Handbuilt wheels... the big thread
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training wheels that are nice...
I have ridden on the superstar wheels (pacenti sl23 rims superstar hubs and laser spokes) which while cheap and cheerful are a bit flimsy
at 77kg I get a fair bit of rear spoke pinging against the derailleur when I am climbing out of the saddle on steep sections. I am guessing 24 laser spokes just arent enough?
However I am now a tubeless convert. So would like to stick with tubeless rims
I really need something soon ish and was looking at chris king r45 hubs (purely because I could get them to match my headset and bottom bracket.)
But would consider other options.
any advice appreciated. I am so busy with work at the moment that I dont have time to build them myself so would welcome any recommendations of builders in the west herts north london area.0 -
Spoke pinging against rear mech. It sounds odd as I have never had that before and I have built many 24 spoke rears with that rim and those spokes. Some one would have said something by now. Could it be your rear mech top limit screw is wound out a bit too much?
Also could the wheel be out of dish i.e offset to the DS by a small amount that could cause the problem. It will be a simple problem to fix it wont be the spoke count or the thin spokes.
The rim is stiffer than many rims used in factory wheels with fewer spokes. In fact your wheel is stiffer than many factory offerings and they dont give this problem so above are your solutions.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0 -
Get the Superstar Pacentis checked and tensioned properly by a decent wheel builder.0
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bah you lot are no fun....
I want new wheels man.0 -
You want stiff? I have just ordered Belgiums on White T11 24/28 CX-Rays from Malcolm. I expect stiffness to be present.
In spades :-)Giant Defy 2
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bah you lot are no fun....
I want new wheels man.
I love new stuff too but the SL23 is probably the best rim on the market at the moment if you're happy to run tubeless. Certainly the best ally rim I've ever used. 0 -
how much were they?You want stiff? I have just ordered Belgiums on White T11 24/28 CX-Rays from Malcolm. I expect stiffness to be present.
In spades :-)0 -
Not cheap - more expensive than my defy! they are not going on that bike though. He has options on his site at http://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collections/road-rim-brake-wheelsets/products/hanbuilt-hed-beligain-wheelset-with-white-industires-dura-ace-or-royce-hubs-tubeless-ready
Paul.Giant Defy 2
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thanks for that...Not cheap - more expensive than my defy! they are not going on that bike though. He has options on his site at http://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collections/road-rim-brake-wheelsets/products/hanbuilt-hed-beligain-wheelset-with-white-industires-dura-ace-or-royce-hubs-tubeless-ready
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Spoke pinging against rear mech. It sounds odd as I have never had that before and I have built many 24 spoke rears with that rim and those spokes. Some one would have said something by now. Could it be your rear mech top limit screw is wound out a bit too much?
Also could the wheel be out of dish i.e offset to the DS by a small amount that could cause the problem. It will be a simple problem to fix it wont be the spoke count or the thin spokes.
The rim is stiffer than many rims used in factory wheels with fewer spokes. In fact your wheel is stiffer than many factory offerings and they dont give this problem so above are your solutions.
Might also be worth checking your rear mech hanger to ensure is straight.0 -
If the hanger is out your gears will not work properly had this issue this morning after a spill or a greasy road yesterday. Rack bag hook to secure the side pag to the rack jumped off in the crash got caught in the rear wheel and yanked it out of true to add to the woes. On the way to a funeral of a fellow cyclist as well. What a day.
So get the wheels/bike checked out as this is not normal behaviour even if superstar have built them. It will be a simple problem.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0 -
Having logged my first few hundred miles on my first ever set of handbuilt wheels I'm very impressed
32 hole H Plus Son Archetype on 6800 hubs with DT Competition spokes from the spoked wheel. Only paid about £280 I think.
Bought for the CAAD 8 for wet weather and commuting duties. I'm blown away by how smooth rolling they are tbh2020 Reilly Spectre - raw titanium
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32 hole H Plus Son Archetype on 6800 hubs with DT Competition spokes from the spoked wheel. Only paid about £280 I think.
Thats the classic, best bang-for-buck, all round hand built road wheel right there. I really fail to see why people won't go for a sub ₤300 set of hand builts like these over a much more expensive set of factory wheels. OK, may be you might want 28 spokes instead of 32 but you really cant fault those wheels.WyndyMilla Massive Attack | Rourke 953 | Condor Italia 531 Pro | Boardman CX Pro | DT Swiss RR440 Tubeless Wheels
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Im looking at building up some Hplus son rims with laser spokes and tune mag170 rear / mig70 front hubs. should come in at a pretty decent weight for al clinchers. But I've heard that the tune hubs can suffer from creaking from the start or it can develop over a few hundred miles. Does anyone have experience of this? Is it still a problem?
