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  • bikes`n`guns
    bikes`n`guns Posts: 959
    Lovely looking wheels.

    Was on the phone to them this morning. Am going to go the race 30 with dura ace hubs route I think.
    Trek,,,, too cool for school ,, apparently
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Bikes`n`guns wrote:
    Lovely looking wheels.

    Was on the phone to them this morning. Am going to go the race 30 with dura ace hubs route I think.

    Good choice. DA Hubs are splendid.
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  • bikes`n`guns
    bikes`n`guns Posts: 959
    The other choice was DT240s but have decided the extra few grammes involved in a coupla extra spokes is worth it.

    He talks about 1500gr wheels as if they are heavy :) They should be up to the roads round here with no issues as well.
    Trek,,,, too cool for school ,, apparently
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Bikes`n`guns wrote:
    The other choice was DT240s but have decided the extra few grammes involved in a coupla extra spokes is worth it.

    He talks about 1500gr wheels as if they are heavy :) They should be up to the roads round here with no issues as well.

    DT are great too. But DA are fantastic.

    Looking forward to seeing pics.
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  • MBCaad8
    MBCaad8 Posts: 127
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Just had a quick blast on them. Rapid!
    Stiff. Weight not too bad (1697g) considering the (wonderful) PMP hubs have their own gravity field they're that heavy.

    C55C2AB0-5F1A-4963-A290-0786F3C46371_zps190hyvgw.jpg

    Could you tell me what the frame is please?
  • reme-luke
    reme-luke Posts: 122
    Have a look in the your road bike section. Nap D has a built thread in there.
  • MBCaad8
    MBCaad8 Posts: 127
    reme-luke wrote:
    Have a look in the your road bike section. Nap D has a built thread in there.

    Thank you, and sorry for being too lazy to look.
  • reme-luke
    reme-luke Posts: 122
    Haha no worries I couldn't remember what the frame was called and I was also too lazy to look! :D
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    What are the rims recommended for those of us who aren't interested in going tubeless and would prefer to get tyres on and off without a struggle ? If there aren't any left which tubeless compatible rims are the least awkward to get tyres on, and, more specifically, off ?
    Smarter than the average bear.
  • mercia_man
    mercia_man Posts: 1,431
    Archetypes and Schwalbe Ones. Easiest combination I've ever used.
  • annoyingtwit
    annoyingtwit Posts: 127
    edited March 2016
    Hi all. In a fit of exuberance after doing some technical bits and bobs, I bid on a 32H Shimano 105 front hub on ebay and won it. I now need to choose a rim and spokes and attempt my first wheel build. I thought of using halo non-double butted spokes as I probably need strength over lightness and don't want to spend too much in case I fail at the task. Choosing a rim is tricky. I prefer using 23c tyres as they seem to work. Two not too expensive rims are the Rigida Chrina 700c rim, or the Mavic CXP22 rims. Both seem to be available on wheels that cost more than my entire singlespeed bike did. The wheels on my bike (Viking Trekking Fixie - older model with 'Zoom' components) at the moment are the stock ones and they look to be poor quality.

    I've read that there are cracking problems with the CXP22s, and that while the Rigida wheels seem to have a reputation for being stronger, it may be difficult to put tyres on them. I think I might go with the Rigida rim and stretch the bead of the tyre by putting them on a few times without a tube to stretch them before putting them on for real. A Weinmann DP18 rim might be an option, but I can't seem to find where to buy them in the UK. Just noticed someone singing the praises of Exal XR2 rims. http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php ... 0s116p1567 Tempting. EDIT: Oh hell, Mavic Open Sport rims. More choice - more analysis paralysis.

    Any advice on rims would be appreciated. I have a spoke key and normal bike tools, but I don't have a wheel building frame. I was hoping to use the forks of my bike upturned in order to build the wheel. If I get the wheel somewhere in the ballpark but not straight enough, I'd take it to a bike shop to have it finished. Even if I decided that building wheels was not for me, if I became better at truing wheels, that would be worth the cost and effort of trying to build one.

