BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Just tell them I said so.ddraver said:
If you can think of a customer relations friendly way of saying that, let me know...Stevo_666 said:
Not sure how significant businesses managed to miss that sort of thing unless they are incompetent. It was pretty clear to my group some time ago and the advisors were all banging the drum, plus HMRC themselves were prompting their 'customers'. Plus Brexit was hardly off the news for 4 years. I lost count of how many times the same stuff was repeated from multiple sources.ddraver said:To give you some idea we're increasingly getting calls from people who haven't registered with customs, haven't registered for EORI numbers etc etc who expect us to make all the customs procedures disappear for them. We are talking significant businesses
What do you want us to do about it?
Welkom to de Brexit sir, I'm sorry
A classic case of PPPPP?
I have some sympathy for you as quite honestly there is very little excuse for a sizeable business which is used to doing criss border sales to be in that position given what I said above."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
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Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
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that is what a 0.5% pa drop in GDP growth looks like, all totally insignificant but as the years pile up it becomes a massive holejohn80 said:
They are just not losing out to any significant level.rick_chasey said:
UK consumers are losing out because the same things are now costing more.Stevo_666 said:Part of the adjustment process I guess - it will become the norm soon.
In the end it is just a different way of making sure that VAT gets charged once on a sale so that UK suppliers are not disadvantaged compared to overseas suppliers and has been the case for non-EU imports for a long time.2 -
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If we are talking about the GB/NI border then did businesses have all of the facts in advance? what did the massive players like the supermarkets miss?ddraver said:
If you can think of a customer relations friendly way of saying that, let me know...Stevo_666 said:
Not sure how significant businesses managed to miss that sort of thing unless they are incompetent. It was pretty clear to my group some time ago and the advisors were all banging the drum, plus HMRC themselves were prompting their 'customers'. Plus Brexit was hardly off the news for 4 years. I lost count of how many times the same stuff was repeated from multiple sources.ddraver said:To give you some idea we're increasingly getting calls from people who haven't registered with customs, haven't registered for EORI numbers etc etc who expect us to make all the customs procedures disappear for them. We are talking significant businesses
What do you want us to do about it?
Welkom to de Brexit sir, I'm sorry
A classic case of PPPPP?0 -
Pretty specific instance but you know that don't yourick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.0 -
Is a guy buying a product form a supplier based in the EU a great gdp boost for the UK as this is the specific example given of how the consumer has lost out.surrey_commuter said:
that is what a 0.5% pa drop in GDP growth looks like, all totally insignificant but as the years pile up it becomes a massive holejohn80 said:
They are just not losing out to any significant level.rick_chasey said:
UK consumers are losing out because the same things are now costing more.Stevo_666 said:Part of the adjustment process I guess - it will become the norm soon.
In the end it is just a different way of making sure that VAT gets charged once on a sale so that UK suppliers are not disadvantaged compared to overseas suppliers and has been the case for non-EU imports for a long time.0 -
Ok, but where are the benefits?0
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The "massive players like the supermarkets" have got an easement for 3 (or 6?) months so they haven't started the fun yet. Parcel Operators have one till end of March etc.surrey_commuter said:
If we are talking about the GB/NI border then did businesses have all of the facts in advance? what did the massive players like the supermarkets miss?ddraver said:
If you can think of a customer relations friendly way of saying that, let me know...Stevo_666 said:
Not sure how significant businesses managed to miss that sort of thing unless they are incompetent. It was pretty clear to my group some time ago and the advisors were all banging the drum, plus HMRC themselves were prompting their 'customers'. Plus Brexit was hardly off the news for 4 years. I lost count of how many times the same stuff was repeated from multiple sources.ddraver said:To give you some idea we're increasingly getting calls from people who haven't registered with customs, haven't registered for EORI numbers etc etc who expect us to make all the customs procedures disappear for them. We are talking significant businesses
What do you want us to do about it?
Welkom to de Brexit sir, I'm sorry
A classic case of PPPPP?
Rumours abound that the more prepared companies stockpiled to last through January so the fun is about to really start soon...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Trade is two wayjohn80 said:
Is a guy buying a product form a supplier based in the EU a great gdp boost for the UK as this is the specific example given of how the consumer has lost out.surrey_commuter said:
that is what a 0.5% pa drop in GDP growth looks like, all totally insignificant but as the years pile up it becomes a massive holejohn80 said:
They are just not losing out to any significant level.rick_chasey said:
UK consumers are losing out because the same things are now costing more.Stevo_666 said:Part of the adjustment process I guess - it will become the norm soon.
In the end it is just a different way of making sure that VAT gets charged once on a sale so that UK suppliers are not disadvantaged compared to overseas suppliers and has been the case for non-EU imports for a long time.1 -
john80 said:
Like all things you will need to wait a few years to see any significant benefits. I expect most on here will regard them as insignificant compared to a GDP comparison between the UK number and a forecast.elbowloh said:Ok, but where are the benefits?
Why do you think Farage and co never pointed to the economic benefits?
Why do you think the Leave campaign could never roll out experts to argue for the benefits of leaving?
Given the two points above why do you think you can see overall benefits to leaving that they can not?0 -
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Remember my point about not having an alternative reality where we never left to compare to? As I've said before, you will never know the difference.surrey_commuter said:
that is what a 0.5% pa drop in GDP growth looks like, all totally insignificant but as the years pile up it becomes a massive holejohn80 said:
They are just not losing out to any significant level.rick_chasey said:
UK consumers are losing out because the same things are now costing more.Stevo_666 said:Part of the adjustment process I guess - it will become the norm soon.
In the end it is just a different way of making sure that VAT gets charged once on a sale so that UK suppliers are not disadvantaged compared to overseas suppliers and has been the case for non-EU imports for a long time.
