Handbuilt wheels... the big thread

marin_maniac

RoubaixMB wrote:

I assume these are a mass produced in the far east rim, but does anyone know which ones?

http://ridefullgas.com/dm8-elite-series ... 650g-pair/

Those graphics are nice.

cycleclinic

Campag red pads are excellent. Used them in italy at the weekend, it was wet in siena, and on the steep downs there was no issue brakkng with these pads.i destoryed a set mind on those white roads and put visible wear on the front rim with the grinding paste that coated everything.

Although the red pads dont work as well on every rim but they will be great on campag wheels.

apreading

I love Siena - possibly my favourite place in the world for a cycling holiday! Wide rims with bigger volume tyres were a huge plus on the White roads there.

itboffin

thecycleclinic wrote:

Campag red pads are excellent. Used them in italy at the weekend, it was wet in siena, and on the steep downs there was no issue brakkng with these pads.i destoryed a set mind on those white roads and put visible wear on the front rim with the grinding paste that coated everything.

Although the red pads dont work as well on every rim but they will be great on campag wheels.

Red? are those new or the same as the salmon wet pads?

Rigga

No time to read the whole thread but has anyone had any dealings with jra wheels?
http://www.justridingalong.com/wheels/j ... 0-455.html

apreading

Rigga wrote:

No time to read the whole thread but has anyone had any dealings with jra wheels?
http://www.justridingalong.com/wheels/j ... 0-455.html

Not the Jawbones but they handbuild some Archetype rims onto American Classic disc hubs for me - fantastic wheels for several thousand miles until a taxi mangled them... Always had quick and helpful communications from them.

cycleclinic

Kool stop salmon pads are for alloy brake tracks. campag red pads are for carbon brake tracks. These pads at least on my rims work very well in the wet allowing me to brake contrably on the strada bianca course while it was pissing with rain. given Campagnolo make these pads specifically for there own rims then if you have BORA's use nothing else.

Brake track resin composition though seems to have some impact on which pads work best with a particular rim.

Rigga

apreading wrote:

Rigga wrote:

No time to read the whole thread but has anyone had any dealings with jra wheels?
http://www.justridingalong.com/wheels/j ... 0-455.html

Not the Jawbones but they handbuild some Archetype rims onto American Classic disc hubs for me - fantastic wheels for several thousand miles until a taxi mangled them... Always had quick and helpful communications from them.

Good to know thanks.

onyourright

What do we all think of the new Mavic Open Pro rims? One for disc brakes, one with a machined alloy brake surface, and one with Mavic’s fancy Exalith surface. All light (Bikeradar claiming 420 g which is maybe optimistic) and 19 mm internal width. But no 36-spoke option, apparently.

ugo.santalucia

OnYourRight wrote:

What do we all think of the new Mavic Open Pro rims? One for disc brakes, one with a machined alloy brake surface, and one with Mavic’s fancy Exalith surface. All light (Bikeradar claiming 420 g which is maybe optimistic) and 19 mm internal width. But no 36-spoke option, apparently.

It's all so new that it's not even in the catalogue... in principle it's great... about time Mavic made a rim for the 21st century. If it was tubeless compatible, then it's the golden ticket and I'll probably get a pair for myself.

onyourright

It is tubeless compatible.

The price is unknown and that may turn out to be a problem. Looks like the rims are heavily machined to leave thick metal around the spoke holes and thin metal elsewhere.

ugo.santalucia

OnYourRight wrote:

It is tubeless compatible.

The price is unknown and that may turn out to be a problem. Looks like the rims are heavily machined to leave thick metal around the spoke holes and thin metal elsewhere.

I'm sold... in autumn my wheels will have done over 20,000 miles and might well treat myself to a pair of Hope hubs and these rims...

cycleclinic

I am looking forward to these as well.

ugo.santalucia

thecycleclinic wrote:

I am looking forward to these as well.

