Handbuilt wheels... the big thread

thepeginator

trek_dan wrote:

Anybody built a set of the new(ish) Kinlin XR22T? What are they like for fitting clincher tyres to?

http://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collections ... r-wheelset

Malcolm (thecycleclinic) uses them. Sure he'll be along with an answer soon!

My tuppence is that all tubeless rims will be a bit more tricky than standard (non-tubeless) clincher rims. There's a well in the centre of the rim and you have to make sure you keep the bead in the well as you work round the tyre or you'll never get the last bit on the rim. It's a little different from fitting normal clincher rims but you get used to it fairly quickly. The main thing to be careful of is pinching the tube if you are using clincher tyres as the tyres will be tighter than normal.

cycleclinic

The XR22t is genuinley one of the better rims out there at the moment. For the price it is hard to fault it. If it where twice the price with a fancy label on it it would hard to fault it. But it is not twice the price.

given the lack of supply of Dt swiss R460's the expense of the Pacenti SL23 and the fact the XR22t is also available as an offset rim I can't think of a reason not to use it. Some people do find tyre fitting a bit tricky but thin rim tape can help and better technique. Managed to push tubeless tyres onto a set a couple of days ago with my hands O.K I was indoors and it was fairly warm but normal clinchers are not as tight so it should not be a problem either.

The archetype is fine as a rim. There still needs to be a tubular version (they already do niche so why not another one for me) and there needs to be an offset version too.

Oh and it not tubeless compatible rims that are the problem with tyres. Try mounting a challange strada bianca onto an archetype rim (that is very hard) but onto a velocity aileron well that is so easy. There are always combination that are hard.

thepeginator

Here's one for you Malcom, I've got a set of Cero AR30's, which are cracking wheels but the rims are very narrow. I *think* the rim might be one made by Kinlin as it looks very simelar. (https://www.cycledivision.co.uk/cero-ar ... elset-6538)

Do you think it could be re-rimmed with a Kinlin XT31T?

bendertherobot

thecycleclinic wrote:

The XR22t is genuinley one of the better rims out there at the moment. For the price it is hard to fault it. If it where twice the price with a fancy label on it it would hard to fault it. But it is not twice the price.

given the lack of supply of Dt swiss R460's the expense of the Pacenti SL23 and the fact the XR22t is also available as an offset rim I can't think of a reason not to use it. Some people do find tyre fitting a bit tricky but thin rim tape can help and better technique. Managed to push tubeless tyres onto a set a couple of days ago with my hands O.K I was indoors and it was fairly warm but normal clinchers are not as tight so it should not be a problem either.

The archetype is fine as a rim. There still needs to be a tubular version (they already do niche so why not another one for me) and there needs to be an offset version too.

Oh and it not tubeless compatible rims that are the problem with tyres. Try mounting a challange strada bianca onto an archetype rim (that is very hard) but onto a velocity aileron well that is so easy. There are always combination that are hard.

I'm glad you confirmed that. I suffered terribly with the Strada Bianca. Blew off the rim on fitting, then on my commute. Could not get them to sit at all. Not just me then!

neeb

(Sorry if this question is answered somewhere above..)

Are there any wide profile, alloy, 28H clincher rims that are lighter than Archetypes but build into a similarly stiff wheel? Not worried about depth other than as a contribution towards stiffness.

Would be good if they were close enough to the archetypes in width to allow wheel swapping without brake adjustment.

I have a set of wheels built with Archetypes and really like them, but they are not particularly light.

mrb123

neeb wrote:

(Sorry if this question is answered somewhere above..)

Are there any wide profile, alloy, 28H clincher rims that are lighter than Archetypes but build into a similarly stiff wheel? Not worried about depth other than as a contribution towards stiffness.

Would be good if they were close enough to the archetypes in width to allow wheel swapping without brake adjustment.

I have a set of wheels built with Archetypes and really like them, but they are not particularly light.

Ryde Pulse?

neeb

MrB123 wrote:

neeb wrote:

(Sorry if this question is answered somewhere above..)

Are there any wide profile, alloy, 28H clincher rims that are lighter than Archetypes but build into a similarly stiff wheel? Not worried about depth other than as a contribution towards stiffness.

Would be good if they were close enough to the archetypes in width to allow wheel swapping without brake adjustment.

