BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

CptKernow

briantrumpet wrote:

Instead of making Labour attractive to a wide range of voters, he's done exactly the opposite. That he still thinks that that's a good way of winning an election shows what an absolute tool he is.

If Labour had virtually anyone else as leader it would be hard to imagine how they wouldn't win a GE in the near term. As it stands they have someone who is only electable by your average student union...

kingstongraham

CptKernow wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Instead of making Labour attractive to a wide range of voters, he's done exactly the opposite. That he still thinks that that's a good way of winning an election shows what an absolute tool he is.

If Labour had virtually anyone else as leader it would be hard to imagine how they wouldn't win a GE in the near term. As it stands they have someone who is only electable by your average student union...

I mean it's almost as if his stance of supporting what the Labour party membership supports only goes as long as they agree with him.

cycleclinic

A general election could backfire but with a 4 way split the share of the vote to get a majority drops alot. It was 42% last time. This time I could be as low as 30%. I think there will be an election called mid August may begining of September. It's do or die.

pblakeney

thecycleclinic wrote:

A general election could backfire but with a 4 way split the share of the vote to get a majority drops alot. It was 42% last time. This time I could be as low as 30%. I think there will be an election called mid August may begining of September. It's do or die.

Beginning of September then.
Aren't they on holiday till the 3rd of September? Tick tock..... Again. :roll:

robert88

PBlakeney wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

A general election could backfire but with a 4 way split the share of the vote to get a majority drops alot. It was 42% last time. This time I could be as low as 30%. I think there will be an election called mid August may begining of September. It's do or die.

Beginning of September then.
Aren't they on holiday till the 3rd of September? Tick tock..... Again. :roll:

3rd September eh?
Keep your wireless sets tuned.

surrey_commuter

He will do anything to avoid the tag of shortest term PM

rolf_f

Surrey Commuter wrote:

He will do anything to avoid the tag of shortest term PM

Referendum it is then.....

Anyway, shouldn't be necessary. We will get a deal - from the mouth of the verbal diarrhoea machine himself

“I would prefer us to leave the EU with a deal,” he said. “I would much prefer it. I believe that it is possible even at this late stage, and I will work flat-out to make it happen".

As we have a deal available and, as he says, he would much prefer a deal to no deal then it is only a matter of signing the deal off and we can move on to the rest of our lives bickering about the mess we are in. Seems simple enough to me.

greg66_tri_v2.0

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

Major facepalm for Labour, that's just embarrassing.

I love it when a plan comes together
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?t=13030866

Looks like a hung parliament to me but it seems likely we'll find out for sure in about 2-3 months. Consensus seems to be that one of Johnson's bigger lies was no early GE.

That isn't representative of how votes would translate to seats though. Forex, the SNP's seats would not evaporate.

bobmcstuff

Rolf F wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

He will do anything to avoid the tag of shortest term PM

Referendum it is then.....

Anyway, shouldn't be necessary. We will get a deal - from the mouth of the verbal diarrhoea machine himself

“I would prefer us to leave the EU with a deal,” he said. “I would much prefer it. I believe that it is possible even at this late stage, and I will work flat-out to make it happen".

As we have a deal available and, as he says, he would much prefer a deal to no deal then it is only a matter of signing the deal off and we can move on to the rest of our lives bickering about the mess we are in. Seems simple enough to me.

Apparently today downing street has said there won't be any new negotiations until the EU has agreed to drop the backstop. Which they've already said they won't do.

Looks to me like Boris is aiming to push Parliament to do something about no deal so he doesn't lose face over it - that's my interpretation anyway.

drhaggis

bobmcstuff wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

He will do anything to avoid the tag of shortest term PM

Referendum it is then.....

Anyway, shouldn't be necessary. We will get a deal - from the mouth of the verbal diarrhoea machine himself

“I would prefer us to leave the EU with a deal,” he said. “I would much prefer it. I believe that it is possible even at this late stage, and I will work flat-out to make it happen".

As we have a deal available and, as he says, he would much prefer a deal to no deal then it is only a matter of signing the deal off and we can move on to the rest of our lives bickering about the mess we are in. Seems simple enough to me.

Apparently today downing street has said there won't be any new negotiations until the EU has agreed to drop the backstop. Which they've already said they won't do.

Looks to me like Boris is aiming to push Parliament to do something about no deal so he doesn't lose face over it - that's my interpretation anyway.

That quote is 100% compatible with the EU's "negotiations are over". So in two days we've learnt it's either... the deal, no deal, revoke. So same as last week. Plus ça change.

slowmart

I love the new title, reminds me of the old quote, you can’t polish a turd.

darkhairedlord

Slowmart wrote:

I love the new title, reminds me of the old quote, you can’t polish a turd.

Freeze it and do it quick.

rick_chasey

Boris has spent large chunks of his career making stuff up to make the EU look foolish.

