The Irony Thread
Comments
-
Parliament banning gatherings of more than 6 people.kingstongraham said:
When there is a law saying that no gatherings of more than 6 people are allowed, is there a right to protest like this at the moment?rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I don't know how it could be allowed to start, and I don't know how it could have been prevented without making things worse. It's very messed up.
Parliament forcing all MPs to gather.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
From a distancing point of view I see little practical difference between this and the crowds on Brighton Beach - all those groups of sunbathers swearing they all lived in the same house. The credibility of any sort of meaningful enforcement has been torched by Rees Mogg and Johnson anyway.kingstongraham said:
When there is a law saying that no gatherings of more than 6 people are allowed, is there a right to protest like this at the moment?rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I don't know how it could be allowed to start, and I don't know how it could have been prevented without making things worse. It's very messed up.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I am not talking about the people protesting lawfully, I am talking about the ones who turned up to bash the police.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
0 -
You were arguing that thousands of "These people" should be given a laughable 3 minutes to disperse because a couple of dozen turned up looking for a fight.surrey_commuter said:
I am not talking about the people protesting lawfully, I am talking about the ones who turned up to bash the police.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
The journey from PM surrey_commuter to brutal dictator is quicker than most.rjsterry said:
You were arguing that thousands of "These people" should be given a laughable 3 minutes to disperse because a couple of dozen turned up looking for a fight.surrey_commuter said:
I am not talking about the people protesting lawfully, I am talking about the ones who turned up to bash the police.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.2 -
He'll be putting in an order for some extra tanks 'just in case'.TheBigBean said:
The journey from PM surrey_commuter to brutal dictator is quicker than most.rjsterry said:
You were arguing that thousands of "These people" should be given a laughable 3 minutes to disperse because a couple of dozen turned up looking for a fight.surrey_commuter said:
I am not talking about the people protesting lawfully, I am talking about the ones who turned up to bash the police.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
"Er, Sadiq - you actually scrapped those water cannons yet?"rjsterry said:
He'll be putting in an order for some extra tanks 'just in case'.TheBigBean said:
The journey from PM surrey_commuter to brutal dictator is quicker than most.rjsterry said:
You were arguing that thousands of "These people" should be given a laughable 3 minutes to disperse because a couple of dozen turned up looking for a fight.surrey_commuter said:
I am not talking about the people protesting lawfully, I am talking about the ones who turned up to bash the police.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.0 -
Why waste precious gov't money on seperate riot equipment when you could roll in existing tanks? mm?kingstongraham said:
"Er, Sadiq - you actually scrapped those water cannons yet?"rjsterry said:
He'll be putting in an order for some extra tanks 'just in case'.TheBigBean said:
The journey from PM surrey_commuter to brutal dictator is quicker than most.rjsterry said:
You were arguing that thousands of "These people" should be given a laughable 3 minutes to disperse because a couple of dozen turned up looking for a fight.surrey_commuter said:
I am not talking about the people protesting lawfully, I am talking about the ones who turned up to bash the police.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.0 -
Bizarrely I used to have a social conscience and went on protest marches. Always used to be scummers only there for a free hit at the police. If you want to sing songs about Broadwater Farm, throw bottles and bricks and run up to a WPC with her arms linked with colleagues and punch her in the face breaking her nose then you can take your beating with good grace.
And to reiterate there is a big difference between protesters and those there purely to attack the police.0 -
rjsterry said:
He'll be putting in an order for some extra tanks 'just in case'.TheBigBean said:
The journey from PM surrey_commuter to brutal dictator is quicker than most.rjsterry said:
You were arguing that thousands of "These people" should be given a laughable 3 minutes to disperse because a couple of dozen turned up looking for a fight.surrey_commuter said:
I am not talking about the people protesting lawfully, I am talking about the ones who turned up to bash the police.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
Aren't there some water cannons going cheap?0 -
Reminds me of this old saying , which still has a certain amount of truth in it:surrey_commuter said:Bizarrely I used to have a social conscience and went on protest marches. Always used to be scummers only there for a free hit at the police. If you want to sing songs about Broadwater Farm, throw bottles and bricks and run up to a WPC with her arms linked with colleagues and punch her in the face breaking her nose then you can take your beating with good grace.