Link here
http://superlight-bikeparts.de/Laufradsatz-Tune-Archetype-H-Plus-Son-Archetype
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Having logged my first few hundred miles on my first ever set of handbuilt wheels I'm very impressed
32 hole H Plus Son Archetype on 6800 hubs with DT Competition spokes from the spoked wheel. Only paid about £280 I think.
Bought for the CAAD 8 for wet weather and commuting duties. I'm blown away by how smooth rolling they are tbh
Can the Archtype take tubeless tyres ? and i mean without any issues of safety of tyres blowing off .
I have googled it but dont seem to get a consistant anser so maybe the wheel builders on this thread can advise yes or no.0 -
Having logged my first few hundred miles on my first ever set of handbuilt wheels I'm very impressed
32 hole H Plus Son Archetype on 6800 hubs with DT Competition spokes from the spoked wheel. Only paid about £280 I think.
Bought for the CAAD 8 for wet weather and commuting duties. I'm blown away by how smooth rolling they are tbh
Can the Archtype take tubeless tyres ? and i mean without any issues of safety of tyres blowing off .
I have googled it but dont seem to get a consistant anser so maybe the wheel builders on this thread can advise yes or no.
The tyre won't blow off, but if you lose a lot of pressure, the tyre can jump off the rim as it is not retained by the ramps, like in a tubeless rim. In practice it means that if you get latex spraying in your face whilst descending at 40 mph, you should slow down... just use common senseleft the forum March 20230 -
Having logged my first few hundred miles on my first ever set of handbuilt wheels I'm very impressed
32 hole H Plus Son Archetype on 6800 hubs with DT Competition spokes from the spoked wheel. Only paid about £280 I think.
Bought for the CAAD 8 for wet weather and commuting duties. I'm blown away by how smooth rolling they are tbh
Can the Archtype take tubeless tyres ? and i mean without any issues of safety of tyres blowing off .
I have googled it but dont seem to get a consistant anser so maybe the wheel builders on this thread can advise yes or no.
The tyre won't blow off, but if you lose a lot of pressure, the tyre can jump off the rim as it is not retained by the ramps, like in a tubeless rim. In practice it means that if you get latex spraying in your face whilst descending at 40 mph, you should slow down... just use common sense
Thanks Ugo - so the advise is really to get a true tubeless compatable rim like DT swiss r460 . I really want to give tubeless a try but need a strong stiff rim with probably 28 spoke minimum for rear which is why i asked about the Archtype.0 -
[quote="randoThanks Ugo - so the advise is really to get a true tubeless compatable rim like DT swiss r460 . I really want to give tubeless a try but need a strong stiff rim with probably 28 spoke minimum for rear which is why i asked about the Archtype.[/quote]
No, that's not the advice I gave... I said you can use Archetype, with that marginal limitation... basically if the tyre goes flat, it will behave just like a clincher... the thing is the tyre is unlikely to go flat using sealantleft the forum March 20230 -
[quote="randoThanks Ugo - so the advise is really to get a true tubeless compatable rim like DT swiss r460 . I really want to give tubeless a try but need a strong stiff rim with probably 28 spoke minimum for rear which is why i asked about the Archtype.
No, that's not the advice I gave... I said you can use Archetype, with that marginal limitation... basically if the tyre goes flat, it will behave just like a clincher... the thing is the tyre is unlikely to go flat using sealant[/quote]
I will certainly use sealant as I want as few punctures as possible while riding. I will see what I can get then for my money. Thanks again.0 -
Any comments then on these options.
Definatley want 25 mm tubeless tyres
Rims - DT Swiss r460 ( or r440 if these are ok with 25 mm tyres but thought I read r440 rims suited 23 mm tyres)
Or H Plus son archetype
Hubs - DT Swiss 350 or ultegra 6800
Spokes - presume minimum of 28 r / 24 f as my weight is 86 kg.
Wheels are for my trek domane and really need wheels for my good domane ( ride between March to October ) and my not so good winter domane . Generally do 4000 miles a year in most weathers so want some durable and stiff wheels.
Please help me decide. Thanks.0 -
Set up a few arcehtype rims with tubeless tyres and no one has reported a problem. In principle what ugo describes can happen but in practice it does n't or it happens so rarely it is not a problem.
The DT Swiss r460 is a decent enough rim but after a couple of builds with the Kinlin XR22T I prefer this. same price but it wider and a bit lighter. The DT rim weighs 485g on my scales and the Kinlin 460g. It is the 18.5mm internal width I like compared to the 17mm for the DT rim. Also availablity seems to be better.
6800 hubs are 32H or 36H only. DT swiss road hubs suffer from poor rear NDS bracing angle which is not so much of a problem with a wide stiff rim if sapim race or DT comps are used on the rear but given hubs like the Miche dont have this problem and are reliable at under half the price one wonders why not these. Ultegra hubs are great by the way.