Presumably getting the entirety of vote leave, including the campaign director back together is so that BoJo can claim the EU is being foolish but he needs a majority in Parliament to make it happen and so call an election.

pblakeney

darkhairedlord wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

I love the new title, reminds me of the old quote, you can’t polish a turd.

Freeze it and do it quick.

Roll it in glitter.

mfin

Well, at least we're getting closer to knocking Brexit on the head.

We've learnt a lot though. 10 years ago who'd have thunk that gammon, chavs, oaps and racists would have so much in common, it's lovely to hear them all getting along.

The civil war will be interesting!

orraloon

Gammon and chav practising for the future on Britannia. How apt. And how very Ingerlish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49142548

darkhairedlord

I see the brexit party bus broke down in Wales and was abandoned in hedge blocking any way forward.
Pics stories across usual platforms..

tailwindhome

TailWindHome wrote:

My hunch is the deal goes through with an NI only backstop and a GE soon after.

This may be far too optimistic a view.

surrey_commuter

orraloon wrote:

Gammon and chav practising for the future on Britannia. How apt. And how very Ingerlish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49142548

Can somebody explain why the presence or non-presence of a clown is so important?

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Gammon and chav practising for the future on Britannia. How apt. And how very Ingerlish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49142548

Can somebody explain why the presence or non-presence of a clown is so important?

Yes, I spotted that, too. Very odd.

pblakeney

I think they were supposed to be dressed as penguins.

Edit - Latest reports are that there was no clown. Maybe IT will remain a mystery.

robert88

PBlakeney wrote:

I think they were supposed to be dressed as penguins.

Edit - Latest reports are that there was no clown. Maybe IT will remain a mystery.

Boris Johnson impersonation?

kingstongraham

Surrey Commuter wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Gammon and chav practising for the future on Britannia. How apt. And how very Ingerlish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49142548

Can somebody explain why the presence or non-presence of a clown is so important?

Someone was apparently promised it would be a "no fancy dress" cruise, presumably because it would be more respectable. So when a clown turned up, obviously they started throwing chairs. Rule Britannia.

rolf_f

Dominic Raab has claimed Britain will be in a better position to negotiate a “good deal” with the European Union if it crashes out of the bloc before the end of October.

The foreign secretary believes a no-deal scenario could provide more leverage in the context of a free trade agreement and resolve long-standing issues such as the Irish backstop.

The MP for Esher and Walton in Surrey also suggested the EU’s “stubborn” behaviour would be responsible if the UK left without a deal and refused to endorse Boris Johnson’s claim during his campaign for the Conservative leadership that the prospect of a no-deal Brexit was a-million-to-one against.

On leaving without a deal after 31 October, Raab told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The prospect of reverting and getting a good deal will be easier after we have left if that is the case. The reason being we do as an independent third country and less subject to effectively the demands of the EU as we are now.”

I'm not sure that this bloke is actually of the same species as the rest of us...... Or does he think that EU membership is pretty much like your house insurance? Just renew as a new customer and get a better deal (ffs).

Or does he actually not really believe any of this twaddle and is actually just saying stuff.....

rick_chasey

Rolf F wrote:

Dominic Raab has claimed Britain will be in a better position to negotiate a “good deal” with the European Union if it crashes out of the bloc before the end of October.

The foreign secretary believes a no-deal scenario could provide more leverage in the context of a free trade agreement and resolve long-standing issues such as the Irish backstop.

The MP for Esher and Walton in Surrey also suggested the EU’s “stubborn” behaviour would be responsible if the UK left without a deal and refused to endorse Boris Johnson’s claim during his campaign for the Conservative leadership that the prospect of a no-deal Brexit was a-million-to-one against.

On leaving without a deal after 31 October, Raab told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The prospect of reverting and getting a good deal will be easier after we have left if that is the case. The reason being we do as an independent third country and less subject to effectively the demands of the EU as we are now.”

I'm not sure that this bloke is actually of the same species as the rest of us...... Or does he think that EU membership is pretty much like your house insurance? Just renew as a new customer and get a better deal (ffs).

Or does he actually not really believe any of this twaddle and is actually just saying stuff.....

It's basically a more extreme version of May's approach isn't it?

surrey_commuter

Rolf F wrote:

Dominic Raab has claimed Britain will be in a better position to negotiate a “good deal” with the European Union if it crashes out of the bloc before the end of October.

The foreign secretary believes a no-deal scenario could provide more leverage in the context of a free trade agreement and resolve long-standing issues such as the Irish backstop.

The MP for Esher and Walton in Surrey also suggested the EU’s “stubborn” behaviour would be responsible if the UK left without a deal and refused to endorse Boris Johnson’s claim during his campaign for the Conservative leadership that the prospect of a no-deal Brexit was a-million-to-one against.

