehow think it all too late now) what then. Does stopping Brexit solve a problem or create a bigger one. The bigger one I am thinking about is political paralysis and a deeper political divide much like seen in the USA. Stopping brexit could end up being a phyrric victory
    No deal is horrible as well. The problem with no deal which escapes cooper the1st is how a small group of no dealers and rammed it down the threats of everyone. That has big implications for the populations relationship with those in power. It not the economics. How bad or non existent a recession is as a result of no deal is not the real issue
    No deal just like staying in entrenched positions and will more than likely result in political paralysis for quite some time.

    I am trying to see a situation where paralysis is not the outcome and that will affect economic growth adversely by itself.

    Ebola or Marburg what's your poison. I really hope I'm wrong.
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  • pinkbikini
    pinkbikini Posts: 876
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    It doesn't matter what the referendum ballot paper said or what the result was; it's what parliament decides to do that counts.

    Parliament delegated the decision to the people so is does not matter that parliament thinks we should have voted to remain.

    In a referendum their vote is worth the same as yours and mine.

    Tl;dr

    It is for them to deliver leaving, not stall and try to overturn the democratic result. This is what TBP are now influencing as many of those in parliament have shown themselves to be spinless losers who don't respect democracy!

    Your ‘Too long, didn’t read’ explanation is longer than your original statement.

    I tend to avoid commenting on all this nonsense, but it did make me smile.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    orraloon wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Didn't really understand any of that. You're drowning in your own bile...
    He's a bot. I thought Putin's boys had decommed them having done their job, to perfection it seems, but that one is still dribbling sh1t.


    Is he a bot or is that just something people say because they don't like the thought that 52% of those wondering around are Coopsters... (OK not actually 52% but that's not the point)

    After all he's merely reflecting similar rhetoric to that which our prime minister comes out with, although turned up slightly.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    I suspect he’s referred to as a bot because nobody can believe that a sentient human being could be such a vicious, arrogant asshole..
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Lexit movement was not just Owen Jones.
    True. Corbyn has been a life long Eurosceptic who is now going against his long held beliefs, probably because he reckons it's his best shot at some form of power. Either that or he thinks it won't work and is just going through the motions hoping to capitalise afterwards.

    I'd be interested to get your reaction to this take.

    https://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.co ... hobia.html

    It's not that long, so take 5 mins whenever you have one to read.

    I think he's pretty interesting and he'd actually be on the same page as you in a lot of ways.

    He's a writer and an economist for ING; Chris Dillow.
    _
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Meanwhile:
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/go ... rts-banned
    A Government Advertising Campaign Telling EU Citizens How To Stay In The UK After Brexit Has Been Banned For Being “Misleading”
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Does stopping Brexit solve a problem or create a bigger one. The bigger one I am thinking about is political paralysis and a deeper political divide much like seen in the USA. Stopping brexit could end up being a phyrric victory

    I wouldn't worry about it. The thing to remember is that Brexiters never really cared about Europe one way or another; it wasn't something they ever thought about. They just got stirred up into a furious frenzy by people with entirely different agendas. Nobodies life would be damaged by us remaining in Europe. Countless lives will be ruined by us leaving. The Brexiters would get wound up briefly by the post A50 revocation but after a while they'd be getting told to get furious about something completely different.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Parliament delegated the decision to the people


    Then the people decided they wanted a hung parliament
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Jez mon wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Didn't really understand any of that. You're drowning in your own bile...
    He's a bot. I thought Putin's boys had decommed them having done their job, to perfection it seems, but that one is still dribbling sh1t.


    Is he a bot or is that just something people say because they don't like the thought that 52% of those wondering around are Coopsters... (OK not actually 52% but that's not the point)

    After all he's merely reflecting similar rhetoric to that which our prime minister comes out with, although turned up slightly.

    The accounts ability to write English bears no relation to the content.

    As a moron can not pretend to be educated then it is either an amateur troll having fun (surely too long lasting) or somebody being paid to stir things up.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Laura Kuenssberg
    @bbclaurak
    · 2m
    Johnson govt to hold Queen's speech on 14th October, will be confirmed by privy council at Balmoral today - No 10 says it's all biz as usual for a new govt, but has useful political side effect that denies MPs time to try to stop no deal
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,562
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Parliament delegated the decision to the people


    Then the people decided they wanted a hung parliament

    It only gave the illusion of delegating the decision. I wonder if Coopster has read the European Referendum Act 2015; there's lots of stuff about how the campaigns will be run, etc. but it doesn't say anything about enacting the result.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

    Because that's how good democracies work right?
    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,562
    edited August 2019
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Didn't really understand any of that. You're drowning in your own bile...
    He's a bot. I thought Putin's boys had decommed them having done their job, to perfection it seems, but that one is still dribbling sh1t.