Hope also make good hubs and if you want a light hubset and dont mind 32H drilling the the excellent Campagnolo record exists for the same money as DT Swiss 350 hubs and they a it lighter too even with a steel shimano pattern freehub body. The campagnolo freehub is alloy and therefore lighter.
24F/28R is all you actually need for spoke count but more spoke wont hurt.
RR440 rims will take tyres up to 35mm if you want them too. All this on the web that this rim is for this width tyre is nonsence. Narrower rims do not allow tyres to spread as much so wider tyre "balloon" more which effect handling a bit but CX riders have used the mavic open pro so that puts into perspective. The RR440 rim though while nice is narrower than the R460 and the Kinlin and wide rims do nice things to the tyre profile and therefore comfort and handling which is why many like me ride and build with wider rims.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0 -
thebadger boy.
If you want tune hubs which are light why pair them to a heavier rim like the archetype. To me thats a waste. You pick the archetype because you want a robust all weather wheelset not one to save grams.
For light hubs I would go with lighter rims like the Pacenti SL25 or the ryde Pulse sprint but that my opinion not your.
My experience with tune hubs is very limited but if you buy from abroad and have a warranty issue the U.K distributor Poshbikes will not want to know. I called them once about a hub purchased from abroad and that's the responce I got.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0 -
Set up a few arcehtype rims with tubeless tyres and no one has reported a problem. In principle what ugo describes can happen but in practice it does n't or it happens so rarely it is not a problem.
The DT Swiss r460 is a decent enough rim but after a couple of builds with the Kinlin XR22T I prefer this. same price but it wider and a bit lighter. The DT rim weighs 485g on my scales and the Kinlin 460g. It is the 18.5mm internal width I like compared to the 17mm for the DT rim. Also availablity seems to be better.
6800 hubs are 32H or 36H only. DT swiss road hubs suffer from poor rear NDS bracing angle which is not so much of a problem with a wide stiff rim if sapim race or DT comps are used on the rear but given hubs like the Miche dont have this problem and are reliable at under half the price one wonders why not these. Ultegra hubs are great by the way.
24F/28R is all you actually need for spoke count but more spoke wont hurt.
RR440 rims will take tyres up to 35mm if you want them too. All this on the web that this rim is for this width tyre is nonsence. Narrower rims do not allow tyres to spread as much so wider tyre "balloon" more which effect handling a bit but CX riders have used the mavic open pro so that puts into perspective. The RR440 rim though while nice is narrower than the R460 and the Kinlin and wide rims do nice things to the tyre profile and therefore comfort and handling which is why many like me ride and build with wider rims.
Thanks Cycleclinic for the reply - The Kinlin 31t also looks like it might suit my needs. Only slight issue I have is with the black gloss finish as my bike is matte black (yes i know its being picky !) So you would say a Kinlin rim with tubeless tyres and miche hubs and 24f/28r spokes would make a decent strong and stiff wheelset that will stand the UK weather.0 -
anyone used the kappius carbon disc clincher
http://www.starbike.com/en/kappius-kr-rc-road-clincher-carbon-rim/0 -
anyone used the kappius carbon disc clincher
http://www.starbike.com/en/kappius-kr-rc-road-clincher-carbon-rim/
No, but nice!left the forum March 20230 -
rando,
A wheelset for u.k autumn/winter/spring needs to be low cost. Hubs with reliable low cost to replace internals (and easy to do) - miche hub fit that bill, rims that are cheap to replace if dented or worn out the DT Swiss R460 and the kinlins fit that bill and tubeless compatible so you dont have to use gatorskin hardshells to avoid punctures. It either something like this or a very cheap Shimano RS10 or whatever they are called. Hubs get rough fairly quickly but they can solider on for a good long while. Spoke breakage can be an issue for some but by no means all.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0 -
That kappius rim does look nice! off centre too. I found these a couple a days ago. I am going to get some to try them out. Dented one of my velocity aileron rims so I am looking for an excuse to change rims.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0
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That rim looks nice. But, apart from being 50 grams lighter than Aileron and 40 grams than Pacenti SL25 , what could be the advantages? Carbon seems like a good idea with disc brake wheels but Kappius is 4x times more expensive than these two.0
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That rim looks nice. But, apart from being 50 grams lighter than Aileron and 40 grams than Pacenti SL25 , what could be the advantages? Carbon seems like a good idea with disc brake wheels but Kappius is 4x times more expensive than these two.
It's a "bigger rim" at 35 mm deep and egg shaped... most likely stiffer, which means a 24 H build might be enough for most riders, so there is extra saving there over a 28 or 32 H build. Then of course if you pedal fast there is a marginal aerodynamic advantage to bag inleft the forum March 20230 -
Thanks for educating us again and again!0
