BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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The first time I watched that I was genuinely unsure whether it was real or satire.surrey_commuter said:
I was about to suggest he would fit in well with the Brexiteers on here.rick_chasey said:
It also ties in with the freedom of speech debate as to whether this sort of utter censored should be allowed to keep on lying to the poorly educated foot soldiers that he persuaded to destroy their own livelihoods?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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See it as the right wing equivalent of well off middle class lefties telling working class people what’s best for them.surrey_commuter said:
I was about to suggest he would fit in well with the Brexiteers on here.rick_chasey said:
It also ties in with the freedom of speech debate as to whether this sort of utter censored should be allowed to keep on lying to the poorly educated foot soldiers that he persuaded to destroy their own livelihoods?
It’s well off right wing people telling industries that they don’t understand what’s destroying their own industry.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
I was about to suggest he would fit in well with the Brexiteers on here.rick_chasey said:
It also ties in with the freedom of speech debate as to whether this sort of utter censored should be allowed to keep on lying to the poorly educated foot soldiers that he persuaded to destroy their own livelihoods?
This seems to be straight out of the Trump/Republican playbook: state something on Twitter so demonstrably untrue, just to play to the diehard believers/base (I assume). If there's something I'm nostalgic about, it's politicians at least having enough sense of honour that they'd not put on record something so stupid and dishonest.0 -
Should I know who he is?0
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For me Farage and JRM Havel hated the EU all of their lives and to some extent have dedicated their careers to Brexit.rjsterry said:
Intrigued by your distinction. Farage has segued from Brexit to faux libertarianism with barely a moment's pause. JRM is as much a performance piece as Johnson.surrey_commuter said:Does anybody else find it grimly fascinating to watch the impact of wrenching ourselves out of the SM/CU. It had been part of every day life for so long that it had become part of life allowing small businesses of buy and sell across the EU as easily as they could within the UK.
We were blithely told that the rest of the world trade with the EU and so shall we. Maybe it is time that we study how they trade with the EU and maybe advise the likes of the ubiquitous Mr Perkes how to transform his business.
Yes our economy will adapt but businesses will die, people will lose income and jobs. Consumers will have less choice and higher prices.
If you believe in the efficiency of the market then you believe that the previous way of doing things was the most efficient.
I feel most sorry for small businesses who voted Remain who will see their livelihoods destroyed.
I don’t have an axe to grind with thee true believers like Rees Mogg and Farage but if the charlatans like Boris we’re strung up I would not shed a tear.
Boris just saw it as a short term vehicle for his own ends
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rick_chasey said:
From someone who used to be at The Telegraph, that's not optimistic.0 -
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rick_chasey said:
Very good thread if you take the time to read it
Do you think Telegraph readers will?
EDIT - well, apart from me...0 -
No.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Very good thread if you take the time to read it
Do you think Telegraph readers will?
EDIT - well, apart from me...
A) he’s an FT man now
B.) I posted the thread so very low chance the Brexiters here will read it.0 -
A consistent theme of reporting out of Westminster are ministers asking around for different areas to go hunting for benefits within the new agreement.
Sunak asked the City and 250 business leaders to come up with new proposals.
Whitehall has been asked to see what they can get out of the small amount of flex in labour market regulation.
It smacks, to me anyway, of no vision for the future. “Getting Brexit done” was not the means but the end itself and now it’s on others to try and make a success of it.
Very frustrating. It would be easier to swallow if there was a clear strategy and plan.
If they had practical, measurable and achievable objectives beyond Brexit, it would be different.
Now we have all these barriers and restrictions for what tangible benefit?0 -
It's very weird. Andrew Neil uses Twitter a lot, but there's literally not been a single mention of Brexit for days, despite his trumpeting its benefits just three weeks ago. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9105037/Yes-Britain-spring-ANDREW-NEIL-gives-uplifting-vision-post-Brexit-boom.html
Why could that be? 🤔0 -
He stopped his regular (usually incorrect) Sweden covid numbers updates late last year, too.briantrumpet said:It's very weird. Andrew Neil uses Twitter a lot, but there's literally not been a single mention of Brexit for days, despite his trumpeting its benefits just three weeks ago. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9105037/Yes-Britain-spring-ANDREW-NEIL-gives-uplifting-vision-post-Brexit-boom.html
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The Times gives it the big page 35 splash.briantrumpet said:Hahahaha. All's well in Telegraph land... not a single article about the impact of Brexit in today's paper. No wonder its readers think everything's going swimmingly.