I have a set of wheels built with Archetypes and really like them, but they are not particularly light.

Ryde Pulse?

Yup, the Pulse Comp looks very good. I'd need to be convinced about the stiffness of the Pulse Sprint, also it isn't that wide (although perhaps the internal width is OK because of the thin sidewalls?)

The comp seems to have 23mm width at the front and 22 at the rear.

I've also now seen that DCR do his/their own rim (DCR 23mm), which looks comparable to the pulse Comp.

cycleclinic

The pulse sprint is a stiff rim. Not quite sure how ryde have done it but they have.

neeb

thecycleclinic wrote:

The pulse sprint is a stiff rim. Not quite sure how ryde have done it but they have.

Good to know, thanks.

cycleclinic

Kinlin xr 22t as well neeb and the pacenti sl23 are similarlystiffand lighter too. Lots of choice depending how much money you want to spend.

chadders81

Pulled the trigger on some Tune Mig/Mag hubs with PMP rims from an LBS here in Hong Kong. 24/28 with DT Swiss Comps. Should come in under 1400g.

Pretty old school in that they're not a narrow rim and won't go accept tubeless, but decent hubs can always be laced to a wider rim when I don't have the clearance issues of my current frame.

Now - how to get the matching Tune skewers bought without the wife noticing.

apreading

I wonder if I can get some general advice about repairability of a wheel after a crash. I was knocked off my bike when hit by a vehicle - the bike is FUBAR with a twisted frame etc. The wheels are also both bent. Its not obvious when looking at them but when you spin them there is about an inch of movement from side to side. So at the very least they need a rebuild and new spokes. The question is whether you think they should have a new rim too? I know that the wheelbuilder probably needs to see them to be sure but what is the likelihood? I probably cant get them to a builder for a while.

cycleclinic

Yes you can. A 28 spoke rear with the v2 rim cx ray spokes and dt swiss hubs does not not meet my lateral stiffness standards for what is a wheel for racing.

Value for money it is not either either hubs and rims like never are but that is not the point.

Apreading. I hope you are fine. No one can give you an answer without seeing the wheel so i wont try.

Take it to a shop that knows what they are foing and let them advise.

apreading

Thanks Malc - going to get an X-ray on shoulder today as A&E didnt bother but its not good and have been advised I should have had one...

The LBS said new wheels but they were obviously sniffing an insurance sale. If I do need new rims, what would be the best alternatives to Archetypes in 32 spoke form? I am seriously tempted to get the same again as they are nice and wide but easy to get tyres on (unlike many rims these days) and seem strong (I am 14 stone).

matt_n-2

I've recently built up a bike for crit racing this year (Colnago Dream) and currently using some spare wheels I had - Open Pro on Miche Primato 28/28.

The rims are nearing the end of their life and I'm having thoughts about re-building onto the existing hubs.

I've got two other pairs of wheels, Archetype, CX-Ray and DT240 on my Tarmac, which are lovely.

Polished Archetype, Race/Laser on silver Primato on my Master (RC2?), which are equally as lovely just heavier.

Do I go for Archetypes on the Dream aswel or another thought is that as I'll only be using it for racing, TTs and training rides for the above, get some 35ish mm U shape carbon tubular rims and build up with that?

If so, any recommendations on rims? Gigantex, Farsport etc?

thebadgerboy1982

hi all,

i fancy giving ryde rims a go for days climbing. i was looking at the pulse comp but rydes site suggests that the rim is for 25-30mm tyres. Looking at the ryde sprint, the site suggests 23-30mm. Other than the rim depth the specs look the same; internal rim width etc. my frame won't take a 25mm tyre on a wide rim. does anyone have experience of running the pulse comp with 23mm tyres? if i need to go down the sprint route how stiff are the rims in a 28 spoke hole probably with cx-rays?

cheers
ross

matt_n-2

Cool, thanks for the info.

Where would the best place to buy Gigantex, I see eBay, Aliexpress etc...

ugo.santalucia

Matt_N wrote:

Cool, thanks for the info.

Where would the best place to buy Gigantex, I see eBay, Aliexpress etc...

I bet our new friend Harry happens to have a few in stock...

ugo.santalucia

HarryCycling wrote:

With bitex hubs I can build a 35mm tubular for 1190 grams for £850. and I'm building clinchers for £900. under half the price of manufacturer reynold wheelsets.