    Is he a bot or is that just something people say because they don't like the thought that 52% of those wondering around are Coopsters... (OK not actually 52% but that's not the point)

    After all he's merely reflecting similar rhetoric to that which our prime minister comes out with, although turned up slightly.

    The accounts ability to write English bears no relation to the content.

    As a moron can not pretend to be educated then it is either an amateur troll having fun (surely too long lasting) or somebody being paid to stir things up.

    I think he's just someone who has spent too long reading right-wing conspiracy theories online. He didn't used to be like this.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,562
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

    Because that's how good democracies work right?

    Blair tried it before and it didn't work.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    rjsterry wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Didn't really understand any of that. You're drowning in your own bile...
    He's a bot. I thought Putin's boys had decommed them having done their job, to perfection it seems, but that one is still dribbling sh1t.


    Is he a bot or is that just something people say because they don't like the thought that 52% of those wondering around are Coopsters... (OK not actually 52% but that's not the point)

    After all he's merely reflecting similar rhetoric to that which our prime minister comes out with, although turned up slightly.

    The accounts ability to write English bears no relation to the content.

    As a moron can not pretend to be educated then it is either an amateur troll having fun (surely too long lasting) or somebody being paid to stir things up.

    I think he's just someone who has spent too long reading right-wing conspiracy theories online. He didn't used to be like this.

    To be fair, none of us did a few years ago. I wondered what changed?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Lexit movement was not just Owen Jones.
    True. Corbyn has been a life long Eurosceptic who is now going against his long held beliefs, probably because he reckons it's his best shot at some form of power. Either that or he thinks it won't work and is just going through the motions hoping to capitalise afterwards.

    I'd be interested to get your reaction to this take.

    https://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.co ... hobia.html

    It's not that long, so take 5 mins whenever you have one to read.

    I think he's pretty interesting and he'd actually be on the same page as you in a lot of ways.

    He's a writer and an economist for ING; Chris Dillow.

    I am often surprised at the sources you quote, but how can you take an article seriously when it's keystone is highlighted below from the 3rd line of the article


    Why is there so much passionate, visceral hatred of Jeremy Corbyn? From an economic point of view, it seems a puzzle.

    His stated economic programme is modest.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Lexit movement was not just Owen Jones.
    True. Corbyn has been a life long Eurosceptic who is now going against his long held beliefs, probably because he reckons it's his best shot at some form of power. Either that or he thinks it won't work and is just going through the motions hoping to capitalise afterwards.

    I'd be interested to get your reaction to this take.

    https://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.co ... hobia.html

    It's not that long, so take 5 mins whenever you have one to read.

    I think he's pretty interesting and he'd actually be on the same page as you in a lot of ways.

    He's a writer and an economist for ING; Chris Dillow.

    I am often surprised at the sources you quote, but how can you take an article seriously when it's keystone is highlighted below from the 3rd line of the article


    Why is there so much passionate, visceral hatred of Jeremy Corbyn? From an economic point of view, it seems a puzzle.

    His stated economic programme is modest.

    He's a self confessed natural thatcher supporter (though he's smart enough to know where that falls short) and he's naturally fairly right.

    He does however, actually look at evidence.

    FWIW he wrote quite a critical book on New Labour.

    In the meantime, Sterling is errr, not enjoying the news.
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  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    rjsterry wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

    Because that's how good democracies work right?

    Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

    Hopefully this time it will.
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  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month. Good to see the fraudster getting his comeuppance

    I enjoyed hearing him crying into his porridge while he was being interviewed.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Mr Goo wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

    Because that's how good democracies work right?

    Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

    Hopefully this time it will.

    You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month. Good to see the fraudster getting his comeuppance

    I enjoyed hearing him crying into his porridge while he was being interviewed.

    Any reason you call him a fraudster?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    edited August 2019
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Just heard Dominic Greive is going to resign from politics next month. Good to see the fraudster getting his comeuppance

    I enjoyed hearing him crying into his porridge while he was being interviewed.

    Any reason you call him a fraudster?

    He stood on a Conservative party manifesto purely to gain his MP's salary and expenses when he knew he was not going abide by the manifesto he was voted in on. His constituency could have had a proper Tory MP
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    So they're gonna try to suspend parliament.

    Because that's how good democracies work right?

    Blair tried it before and it didn't work.

    Hopefully this time it will.

    You are prioritising Brexit over how UK democracy works, correct?

    Isn't it the opposite? People are prioritising no Brexit over how UK democracy works. There are supposed to be Queen's speeches every year, but the last one was June 2017. A new PM and new government would typically result in a Queen's speech to set out the plans for the year.

    Of course, BoJo is using it for his own benefit, but I don't think it is an unusual parliamentary process.

    Also, MPs still have a chance to call a VONC. They just don't think they have the numbers.

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