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kingstongraham said:
The Times gives it the big page 35 splash.briantrumpet said:Hahahaha. All's well in Telegraph land... not a single article about the impact of Brexit in today's paper. No wonder its readers think everything's going swimmingly.
Maybe if they all take the "A bit late for that" approach, and don't mention it much or at all, it'll just go away.0 -
Brexit isn’t a Westminster bubble story anymore.
It’s happening in the ops parts of businesses all over the place, so journos aren’t set up to pick them up so easily.0 -
As the thread’s designated reader of articles that you post I have to say is very well written and in depth analysisrick_chasey said:
It does seem to subscribe to the theory that “fvck business” was the mask slipping.
This is the problem with big state socialists getting hold of the keys1 -
I’m waiting for sturmey archers 13 speed hub gear to be announced. That’ll be a Brexit bonus.1
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Some of us posted it a day earlier you know!rick_chasey said:
B.) I posted the thread so very low chance the Brexiters here will read it.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Rick expressing his green credentials again.........................,
once more recyling old stories!
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Not just cyclists getting caught with supply issues. Nikon aren't taking any new orders from the UK anymore and are making the reason very clear.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Even if The Telegraph can't bring itself to cover it, CNN is:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/23/business/brexit-business-intl-gbr/index.html
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I find the NI situation a bit odd.
Suunto are adding a day to UK orders other than NI but won’t take NI orders at all.
I would have thought NI orders would be easier from mainland Eu than GB ones.
Is the best of worlds in NI actually worst of both worlds as businesses are unclear what applies. Or is there a genuine reason why NI is a bigger problem to ship to from Eu?0 -
It’s a weird one to be sure.ddraver said:I had this conversation with a caller yesterday. I genuinely don't think people have realised that yet, morstar...
I dont think the parcel routes that go from FR:IE:NI have been set up yet.
I’d assume that it is possible to securely ship through mainland gb though to NI and handle customs at destination irrespective of countries travelled through.
Lots of land freight travels through multiple countries.
I can see why routes via IE appeal and will be established but it shouldn’t be a show stopper.0 -
It's hardly a theory any more.surrey_commuter said:
As the thread’s designated reader of articles that you post I have to say is very well written and in depth analysisrick_chasey said:
It does seem to subscribe to the theory that “fvck business” was the mask slipping.
This is the problem with big state socialists getting hold of the keys1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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For Post I think you're right. I think that is a teething problem as it were.
The thing you're mostly talking about there is transit though and while it's well established, it's an administrative and logistical pain in the ass tho, and again doesn't really apply to groupage loads.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Groupage, and rules of origin - it is almost as if we did not know what we were doing. Or our glorious leader just wanted to declare success, but not appreciating that the end of this project was not Dec 31st.ddraver said:For Post I think you're right. I think that is a teething problem as it were.
The thing you're mostly talking about there is transit though and while it's well established, it's an administrative and logistical pain in the censored tho, and again doesn't really apply to groupage loads.0 -
You read that thread, yes? It was just an ideological push for whatever minimal FTA would allow them to claim freedom from EU law and to hell with the consequences. Not so much f*** business as who gives a f*** about business.surrey_commuter said:
Groupage, and rules of origin - it is almost as if we did not know what we were doing. Or our glorious leader just wanted to declare success, but not appreciating that the end of this project was not Dec 31st.ddraver said:For Post I think you're right. I think that is a teething problem as it were.
The thing you're mostly talking about there is transit though and while it's well established, it's an administrative and logistical pain in the censored tho, and again doesn't really apply to groupage loads.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry said:
You read that thread, yes? It was just an ideological push for whatever minimal FTA would allow them to claim freedom from EU law and to hell with the consequences. Not so much f*** business as who gives a f*** about business.surrey_commuter said:
Groupage, and rules of origin - it is almost as if we did not know what we were doing. Or our glorious leader just wanted to declare success, but not appreciating that the end of this project was not Dec 31st.ddraver said:For Post I think you're right. I think that is a teething problem as it were.
The thing you're mostly talking about there is transit though and while it's well established, it's an administrative and logistical pain in the censored tho, and again doesn't really apply to groupage loads.
Please, don't bother our Dear Leader with trivial details like, er, how TF any of this is actually going to work...0
