BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

yorkshireraw

pblakeney said:

yorkshireraw said:

pblakeney said:

yorkshireraw said:

ddraver said:

To give you some idea we're increasingly getting calls from people who haven't registered with customs, haven't registered for EORI numbers etc etc who expect us to make all the customs procedures disappear for them. We are talking significant businesses



What do you want us to do about it?

Welkom to de Brexit sir, I'm sorry

Whilst I think Brexit is a very bad idea that has subsequently been managed very badly, by bad people for bad reasons (vs. the common good) - any business that had a reasonable amount of EU trade would, one would expect, have taken some interest in how to manage things after Jan 1. It's not like it's not been in the news for 4.5 years. Bizarre.

It is quite possible that a significant amount of businesses had not considered a part of the UK to suddenly effectively become part of the EU.

? All of the UK WAS part of the EU. I'm not sure I understand your point - are you talking about NI?

Precisely, N.I. This is the area in which DDraver works and was referring to.

aha, makes sense now as in 'was part of the UK but is now part of the EU in effect when it comes to customs'.

Anyway, seems time to try and get another Josh Berry riff on the boards...

"Blo-Jo! Throwing paperwork in the bin, having not understood a thing! How are we?"

rick_chasey

Dorset_Boy said:

surrey_commuter said:

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/tomscorza/status/1352538198103248897?s=21

Another one

That Rose Bikes story isn't 'news' as it was announced weeks ago.
Your twatterer needs to keep up!

do you not think that it is easiest for us to analyse the impact of Brexit on the UK cycling community?

So far it seems to have had a negative impact on choice and a upwards pressure on prices.

Feel free to add Brexit related good news stories for consumers and or manufacturers and retailers.

It was Twattered and reposted on here as if it was new news when in fact Rose made the decision and announced it pre-Christmas I believe. There was even a BR thread on it at the time.
Why reguritate old news if there are plenty of incidences of new bad news?

I figured using cycling kit was a decent case example for the forum, given, y'know, we all buy it.

So much for Brexit helping the hard working, low pay man, when it just makes things more expensive, eh?

briantrumpet

pangolin said:

rick_chasey said:

Ah it’s less true then?

I think this deserves adding to the bingo list

I never liked (X) anyway
I've already got loads of (X) so I don't care if the price goes up
Actually (X) is bad for the environment so it's good we can't get it now
Lol remainers are unhappy so this is a good thing
This is a great opportunity for us to make (X) in the UK!
Something about how the EU is bad
They took my sandwich!
This downside doesn't count because we already know about it

"A bit late for that" (©Stevo)

pblakeney

pangolin said:

rick_chasey said:

Ah it’s less true then?

I think this deserves adding to the bingo list

I never liked (X) anyway
I've already got loads of (X) so I don't care if the price goes up
Actually (X) is bad for the environment so it's good we can't get it now
Lol remainers are unhappy so this is a good thing
This is a great opportunity for us to make (X) in the UK!
Something about how the EU is bad
They took my sandwich!
This downside doesn't count because we already know about it

Add on "No point in worrying about something that hasn't happened yet.".

focuszing723

It makes me laugh a bit that people are worried about getting cycling kit from the EU, when Covid has so far cost the Country £300,000,000,000!

It's crazy times.

rick_chasey

focuszing723 said:

It makes me laugh a bit that people are worried about getting cycling kit from the EU, when Covid has so far cost the Country £300,000,000,000!

It's crazy times.

Not worried. More annoyed I have to pay more for it (and lots of other things), on top of whatever cost rona brings.

yorkshireraw

focuszing723 said:

It makes me laugh a bit that people are worried about getting cycling kit from the EU, when Covid has so far cost the Country £300,000,000,000!

It's crazy times.

The two things are not mutually exclusive. You can be annoyed at both the Govt handling of Covid (and the cost / corruption it has wrought) and the impact of Brexit - on a personal and a societal level.

darkhairedlord

surrey_commuter said:

CEO of HMRC told the public accts committee that British Businesses will spend £7.5bn a year processing customs forms.

Interestingly that is close to the net cost of our annual membership

BuT thaTs aPosiTivE, SpENdiNg in The Uk not EU...

focuszing723

I wasn't really expecting answer, it more a statement of fact at the insanity of the situation.

rick_chasey

focuszing723 said:

I wasn't really expecting answer, it more a statement of fact at the insanity of the situation.

Sure, I guess it's worth reminding you that people who measure this stuff still believe in the end, Brexit will be more costly...

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/10/22/the-cost-of-brexit-is-likely-to-be-more-than-double-that-of-covid-it-must-be-delayed/

surrey_commuter

I know I keep saying that people don't understand who intricately our lives are made easier by the SM but this screaming headline from the lead propagandist for Brexit suggests they really had no clue

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Stevo_666

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

ddraver

TheBigBean said:

I presume Amazon will still manage to sell everything from Luxembourg whilst also managing to dodge import duties.

https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1352613361880625152?s=20

focuszing723

rick_chasey said:

focuszing723 said:

I wasn't really expecting answer, it more a statement of fact at the insanity of the situation.