Other issues may well make a bigger difference than this."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
He thinks he does, but hasn't shopped around to check.john80 said:
Pretty specific instance but you know that don't yourick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You are strangeStevo_666 said:
Remember my point about not having an alternative reality where we never left to compare to? As I've said before, you will never know the difference.surrey_commuter said:
that is what a 0.5% pa drop in GDP growth looks like, all totally insignificant but as the years pile up it becomes a massive holejohn80 said:
They are just not losing out to any significant level.rick_chasey said:
UK consumers are losing out because the same things are now costing more.Stevo_666 said:Part of the adjustment process I guess - it will become the norm soon.
In the end it is just a different way of making sure that VAT gets charged once on a sale so that UK suppliers are not disadvantaged compared to overseas suppliers and has been the case for non-EU imports for a long time.
Other issues may well make a bigger difference than this.0 -
Nope, just being logical.surrey_commuter said:
You are strangeStevo_666 said:
Remember my point about not having an alternative reality where we never left to compare to? As I've said before, you will never know the difference.surrey_commuter said:
that is what a 0.5% pa drop in GDP growth looks like, all totally insignificant but as the years pile up it becomes a massive holejohn80 said:
They are just not losing out to any significant level.rick_chasey said:
UK consumers are losing out because the same things are now costing more.Stevo_666 said:Part of the adjustment process I guess - it will become the norm soon.
In the end it is just a different way of making sure that VAT gets charged once on a sale so that UK suppliers are not disadvantaged compared to overseas suppliers and has been the case for non-EU imports for a long time.
Other issues may well make a bigger difference than this.
Anyway bit late for these arguments anyway, even if they were new."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't need to persuade anyone, just pointing out the reality which some seem to think they can reverse without the benefit of a time machine. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference.briantrumpet said:
Eloquent, moi?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You’re talking bollox, you know your talking bollox, I know you are talking bollox and you know that I know that you’re talking bollox.Stevo_666 said:
Nope, just being logical.surrey_commuter said:
You are strangeStevo_666 said:
Remember my point about not having an alternative reality where we never left to compare to? As I've said before, you will never know the difference.surrey_commuter said:
that is what a 0.5% pa drop in GDP growth looks like, all totally insignificant but as the years pile up it becomes a massive holejohn80 said:
They are just not losing out to any significant level.rick_chasey said:
UK consumers are losing out because the same things are now costing more.Stevo_666 said:Part of the adjustment process I guess - it will become the norm soon.
In the end it is just a different way of making sure that VAT gets charged once on a sale so that UK suppliers are not disadvantaged compared to overseas suppliers and has been the case for non-EU imports for a long time.
Other issues may well make a bigger difference than this.
Anyway bit late for these arguments anyway, even if they were new.
So why do it?0 -
But I want their kit, not another brand?Stevo_666 said:
If you want to demonstrate that you have lost out, answering my question about whether you have looked at other suppliers might give your point a bit of credibilityrick_chasey said:
Lol no I have. I’m illustrating how the consumer, in this instance me, has lost out.Stevo_666 said:
Nor have you mine.rick_chasey said:
Not sure you’re getting the point here Stevo.Stevo_666 said:
Have you tried other suppliers, say UK based ones?rick_chasey said:
Well, since it's a cycling forum, and their new ambassador is Tom Boonen, of all people.Stevo_666 said:
For those that import things themselves, I think we have seen some of this. However you are siezing on a short term issue which applies in specific situations, as mentioned.pangolin said:"Consumers aren't worse off"
"Consumers are worse off due to additional charges but don't worry that's probably short term"
Blink and you'd miss it.
Personally I haven't noticed any price rises of anything that I've bought this month. Have you?
https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/customer-care
Amongst the other changes: Returns will be entrusted to DHL. No returns will be accepted unless previously requested as such and, given the above-mentioned changes, the company is required to produce and provide all the necessary documents, including custom invoice ( £5 management fee ).
Which is a pain for an online-only cycling clothing shop - fit is important and so therefore returns are too.
I know what fits me and when it does lapassione fits perfectly0 -
Stevo_666 said:
I don't need to persuade anyone, just pointing out the reality which some seem to think they can reverse without the benefit of a time machine. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference.briantrumpet said:
Eloquent, moi?
You could try that approach as an error-prone surgeon, with your chit-chat.
Patient: "But you've sawn off the wrong leg! I told you it was the other one!!"
Surgeon Stevo: "Bit late for that now".
I'm sure they'd be happy after that.0 -
"No sense discussing it really"
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Surgeons are much more intelligent than that. They 'check' with the patient it's the correct limb, then they draw a nice big arrow on it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I don't need to persuade anyone, just pointing out the reality which some seem to think they can reverse without the benefit of a time machine. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference.briantrumpet said:
Eloquent, moi?
You could try that approach as an error-prone surgeon, with your chit-chat.
Patient: "But you've sawn off the wrong leg! I told you it was the other one!!"
Surgeon Stevo: "Bit late for that now".
I'm sure they'd be happy after that.0 -
This rang a bell so a quick Google and...focuszing723 said:
Surgeons are much more intelligent than that. They 'check' with the patient it's the correct limb, then they draw a nice big arrow on it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I don't need to persuade anyone, just pointing out the reality which some seem to think they can reverse without the benefit of a time machine. Personally, I haven't noticed any difference.briantrumpet said:
Eloquent, moi?
You could try that approach as an error-prone surgeon, with your chit-chat.
Patient: "But you've sawn off the wrong leg! I told you it was the other one!!"
Surgeon Stevo: "Bit late for that now".
I'm sure they'd be happy after that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/632856.stmThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
