BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I have experience of this. Broke my arm when I was 14 and needed pins and wires. When I went to have those taken out, they started to put me under and where wheeling me to theatre...focuszing723 said:
Surgeons are much more intelligent than that. They 'check' with the patient it's the correct limb, then they draw a nice big arrow on it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I don't need to persuade anyone, just pointing out the reality which some seem to think they can reverse without the benefit of a time machine. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference.briantrumpet said:
Eloquent, moi?
You could try that approach as an error-prone surgeon, with your chit-chat.
Patient: "But you've sawn off the wrong leg! I told you it was the other one!!"
Surgeon Stevo: "Bit late for that now".
I'm sure they'd be happy after that.
Doc: "Just going to check, it's the left arm isn't it?"
Me:" no, no, it's the right...."
Doc writes "this one" with a big blacker marker pen on my arm.0 -
If I can put in terms that you might have a chance of understanding, what you've never had you won't miss.surrey_commuter said:
You’re talking bollox, you know your talking bollox, I know you are talking bollox and you know that I know that you’re talking bollox.Stevo_666 said:
Nope, just being logical.surrey_commuter said:
You are strangeStevo_666 said:
Remember my point about not having an alternative reality where we never left to compare to? As I've said before, you will never know the difference.surrey_commuter said:
that is what a 0.5% pa drop in GDP growth looks like, all totally insignificant but as the years pile up it becomes a massive holejohn80 said:
They are just not losing out to any significant level.rick_chasey said:
UK consumers are losing out because the same things are now costing more.Stevo_666 said:Part of the adjustment process I guess - it will become the norm soon.
In the end it is just a different way of making sure that VAT gets charged once on a sale so that UK suppliers are not disadvantaged compared to overseas suppliers and has been the case for non-EU imports for a long time.
Other issues may well make a bigger difference than this.
Anyway bit late for these arguments anyway, even if they were new.
So why do it?
Now stop pretending that you don't understand, its really not that difficult to grasp.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It wasn't a mistake, it was a democratic decision. If you want to get the 'I told you so' t-shirt printed up, do go ahead but spare us the poor analogies.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I don't need to persuade anyone, just pointing out the reality which some seem to think they can reverse without the benefit of a time machine. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference.briantrumpet said:
Eloquent, moi?
You could try that approach as an error-prone surgeon, with your chit-chat.
Patient: "But you've sawn off the wrong leg! I told you it was the other one!!"
Surgeon Stevo: "Bit late for that now".
I'm sure they'd be happy after that."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
If I can put in terms that you might have a chance of understanding, what you've never had you won't miss.
So if your pension fund went up in smoke, you'd not complain?0 -
Too late, as I said. Concentrate on what you can make a difference to, otherwise you just sound like a whinger. I'm sure you're not really and this is just your Cake Stop personapangolin said:"No sense discussing it really"
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I get why the points being made with relevance to this thread, but in reality, yeah, you have to make do with the realistic options you have.
I can't go to a restaurant. That option has been taken away because of Covid, but I can eat a decent meal at home.
Isn't that just life?0 -
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focuszing723 said:
Surgeons are much more intelligent than that. They 'check' with the patient it's the correct limb, then they draw a nice big arrow on it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I don't need to persuade anyone, just pointing out the reality which some seem to think they can reverse without the benefit of a time machine. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference.briantrumpet said:
Eloquent, moi?
You could try that approach as an error-prone surgeon, with your chit-chat.
Patient: "But you've sawn off the wrong leg! I told you it was the other one!!"
Surgeon Stevo: "Bit late for that now".
I'm sure they'd be happy after that.
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Who do you think:)kingstongraham said:focuszing723 said:
Surgeons are much more intelligent than that. They 'check' with the patient it's the correct limb, then they draw a nice big arrow on it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I don't need to persuade anyone, just pointing out the reality which some seem to think they can reverse without the benefit of a time machine. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference.briantrumpet said:
Eloquent, moi?