I don't think so

https://www.merlincycles.com/reynolds-a ... 0wodstkMzw

https://www.merlincycles.com/reynolds-a ... 0wodbnAGbA

iPete

Is 28h enough spokes for a light lad (66-70kg with backpack) using a front disc brake?

Likely going for an Archetype on a Hope Pro4.

ugo.santalucia

iPete wrote:

Is 28h enough spokes for a light lad (66-70kg with backpack) using a front disc brake?

Likely going for an Archetype on a Hope Pro4.

yes.

matt_n-2

Another rim I was thinking about was the FLO 30, basic cost is ~£60 per rim, but then you have shipping, import and VAT on top. Guy in our club has some and raves about them.

ugo.santalucia

Matt_N wrote:

Another rim I was thinking about was the FLO 30, basic cost is ~£60 per rim, but then you have shipping, import and VAT on top. Guy in our club has some and raves about them.

Couple of points:
Yes, they have a marginally more aerodynamic profile than many rims of similar depth/shape, but that comes at a price: they are also heavier than any modern 23-25 mm wide rim, being on the wrong side of 500 grams.
As you mention, the hassle involved in sourcing these (hefty postage from US, import duties and such) make them totally not worth bothering IMO. You will never notice the difference between those and say a Kinlin 279.

Bear in mind the aero-industry is selling "aero-profits" in the region of a few decimals of a percentage point as if they were life changing, when in fact you would never spend more on a car because it does 0-60 mph in 8.7 seconds instead of 8.9 seconds, would you?

gimpl

Picked up my new handbuilts today:
Mavic Open Pro rims 32h
Sapim Spokes
Dura Ace Hubs

Not sure what the weight is - don't really care, they're for me and I can lose weight easier. They do look really nice though and can't wait for the weather to improve and I will start using them. Just fitted new 25mm GP 4000's II which went on ridiculously easily compared to the Giant PSL1's I'm using currently on both bikes. Maybe the fact they (PSL 1's) are tubeless ready makes a difference.

Got them from Stripes in Woburn Sands after a recommendation, John there has been building wheels for ever. Cost £515. Very happy.

napoleond

Sent off my PMP hubs on Tuesday to Wheelsmith, building me up some 60mm clinchers for multisport races. They should be arriving tomorrow.

Fast turnaround!

cycleclinic

Wheelsmith is obviously not that busy then. My queue is the thick end of 3 weeks not helped by being in hospital for a week.

The flo30 is not going to much more aero than the Kinlin XR31t well. The flo30 will probably have lower drag the higher the yaw angle gets which is not a bad thing but as for being worth the hassle probably not as ugo has said.

There is a U.K importer gor gigantex rims. They only bring in 2 tubular rims and one clincher. If you want to know more get in touch I don't buy them regularly but I do order from them several times a week.

Archetype on a colnago master would look lovely. The TB14 is the other option for a polished rim. Have you thought about the tubular ambrosio Nemesis. It think this is what the bike derverse in my mind at least.

Ryde pulse sprint rim are quite stiff. A 28 spoke rear will support a 90kg rider quite happily. Damm fine rims offset drilling for the rear as well.

Calpol

NapoleonD wrote:

Sent off my PMP hubs on Tuesday to Wheelsmith, building me up some 60mm clinchers for multisport races. They should be arriving tomorrow.

Fast turnaround!

Didn't you just sell a set of Wheelsmith 60mm clinchers?

napoleond

Calpol wrote:

NapoleonD wrote:

Sent off my PMP hubs on Tuesday to Wheelsmith, building me up some 60mm clinchers for multisport races. They should be arriving tomorrow.

Fast turnaround!

Didn't you just sell a set of Wheelsmith 60mm clinchers?

It was interesting seeing how many people didn't read the ad properly. The ones I sold were tubs. Wasn't using them as I used a trispoke and disc in TTs after the initial sporting course TTs last year. Shame as they were great but needed to find some funds for clinchers for Duathlon/Triathlon.

They arrived this morning.

Bobbinogs

oooh, they look nice!

napoleond

Just had a quick blast on them. Rapid!
Stiff. Weight not too bad (1697g) considering the (wonderful) PMP hubs have their own gravity field they're that heavy.