BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Their issue is not about quotas, is it?john80 said:
Well they can certainly sit those industries down and point out they are not miracle workers. Highlight the negotiation will be based on quota access and for access to market and ask them if they want to work with the government and minimise the short term pain or go all in a cede to countries such as Frances demands. I would personally hope they were not so dim to take the second option. All the while French customs officials question the colour of ink and the location of the stamp do you ever wonder why they do that.rjsterry said:As for the 'what's the point?' question, we've only been at it 3 weeks and already the Scottish fishing industry is protesting outside Parliament. I think pressure to improve on the current deal will build and build.
The whole point is that the UK would be treated as a country outside the EU and single market, and we are. A renegotiation would need to take place on the basis of the UK being more closely aligned, which was apparently beyond one of the red lines.0 -
I was referring to ddraver's description "We are talking significant businesses" - assume he's not talking 1 or 2 man bands here, but big operators with resources.surrey_commuter said:
surely many of these could be very small businesses with the boss/owner juggling many different functions, surely it is conceivable that he just listened to the mood music and believed the headlines and thought that access would be the same as before. There can be very few people with experience of what life was like before the Single Market.yorkshireraw said:
Whilst I think Brexit is a very bad idea that has subsequently been managed very badly, by bad people for bad reasons (vs. the common good) - any business that had a reasonable amount of EU trade would, one would expect, have taken some interest in how to manage things after Jan 1. It's not like it's not been in the news for 4.5 years. Bizarre.ddraver said:To give you some idea we're increasingly getting calls from people who haven't registered with customs, haven't registered for EORI numbers etc etc who expect us to make all the customs procedures disappear for them. We are talking significant businesses
What do you want us to do about it?
Welkom to de Brexit sir, I'm sorry
It is staggering how many farmers/fishermen understood that they were shutting themselves out of the "fresh" market and would be operating in the globally competitive and less lucrative "frozen" market. But then why should they understand the vagaries of international trade and be able to spot who is lying to them.
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? All of the UK WAS part of the EU. I'm not sure I understand your point - are you talking about NI?pblakeney said:
It is quite possible that a significant amount of businesses had not considered a part of the UK to suddenly effectively become part of the EU.yorkshireraw said:
Whilst I think Brexit is a very bad idea that has subsequently been managed very badly, by bad people for bad reasons (vs. the common good) - any business that had a reasonable amount of EU trade would, one would expect, have taken some interest in how to manage things after Jan 1. It's not like it's not been in the news for 4.5 years. Bizarre.ddraver said:To give you some idea we're increasingly getting calls from people who haven't registered with customs, haven't registered for EORI numbers etc etc who expect us to make all the customs procedures disappear for them. We are talking significant businesses
What do you want us to do about it?
Welkom to de Brexit sir, I'm sorry0 -
You're not a fan of more choice?john80 said:
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly0 -
Do they actually have stuff made in the UK? (genuine q, I wasn't sure)ddraver said:Is there a happy medium between Endura and Rapha?
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rick_chasey said:
You're not a fan of more choice?john80 said:
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly
I think he's saying you should be more like the bloke who had the wrong leg amputated and should look on the loss as being a positive thing, or at least be happy that you've got one leg left.0 -
Fairly sure all endura kit is made in scotland.yorkshireraw said:
Do they actually have stuff made in the UK? (genuine q, I wasn't sure)ddraver said:Is there a happy medium between Endura and Rapha?
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Thought it might be. Pretty sure Rapha stuff is from outside UK.rick_chasey said:
Fairly sure all endura kit is made in scotland.yorkshireraw said:
Do they actually have stuff made in the UK? (genuine q, I wasn't sure)ddraver said:Is there a happy medium between Endura and Rapha?
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Certainly some of the la Passione pads in the past were from the same manufacturer rapha used.yorkshireraw said:
Thought it might be. Pretty sure Rapha stuff is from outside UK.rick_chasey said:
Fairly sure all endura kit is made in scotland.yorkshireraw said:
Do they actually have stuff made in the UK? (genuine q, I wasn't sure)ddraver said:Is there a happy medium between Endura and Rapha?
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In 2015 after announcing the referendum annual growth slowed by 0.5%, that equates to £10bn a yearjohn80 said:
Can you accept you and others lack perspective.surrey_commuter said:
So you accept that in the corner of the market we know best there has been a reduction in choice and a jump in costs.john80 said:
Would you say it stopped you riding a bike, buying the equipment to do so or going on that cycling holiday. If it has then list out how for us all to analyse. If it has cost you a tenner or you can't get a specific bit of lycra then maybe get a sense of perspective.surrey_commuter said:
So overall would you say Brexit is good for the cycling community?john80 said:
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly
Now if you replicate this across the entire economy do you start to see the negative impact of Brexit?