The Exalith will be hugely popular... gonna be the new Archetype...

mrb123

ugo.santalucia wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

I am looking forward to these as well.

The Exalith will be hugely popular... gonna be the new Archetype...

Any predictions on price?

ugo.santalucia

MrB123 wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

I am looking forward to these as well.

The Exalith will be hugely popular... gonna be the new Archetype...

Any predictions on price?

At a guess I'd say 70 for the normal 85 for the disc and 110 for the Exalith... however, this would be my pre Brexit price... if the pound was to go lower, you can adjust accordingly

mrb123

ugo.santalucia wrote:

MrB123 wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

I am looking forward to these as well.

The Exalith will be hugely popular... gonna be the new Archetype...

Any predictions on price?

At a guess I'd say 70 for the normal 85 for the disc and 110 for the Exalith... however, this would be my pre Brexit price... if the pound was to go lower, you can adjust accordingly

Is there any good reason why the disc versions should be more expensive than the rim brake ones? Seems to be the way of things, for example the H Plus Son Hydras seem to be pricier than the Archetypes.

From an uneducated perspective one would think it would require more engineering and manufacturing complexity to include a brake track into a rim.

cycleclinic

The hyrda isa wider lighter rim and likely to be a more difficult extrusion.

ugo.santalucia

Price is what people will pay for... disc rims are more expensive as they are perceived to be worth more money

AircraftHandler1979

I have been looking Chinese carbon wheels from Velobuild. Has anyone had any dealings with these as they look very cheap and to good to be true.

ugo.santalucia

AircraftHandler1979 wrote:

I have been looking Chinese carbon wheels from Velobuild. Has anyone had any dealings with these as they look very cheap and to good to be true.

they probably are then

dstev55

Does anyone have any thoughts on the new Hope RS4 hubs?

I think I've finally settled on the rims I would like but still unsure on hubs. They are offered along side Dura Ace (bit more money), DT Swiss 240's (bit more again) and Chris King (bit more again). Sitting here scratching my head to be honest.

matt_n-2

The current Open Pro is rrp £48 but easily available for less, I picked up one a few months ago for about £35 off Chain Reaction.

To go to £70 rrp would be a big jump and push it over the rrp of the Archetype (£65 currently).

ugo.santalucia

Matt_N wrote:

The current Open Pro is rrp £48 but easily available for less, I picked up one a few months ago for about £35 off Chain Reaction.

To go to £70 rrp would be a big jump and push it over the rrp of the Archetype (£65 currently).

Yet, it will be around that price point, I would think. Making it cheaper won't sell more of them, so no point

ugo.santalucia

I was slightly wrong... 70 Euro for normal and disc, but a whopping 170 for the Exalith
I overestimated the cost of the disc and underestimated the Exalith... pretty much bang on for the normal... 8)

timothyw

Blimey. You could probably get it gold plated for less.

onyourright

This Exalith stuff is normally called Keronite, and people in the know seem to think it’s a big deal. However, that is a serious premium to pay for the treatment.

mrb123

So the disc rim looks pretty competitive compared to the Hydras and Pacenti Forzas. Should be a big seller.

As for the Exalith, that's a bit disappointing. I reckon at £120 or so they'd have been massively popular. Going to need to show some pretty big benefits to justify that price.

ugo.santalucia

170 is expensive, however...

1) It's still a lot less than a decent carbon rim and even less than most chinese carbon rims. There is nothing special about carbon, whereas here we have an allegedly superior brake track

2) If in view of the exalith coating it lasts twice as long as the normal version, then including re-rimming you break even with the normal version and you still enjoy superior braking.

I think it still makes sense, because you are buying a superior product... it's not a case of diminishing returns, you are genuinely paying more for something better, rather than paying more for a brand logo or to save 3 grams

mrb123

And let's be honest, the fact that they are hopefully black and will stay black is going to be a major attraction for a lot of people, probably myself included. The old Archetypes never look quite as good once that black brake track has disappeared!