Sure, I guess it's worth reminding you that people who measure this stuff still believe in the end, Brexit will be more costly...

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/10/22/the-cost-of-brexit-is-likely-to-be-more-than-double-that-of-covid-it-must-be-delayed/

No, sorry that hasn't cheered me up.

focuszing723

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

rick_chasey

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

lol read in the times why they want to be in the UK (hint, less competition in the UK market due to red tape)

Stevo_666

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

People were asking for examples, so I'm just giving them what they wanted

Although have to say I wasn't looking very hard as its a fairly busy day - it popped up in the suggested news articles on my phone. No doubt it will be ignored.

ddraver

Tariffs schmariffs

https://trans.info/en/hmrc-chief-loosening-of-customs-checks-on-trucks-to-cost-uk-800m-in-2021-219017

focuszing723

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

People were asking for examples, so I'm just giving them what they wanted

Although have to say I wasn't looking very hard as its a fairly busy day - it popped up in the suggested news articles on my phone. No doubt it will be ignored.

Oh, don't take every post so seriously Stevo, lol.

Stevo_666

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

People were asking for examples, so I'm just giving them what they wanted

Although have to say I wasn't looking very hard as its a fairly busy day - it popped up in the suggested news articles on my phone. No doubt it will be ignored.

Oh, don't take every post so seriously Stevo, lol.

Don't worry, I'm not. Just being realistic about info that doesn't fit in with certain agendas

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

lol read in the times why they want to be in the UK (hint, less competition in the UK market due to red tape)

Still an advantage according to Nissan. Or do you think they are lying?

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

lol read in the times why they want to be in the UK (hint, less competition in the UK market due to red tape)

Still an advantage according to Nissan. Or do you think they are lying?

Reducing choice often does give someone an advantage. But it's generally not to the consumers' advantage.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

lol read in the times why they want to be in the UK (hint, less competition in the UK market due to red tape)

Still an advantage according to Nissan. Or do you think they are lying?

What is good for a business isn't necessarily good for society.

I appreciate you don't see this perspective so much.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

lol read in the times why they want to be in the UK (hint, less competition in the UK market due to red tape)

Still an advantage according to Nissan. Or do you think they are lying?

Reducing choice often does give someone an advantage. But it's generally not to the consumers' advantage.

I'll go with what Nissan are saying on balance Brian. They are more objective for starters

briantrumpet

Stevo_666 said:

briantrumpet said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

focuszing723 said:

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

A slight up-turn on the side of my face, but still pretty glum.

lol read in the times why they want to be in the UK (hint, less competition in the UK market due to red tape)

Still an advantage according to Nissan. Or do you think they are lying?

Reducing choice often does give someone an advantage. But it's generally not to the consumers' advantage.

I'll go with what Nissan are saying on balance Brian. They are more objective for starters

You reckon a business that sees bigger profits in a market with reduced competition is more objective? OK.

Stevo_666

focuszing723 said:

It makes me laugh a bit that people are worried about getting cycling kit from the EU, when Covid has so far cost the Country £300,000,000,000!

It's crazy times.

True, a sense of perspective is needed, especially given this has happened and its not going to change for the foreseeable.

Stevo_666

ddraver said:

Tariffs schmariffs

https://trans.info/en/hmrc-chief-loosening-of-customs-checks-on-trucks-to-cost-uk-800m-in-2021-219017

Pretty sure the argument about tariffs was that the hit the consumer? Which way do you want it?

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

Here's a positive from Nissan, slightly ironically...

https://theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/22/brexit-has-given-competitive-edge-on-car-battery-tariffs-says-nissan-chief

This downside doesn't count because we already know about it
Add on "No point in worrying about something that hasn't happened yet.".

ddraver

Stevo_666 said:

ddraver said:

Tariffs schmariffs

https://trans.info/en/hmrc-chief-loosening-of-customs-checks-on-trucks-to-cost-uk-800m-in-2021-219017

Pretty sure the argument about tariffs was that the hit the consumer? Which way do you want it?

Do you think having no customs controls at all is a viable strategy? What other laws should we ignore as they re inconvenient?

TheBigBean

ddraver said:

Stevo_666 said:

ddraver said:

Tariffs schmariffs

https://trans.info/en/hmrc-chief-loosening-of-customs-checks-on-trucks-to-cost-uk-800m-in-2021-219017

Pretty sure the argument about tariffs was that the hit the consumer? Which way do you want it?

Do you think having no customs controls at all is a viable strategy? What other laws should we ignore as they re inconvenient?

The EU commission used to get very grumpy with the UK for its more relaxed approach to duty collection