    If my first wheel build is successful, I could easily see myself building three more over time to replace all wheels on my bikes.
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    Mercia Man wrote:
    Archetypes and Schwalbe Ones. Easiest combination I've ever used.
    Thanks, goood to know.
    Smarter than the average bear.
  • glasgowbhoy
    glasgowbhoy Posts: 1,341
    Looking for another set of training wheels (clinchers). Ugo set me up with a set of Archetypes 20/24 on Miche Primato hubs last year or was it 2014 for me and they have been great as a summer training wheel which I'll continue to use on one of my bikes.
    I've been looking around at factory and handbuilds again but for all the looking I can't seem to see anything that looks and probably performs as well as the combo above for the price. I'd be looking at another £250 for Fucrum Zero and Mavic with bling Exalith is ridiculous money!
    Is there a better wheel/hub combo in a 20/24 I should consider?
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    Looking for another set of training wheels (clinchers). Ugo set me up with a set of Archetypes 20/24 on Miche Primato hubs last year or was it 2014 for me and they have been great as a summer training wheel which I'll continue to use on one of my bikes.
    I've been looking around at factory and handbuilds again but for all the looking I can't seem to see anything that looks and probably performs as well as the combo above for the price. I'd be looking at another £250 for Fucrum Zero and Mavic with bling Exalith is ridiculous money!
    Is there a better wheel/hub combo in a 20/24 I should consider?

    If it ain't broke...
  • trek_dan
    trek_dan Posts: 1,366
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    Looking for another set of training wheels (clinchers). Ugo set me up with a set of Archetypes 20/24 on Miche Primato hubs last year or was it 2014 for me and they have been great as a summer training wheel which I'll continue to use on one of my bikes.
    I've been looking around at factory and handbuilds again but for all the looking I can't seem to see anything that looks and probably performs as well as the combo above for the price. I'd be looking at another £250 for Fucrum Zero and Mavic with bling Exalith is ridiculous money!
    Is there a better wheel/hub combo in a 20/24 I should consider?
    Pacenti SL23 is a great rim, extremely difficult to get tyres on and off if you want to run clinchers though. Apart from being a dusting lighter I wouldn't say they are 'better' than Archetypes.
    New Spin Koppenberg SL looks like an excellent wheelset on paper if you want factory wheels though. Claimed weight at sub 1400g for a 25mm wide rim looks appealing.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    Looking for another set of training wheels (clinchers). Ugo set me up with a set of Archetypes 20/24 on Miche Primato hubs last year or was it 2014 for me and they have been great as a summer training wheel which I'll continue to use on one of my bikes.

    May the 3rd 2014
    left the forum March 2023
  • glasgowbhoy
    glasgowbhoy Posts: 1,341
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    Looking for another set of training wheels (clinchers). Ugo set me up with a set of Archetypes 20/24 on Miche Primato hubs last year or was it 2014 for me and they have been great as a summer training wheel which I'll continue to use on one of my bikes.

    May the 3rd 2014

    How time flys.......

    Any input Ugo? I there any better bang for the buck?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    Looking for another set of training wheels (clinchers). Ugo set me up with a set of Archetypes 20/24 on Miche Primato hubs last year or was it 2014 for me and they have been great as a summer training wheel which I'll continue to use on one of my bikes.

    May the 3rd 2014

    How time flys.......

    Any input Ugo? I there any better bang for the buck?

    Not unless you do massively hilly rides... in which case you might be able to get something 300 grams lighter, but at a cost of course.
    For training wheels it's not worth going the carbon route, so m'fraid there is nothing really better.
    left the forum March 2023
  • glasgowbhoy
    glasgowbhoy Posts: 1,341
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    Looking for another set of training wheels (clinchers). Ugo set me up with a set of Archetypes 20/24 on Miche Primato hubs last year or was it 2014 for me and they have been great as a summer training wheel which I'll continue to use on one of my bikes.

    May the 3rd 2014

    How time flys.......

    Any input Ugo? I there any better bang for the buck?

    Not unless you do massively hilly rides... in which case you might be able to get something 300 grams lighter, but at a cost of course.
    For training wheels it's not worth going the carbon route, so m'fraid there is nothing really better.