Year 2 is £10bn + £10bn
Year 3 is £10bn + £10bn + £10bn
Year 4 is £10bn + £10bn + £10bn + £10bn
Year 5 is £10bn + £10bn + £10bn + £10bn + £10bn
Add all that up and you get the total (approximate) cost of Brexit so far.
Now do you want to talk about perspective?
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You have me confused with somebody else as I have listened with interest to your non-economic reasons for wanting to leave the EU.john80 said:
My response was to someone asking what the benefits are. At no point did he ask what are the economic benefits. We all know there will not likely be an overall GDP benefit. However you have form in concluding that all the benefits that are not quantifiable in economic terms are meaningless. Unfortunately a large.percentage of the electorate differ to you and your world view.surrey_commuter said:john80 said:
Like all things you will need to wait a few years to see any significant benefits. I expect most on here will regard them as insignificant compared to a GDP comparison between the UK number and a forecast.elbowloh said:Ok, but where are the benefits?
Why do you think Farage and co never pointed to the economic benefits?
Why do you think the Leave campaign could never roll out experts to argue for the benefits of leaving?
Given the two points above why do you think you can see overall benefits to leaving that they can not?
What I don’t understand and argue with you about is when you defend Brexit on economic terms.0 -
Thing is, if this is what the fishermen are saying, who were one of the main forces behind Brexit, what makes Brexiters think that this govt were honest about anything else?
They said no border in the Irish Sea etc etc0 -
That would be a terrible outcome, but part of me thinks: "Well, if you were stupid enough to buy into in this band of liars in the first place...."rick_chasey said:
Thing is, if this is what the fishermen are saying, who were one of the main forces behind Brexit, what makes Brexiters think that this govt were honest about anything else?
They said no border in the Irish Sea etc etc
A footnote to that story about the woman facing a 40% hike in her Euro clothes, Seems it's not just effecting the individual consumer.
It appears retailers are faced with the enticing prospect of having to burn a growing mountain of returned goods, as it is less expensive that the cost of returning them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757931
About 30% of items bought online are returned, according to figures from Statista. That has meant large volumes of goods are heading back to the UK.
What a great Brexit boost for UK retailers this is.
Still, everything will be fine and dandy about half a century from now."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Precisely, N.I. This is the area in which DDraver works and was referring to.yorkshireraw said:
? All of the UK WAS part of the EU. I'm not sure I understand your point - are you talking about NI?pblakeney said:
It is quite possible that a significant amount of businesses had not considered a part of the UK to suddenly effectively become part of the EU.yorkshireraw said:
Whilst I think Brexit is a very bad idea that has subsequently been managed very badly, by bad people for bad reasons (vs. the common good) - any business that had a reasonable amount of EU trade would, one would expect, have taken some interest in how to manage things after Jan 1. It's not like it's not been in the news for 4.5 years. Bizarre.ddraver said:To give you some idea we're increasingly getting calls from people who haven't registered with customs, haven't registered for EORI numbers etc etc who expect us to make all the customs procedures disappear for them. We are talking significant businesses
What do you want us to do about it?
Welkom to de Brexit sir, I'm sorryThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's not. Last jersey I got was made in Spain.rick_chasey said:
Fairly sure all endura kit is made in scotland.yorkshireraw said:
Do they actually have stuff made in the UK? (genuine q, I wasn't sure)ddraver said:Is there a happy medium between Endura and Rapha?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I've no idea but they probably have a distribution hub.yorkshireraw said:
Do they actually have stuff made in the UK? (genuine q, I wasn't sure)ddraver said:Is there a happy medium between Endura and Rapha?
God knows what Rapha calls a warehouse... it'll be a Service Course won't it 🙄We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I presume Amazon will still manage to sell everything from Luxembourg whilst also managing to dodge import duties.0
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There you go!pblakeney said:
It's not. Last jersey I got was made in Spain.rick_chasey said:
Fairly sure all endura kit is made in scotland.yorkshireraw said:
Do they actually have stuff made in the UK? (genuine q, I wasn't sure)ddraver said:Is there a happy medium between Endura and Rapha?
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Can't a Brompton be turned into a racing bike or an MTB?