You could try that approach as an error-prone surgeon, with your chit-chat.
Patient: "But you've sawn off the wrong leg! I told you it was the other one!!"
Surgeon Stevo: "Bit late for that now".
I'm sure they'd be happy after that.0 -
Once again I suspect if Jeremy Corbyn had made a "logical" decision to stop Rick buying La Passione kit you could've seen Steven's apoplexy from space...elbowloh said:
I have experience of this. Broke my arm when I was 14 and needed pins and wires. When I went to have those taken out, they started to put me under and where wheeling me to theatre...
Doc: "Just going to check, it's the left arm isn't it?"
Me:" no, no, it's the right...."
Doc writes "this one" with a big blacker marker pen on my arm.
Cos Covid had delayed the operation (plus the strong pain killers they'd given me pre-emptively), when I had my ACL reconstructed they asked me to do this and I couldn't remember!
It didn't help that I'd forgotten I'd performed surgery on the same knee myself with the edge of a ski the previous year so I already had a scar on the 'bad' knee that confused the nurse (who could only speak Swiss German) a bit...
😳We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver said:
Once again I suspect if Jeremy Corbyn had made a "logical" decision to stop Rick buying La Passione kit you could've seen Steven's apoplexy from space...
Thank goodness Stevo prevented that, and put in this class act with an 80-seat majority, so all the glory will be theirs, and theirs alone.1 -
As for the 'what's the point?' question, we've only been at it 3 weeks and already the Scottish fishing industry is protesting outside Parliament. I think pressure to improve on the current deal will build and build.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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My response was to someone asking what the benefits are. At no point did he ask what are the economic benefits. We all know there will not likely be an overall GDP benefit. However you have form in concluding that all the benefits that are not quantifiable in economic terms are meaningless. Unfortunately a large.percentage of the electorate differ to you and your world view.surrey_commuter said:john80 said:
Like all things you will need to wait a few years to see any significant benefits. I expect most on here will regard them as insignificant compared to a GDP comparison between the UK number and a forecast.elbowloh said:Ok, but where are the benefits?
Why do you think Farage and co never pointed to the economic benefits?
Why do you think the Leave campaign could never roll out experts to argue for the benefits of leaving?
Given the two points above why do you think you can see overall benefits to leaving that they can not?0 -
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly0 -
Surely it would be better to point out to them that these problems are a feature of the trade deal rather than a bug...rjsterry said:As for the 'what's the point?' question, we've only been at it 3 weeks and already the Scottish fishing industry is protesting outside Parliament. I think pressure to improve on the current deal will build and build.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Well they can certainly sit those industries down and point out they are not miracle workers. Highlight the negotiation will be based on quota access and for access to market and ask them if they want to work with the government and minimise the short term pain or go all in a cede to countries such as Frances demands. I would personally hope they were not so dim to take the second option. All the while French customs officials question the colour of ink and the location of the stamp do you ever wonder why they do that.rjsterry said:As for the 'what's the point?' question, we've only been at it 3 weeks and already the Scottish fishing industry is protesting outside Parliament. I think pressure to improve on the current deal will build and build.