    Cheers Ugo , just out of interest what would those lighter rims or hubs be?
    I will probably be in touch soon !
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    Cheers Ugo , just out of interest what would those lighter rims or hubs be?
    I will probably be in touch soon !

    I don't build wheels anymore... other than for myself... :D

    I was referring to packaged wheelsets, like the Zero or the Mavic you mentioned. The Neutron are very nice wheels too, with the usual factory wheels limitations. For light handbuilts ask The Cycle Clinic, he's more up to date with the market
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  • glasgowbhoy
    glasgowbhoy Posts: 1,341
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Glasgowbhoy wrote:
    Cheers Ugo , just out of interest what would those lighter rims or hubs be?
    I will probably be in touch soon !

    I don't build wheels anymore... other than for myself... :D

    I was referring to packaged wheelsets, like the Zero or the Mavic you mentioned. The Neutron are very nice wheels too, with the usual factory wheels limitations. For light handbuilts ask The Cycle Clinic, he's more up to date with the market

    Cheers thanks anyway.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    glasgow boy light does not have to mean 20F/24R. For example the Ryde Pulse Sprint rim is very light for a clincher but a 28 spoke rear and 24 spoke front is perfect. Under 1400g is easy.

    Even the new Pacenti SL23 is better done in a 28 spoke rear (I currently dont offer a 24 spoke rear as I dont think the v2 rim is stiff enough). tyre fitting though is not extremely difficult. Use stans tape and the V2 rim and it is very doable.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • jrich
    jrich Posts: 278
    Can anyone recommend a rim that's 24 hole + wide + polished silver??

    I had my heart set on H Plus Son Archetypes until I realised they only go down to 28h in polished silver - damn!!!! (My powertap is 24h)

    Anything similar to the Archetype but with 24h?
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Velocity A23 will be one of the few available.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    Anyone know the best/ cheapest place to get a set of powertap wheels built up with a 23mm wide clincher rim?
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Google perhaps and get on the blower. There are wheel builders who chargeca tenner for labour but dobtgey do a good job who knows. Thirty quid is the going rate plus parts.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Camcycle1974
    Camcycle1974 Posts: 1,356
    Anyone know if Archetypes can be run with tubeless tires? They appear to be "tubeless friendly" whatever that means. I tend to run 28mm tires so by dropping pressure would the Archetypes be suitable for running tubeless?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Camcycle1974 wrote:
    Anyone know if Archetypes can be run with tubeless tires? They appear to be "tubeless friendly" whatever that means. I tend to run 28mm tires so by dropping pressure would the Archetypes be suitable for running tubeless?
    yes
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  • Camcycle1974
    Camcycle1974 Posts: 1,356
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Camcycle1974 wrote:
    Anyone know if Archetypes can be run with tubeless tires? They appear to be "tubeless friendly" whatever that means. I tend to run 28mm tires so by dropping pressure would the Archetypes be suitable for running tubeless?
    yes

    Thanks.
  • dazz_ni45
    dazz_ni45 Posts: 468
    I'm after a little bit of advice from the resident experts

    I'm looking for a set of handbuilt wheels primarily for fast training runs and occasional club races (when I don't want to use my Reynolds Assaults). I had though about the a set of Kysrium Elites but prefer the comfort/serviceability/repairability of handbuilts but I do want to stick around this price point (under £400).

    I am going to opt for Miche hubs and my main query is whether to go for the Archetype or the Pacenti SL23 V2 rim.

    I'm not sure whether I will run the wheels tubeless or tubed and already have a set of the SL23 V1 which I do run tubeless but mounting tyres was an absolute pig. I appreciate the V2 is supposed to be easier to mount tyres, but is there any real world experience of using tubes and tyres with this rim?

    From a performance perspective, I'm aware that the Sl23 is a stiff rim but in real terms will I notice any significant difference in performance between the Archetype and SL23? Built with either 20F/28R or 24F/28R (I'm about 78kg) the Archtetypes seem to be around 1700g and the SL23's around 1500g so I'm swaying toward the SL23.

    I will probably be running them with 23c tyres as I have clearance issues on one of the bikes they will be used on.

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