Easily solved!0 -
That Rose Bikes story isn't 'news' as it was announced weeks ago.rick_chasey said:
Your twatterer needs to keep up!
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I think this deserves adding to the bingo listrick_chasey said:Ah it’s less true then?
I never liked (X) anyway
I've already got loads of (X) so I don't care if the price goes up
Actually (X) is bad for the environment so it's good we can't get it now
Lol remainers are unhappy so this is a good thing
This is a great opportunity for us to make (X) in the UK!
Something about how the EU is bad
They took my sandwich!
This downside doesn't count because we already know about it- Genesis Croix de Fer
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many of these people I see as being mugged off but in this case a quick Google suggests that Mr Perkes has been a very vocal champion of Brexit. When the consequences of a hard brexit were put to hinm he dismissed it as "a load of old tosh"rick_chasey said:
Thing is, if this is what the fishermen are saying, who were one of the main forces behind Brexit, what makes Brexiters think that this govt were honest about anything else?
They said no border in the Irish Sea etc etc
Dawn in Brixham, Southwestern, England, one of Britain's key fishing ports, and daily trading is under way.
Brixham Market has Britain's biggest fish sales. Ian Perkes, who exports to Europe, is reaping the benefits of the Brexit vote. Since then, sterling, the British currency, has weakened by 12 percent.
Perkes buys fish in British pounds and sells in euros. But there have been dire warnings that if Britain leaves the tariff-free European Union without a deal in a so-called hard Brexit, fish will end up rotting on the dockside.
Ian Perkes:
A load of old tosh. There is never going to be any fish left on the dock. Every fish here for the last 30 years is sold. Nothing is ever left. There'll be no fish left rotting on the dock, I can assure you of that.
I think business will continue, and we will thrive, which is why I voted out.0 -
Story behind the "deal"
Ft article unpaywalled for me at the moment but thread takes you through all of it anywayWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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do you not think that it is easiest for us to analyse the impact of Brexit on the UK cycling community?Dorset_Boy said:
That Rose Bikes story isn't 'news' as it was announced weeks ago.rick_chasey said:
Your twatterer needs to keep up!
So far it seems to have had a negative impact on choice and a upwards pressure on prices.
Feel free to add Brexit related good news stories for consumers and or manufacturers and retailers.0 -
Someone will be along in a minute to tell us it's all nonsense and bike shop owners are idiots who don't know what they are talking about.rick_chasey said:0 -
In the video he also talks about a better future for him and his family. No consideration of the wider implications despite the stream of evidence that overall UK population would be disadvantaged - and as you say he dismissed every counter-argument and believed (because it suited him) the rubbish on the big red bus.surrey_commuter said:
many of these people I see as being mugged off but in this case a quick Google suggests that Mr Perkes has been a very vocal champion of Brexit. When the consequences of a hard brexit were put to hinm he dismissed it as "a load of old tosh"rick_chasey said:
Thing is, if this is what the fishermen are saying, who were one of the main forces behind Brexit, what makes Brexiters think that this govt were honest about anything else?
They said no border in the Irish Sea etc etc
Dawn in Brixham, Southwestern, England, one of Britain's key fishing ports, and daily trading is under way.
Brixham Market has Britain's biggest fish sales. Ian Perkes, who exports to Europe, is reaping the benefits of the Brexit vote. Since then, sterling, the British currency, has weakened by 12 percent.
Perkes buys fish in British pounds and sells in euros. But there have been dire warnings that if Britain leaves the tariff-free European Union without a deal in a so-called hard Brexit, fish will end up rotting on the dockside.
Ian Perkes:
A load of old tosh. There is never going to be any fish left on the dock. Every fish here for the last 30 years is sold. Nothing is ever left. There'll be no fish left rotting on the dock, I can assure you of that.
I think business will continue, and we will thrive, which is why I voted out.
I feel for the employees in the industry and those regions that will struggle given their location and lack of alternative industry. F him personally tho.0 -
It was Twattered and reposted on here as if it was new news when in fact Rose made the decision and announced it pre-Christmas I believe. There was even a BR thread on it at the time.surrey_commuter said:
do you not think that it is easiest for us to analyse the impact of Brexit on the UK cycling community?Dorset_Boy said:
That Rose Bikes story isn't 'news' as it was announced weeks ago.rick_chasey said:
Your twatterer needs to keep up!
So far it seems to have had a negative impact on choice and a upwards pressure on prices.
Feel free to add Brexit related good news stories for consumers and or manufacturers and retailers.
Why reguritate old news if there are plenty of incidences of new bad news?0