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So overall would you say Brexit is good for the cycling community?john80 said:
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly0 -
😁 It's always someone else's fault isn't it. The fish industry is just the first to make their views known. There will be more as it dawns on people how thin and unambitious the deal is.john80 said:
Well they can certainly sit those industries down and point out they are not miracle workers. Highlight the negotiation will be based on quota access and for access to market and ask them if they want to work with the government and minimise the short term pain or go all in a cede to countries such as Frances demands. I would personally hope they were not so dim to take the second option. All the while French customs officials question the colour of ink and the location of the stamp do you ever wonder why they do that.rjsterry said:As for the 'what's the point?' question, we've only been at it 3 weeks and already the Scottish fishing industry is protesting outside Parliament. I think pressure to improve on the current deal will build and build.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Would you say it stopped you riding a bike, buying the equipment to do so or going on that cycling holiday. If it has then list out how for us all to analyse. If it has cost you a tenner or you can't get a specific bit of lycra then maybe get a sense of perspective.surrey_commuter said:
So overall would you say Brexit is good for the cycling community?john80 said:
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly0 -
That's 55 words more than you needed. A simple "no" would have sufficed.john80 said:
Would you say it stopped you riding a bike, buying the equipment to do so or going on that cycling holiday. If it has then list out how for us all to analyse. If it has cost you a tenner or you can't get a specific bit of lycra then maybe get a sense of perspective.surrey_commuter said:
So overall would you say Brexit is good for the cycling community?john80 said:
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly
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Can someone remind me of all the non-economic positives that have been listed please? I have:
1. It allows us to apply a points based immigration system to the entire world rather than having to exempt anyone from the EU (the number of UK residents benefitting from this right in other EU countries apparently being negligible)
2. We're doing a better job with the Covid vaccine by being able to get the trials done more quickly and buy our own stocks (a very good thing but hopefully a bit of a one off and something no-one would have even thought of when voting to leave).
I've accepted we are where we are and we need to make the best of it as there's no way we'll be rejoining in my lifetime (certainly not with all those veto rights we had or such favourable terms). However, I'm still struggling to see anything like a case for why it has been worth all the anger, division and loss of the benefits of being a member despite having never really big a big supporter of the EU before the referendum. I do wonder what, if anything, it would take for those who voted leave to admit it was a mistake.0 -
So you accept that in the corner of the market we know best there has been a reduction in choice and a jump in costs.john80 said:
Would you say it stopped you riding a bike, buying the equipment to do so or going on that cycling holiday. If it has then list out how for us all to analyse. If it has cost you a tenner or you can't get a specific bit of lycra then maybe get a sense of perspective.surrey_commuter said:
So overall would you say Brexit is good for the cycling community?john80 said:
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly
Now if you replicate this across the entire economy do you start to see the negative impact of Brexit?1 -
I said previously that the British public will measure Brexit by the length of the lorry queue at Dover.
Oh that Gove is a smart fvcker
And yes I know he has not fixed the problem but he has hidden it away0 -
CEO of HMRC told the public accts committee that British Businesses will spend £7.5bn a year processing customs forms.
Interestingly that is close to the net cost of our annual membership1 -
Can you accept you and others lack perspective.surrey_commuter said:
So you accept that in the corner of the market we know best there has been a reduction in choice and a jump in costs.john80 said:
Would you say it stopped you riding a bike, buying the equipment to do so or going on that cycling holiday. If it has then list out how for us all to analyse. If it has cost you a tenner or you can't get a specific bit of lycra then maybe get a sense of perspective.surrey_commuter said:
So overall would you say Brexit is good for the cycling community?john80 said:
Where is the meme of a spoilt child laying down in the aisle of a supermarket when we need one.rick_chasey said:
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly
Now if you replicate this across the entire economy do you start to see the negative impact of Brexit?0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930
The deal is satisfactory enough to bring battery production to UK. Imagine the government got behind battery manufacture. They can do this in a way that would not have been permitted under EU rules on government support. Flame away.0 -
That is incredible.surrey_commuter said:CEO of HMRC told the public accts committee that British Businesses will spend £7.5bn a year processing customs forms.
Interestingly that is close to the net cost of our annual membership0 -
😂 Brandon Lewis on QT explaining how great it is for NI to have access to the EU Single Market. 😂1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
EV production has a specific provisions within the agreement. I don't think we have the freedom you think we have.john80 said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930
The deal is satisfactory enough to bring battery production to UK. Imagine the government got behind battery manufacture. They can do this in a way that would not have been permitted under EU rules on government support. Flame away.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Read the whole report. It isn't rosy.john80 said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930
The deal is satisfactory enough to bring battery production to UK. Imagine the government got behind battery manufacture. They can do this in a way that would not have been permitted under EU rules on government support. Flame away.
#winning
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