On leaving without a deal after 31 October, Raab told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The prospect of reverting and getting a good deal will be easier after we have left if that is the case. The reason being we do as an independent third country and less subject to effectively the demands of the EU as we are now.”

I'm not sure that this bloke is actually of the same species as the rest of us...... Or does he think that EU membership is pretty much like your house insurance? Just renew as a new customer and get a better deal (ffs).

Or does he actually not really believe any of this twaddle and is actually just saying stuff.....

Yannis’s negotiating strategy is basically to pretend you are an unhinged loony capable of making irrational decisions. I suspect BoJo and Co have read his book.

rick_chasey

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Dominic Raab has claimed Britain will be in a better position to negotiate a “good deal” with the European Union if it crashes out of the bloc before the end of October.

The foreign secretary believes a no-deal scenario could provide more leverage in the context of a free trade agreement and resolve long-standing issues such as the Irish backstop.

The MP for Esher and Walton in Surrey also suggested the EU’s “stubborn” behaviour would be responsible if the UK left without a deal and refused to endorse Boris Johnson’s claim during his campaign for the Conservative leadership that the prospect of a no-deal Brexit was a-million-to-one against.

On leaving without a deal after 31 October, Raab told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The prospect of reverting and getting a good deal will be easier after we have left if that is the case. The reason being we do as an independent third country and less subject to effectively the demands of the EU as we are now.”

I'm not sure that this bloke is actually of the same species as the rest of us...... Or does he think that EU membership is pretty much like your house insurance? Just renew as a new customer and get a better deal (ffs).

Or does he actually not really believe any of this twaddle and is actually just saying stuff.....

Yannis’s negotiating strategy is basically to pretend you are an unhinged loony capable of making irrational decisions. I suspect BoJo and Co have read his book.

It didn't really work though, did it?

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Dominic Raab has claimed Britain will be in a better position to negotiate a “good deal” with the European Union if it crashes out of the bloc before the end of October.

The foreign secretary believes a no-deal scenario could provide more leverage in the context of a free trade agreement and resolve long-standing issues such as the Irish backstop.

The MP for Esher and Walton in Surrey also suggested the EU’s “stubborn” behaviour would be responsible if the UK left without a deal and refused to endorse Boris Johnson’s claim during his campaign for the Conservative leadership that the prospect of a no-deal Brexit was a-million-to-one against.

On leaving without a deal after 31 October, Raab told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The prospect of reverting and getting a good deal will be easier after we have left if that is the case. The reason being we do as an independent third country and less subject to effectively the demands of the EU as we are now.”

I'm not sure that this bloke is actually of the same species as the rest of us...... Or does he think that EU membership is pretty much like your house insurance? Just renew as a new customer and get a better deal (ffs).

Or does he actually not really believe any of this twaddle and is actually just saying stuff.....

Yannis’s negotiating strategy is basically to pretend you are an unhinged loony capable of making irrational decisions. I suspect BoJo and Co have read his book.

It didn't really work though, did it?

The flaw in his plan was to write a book outlining his genius negotiating strategies

Stevo_666

mfin wrote:

Well, at least we're getting closer to knocking Brexit on the head.

We've learnt a lot though. 10 years ago who'd have thunk that gammon, chavs, oaps and racists would have so much in common, it's lovely to hear them all getting along.

The civil war will be interesting!

Do you reckon they would get on well with people who make sweeping generalisations?

cycleclinic

Why is we are being told constantly about the EU dictates that are somehow stiffling us. How did this political ideology take hold? Thats a serious question because I am not sure how it happened in the public and in politicans.

the problem for me is even the lib dems are becoming radicalised. Stop brexit at all costs is like brexit at all costs.

The thing is it appears Raab, Bojo, Patel e.t.c really think no deal is really going to revise the withdrawl treaty. They really seem to think that breaking treaties is somhow O.K because it how they have interpreted the vote with the will of the people mantra. you cant possibly go against the will of the people. What if we had a referendum and the result was to feed the current cabinet to the lions. Would they all say, its the will of the people and happily walk into the lions den or would they protest? If you follow there logic remorsely that were it ends up.

Me and wife are thinking seriously fo demark. Talking to a Dane this weekend and she summed it up. In demark we are content because we trust each other. In britain we dont I replied.

Scotland has the option rightly or wrongly, it matters little of trying to go it alone, maybe thats another delusion. We cant just setup a new country without a revolution. Or perhaps independence for Suffolk is the way forward. We have the U.K biggest port and lots of arable land so we wont starve. I mean Suffolk survived the Dane invasion of 866 so we have been through worse. Surely if brexit can herald a golden age for the U.K and Suffit could hearld a new golden age for suffolk. Perhaps the kingdom of East anglia can be reborn again. I'm joking (perhaps) but its the logic of the brexitiers remorsely applied.