And to reiterate there is a big difference between protesters and those there purely to attack the police.
https://reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/6g82rv/if_youre_not_a_socialist_at_the_age_of_20_you/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well, actually, all of them should have been arrested as they were breaching lockdown laws. A former Italian flatmate of my wife's couldn't even be with his dad when he died last month because of lockdown rules. If we're going to make exceptions for protests against a police killing in the USA then there is no point in even having the rules.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.1 -
Police officers not kneeling might have been a good start.kingstongraham said:
When there is a law saying that no gatherings of more than 6 people are allowed, is there a right to protest like this at the moment?rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I don't know how it could be allowed to start, and I don't know how it could have been prevented without making things worse. It's very messed up.1 -
This is the approach of the Spanish police: if you're in the general area you get a beating. As much as part of me wants to agree with you, far too many innocent people end up suffering. At the same time, as soon as anything started kicking off, I'd be out of there, for exactly the reasons you've giveNsurrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...0 -
Having lost my father in law three weeks ago, I raised this the other day when whotsisface went for his drive to Durham. Apparently I was being unnecessarily emotional about it and if you felt strongly about something then the rules were more guidelines. A few days later everyone went to the beach, so indeed, what is the point of having rules? It's not just about one police killing in the US either.nickice said:
Well, actually, all of them should have been arrested as they were breaching lockdown laws. A former Italian flatmate of my wife's couldn't even be with his dad when he died last month because of lockdown rules. If we're going to make exceptions for protests against a police killing in the USA then there is no point in even having the rules.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry said:
Having lost my father in law three weeks ago, I raised this the other day when whotsisface went for his drive to Durham. Apparently I was being unnecessarily emotional about it and if you felt strongly about something then the rules were more guidelines. A few days later everyone went to the beach, so indeed, what is the point of having rules? It's not just about one police killing in the US either.nickice said:
Well, actually, all of them should have been arrested as they were breaching lockdown laws. A former Italian flatmate of my wife's couldn't even be with his dad when he died last month because of lockdown rules. If we're going to make exceptions for protests against a police killing in the USA then there is no point in even having the rules.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I
Well what is it about? Because everyone says it's not just about this (and, by the way, what is the evidence it was racist? Brutal certainly and there needs to be some long jail sentences but why do we assume it's automatically racist?) and it's about police actions in general. But I get the impression that people say that every time. It doesn't help that Michael Brown's death (which from the evidence we have was entirely justified) is still used as an example of police brutality.0 -
If it was just one guy in the US, I think it is unlikely there would be several thousand people assembling in Hyde Park. As just one example, the Met were only yesterday answering questions in the London Assembly about why official figures showed that they had handed out proportionally more fines for lockdown breaches to BAME Londoners than white Londoners. Anyway, the point wasn't to get into a detailed dissection of why people are protesting around the world. If you would arrest the people in Hyde Park, why not the drunks on Brighton Beach or those who drove for hours to reach Durdle Door?nickice said:rjsterry said:
Having lost my father in law three weeks ago, I raised this the other day when whotsisface went for his drive to Durham. Apparently I was being unnecessarily emotional about it and if you felt strongly about something then the rules were more guidelines. A few days later everyone went to the beach, so indeed, what is the point of having rules? It's not just about one police killing in the US either.nickice said:
Well, actually, all of them should have been arrested as they were breaching lockdown laws. A former Italian flatmate of my wife's couldn't even be with his dad when he died last month because of lockdown rules. If we're going to make exceptions for protests against a police killing in the USA then there is no point in even having the rules.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I
Well what is it about? Because everyone says it's not just about this (and, by the way, what is the evidence it was racist? Brutal certainly and there needs to be some long jail sentences but why do we assume it's automatically racist?) and it's about police actions in general. But I get the impression that people say that every time. It doesn't help that Michael Brown's death (which from the evidence we have was entirely justified) is still used as an example of police brutality.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry said:
If it was just one guy in the US, I think it is unlikely there would be several thousand people assembling in Hyde Park. As just one example, the Met were only yesterday answering questions in the London Assembly about why official figures showed that they had handed out proportionally more fines for lockdown breaches to BAME Londoners than white Londoners. Anyway, the point wasn't to get into a detailed dissection of why people are protesting around the world. If you would arrest the people in Hyde Park, why not the drunks on Brighton Beach or those who drove for hours to reach Durdle Door?nickice said:rjsterry said:
Having lost my father in law three weeks ago, I raised this the other day when whotsisface went for his drive to Durham. Apparently I was being unnecessarily emotional about it and if you felt strongly about something then the rules were more guidelines. A few days later everyone went to the beach, so indeed, what is the point of having rules? It's not just about one police killing in the US either.nickice said:
Well, actually, all of them should have been arrested as they were breaching lockdown laws. A former Italian flatmate of my wife's couldn't even be with his dad when he died last month because of lockdown rules. If we're going to make exceptions for protests against a police killing in the USA then there is no point in even having the rules.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I
Well what is it about? Because everyone says it's not just about this (and, by the way, what is the evidence it was racist? Brutal certainly and there needs to be some long jail sentences but why do we assume it's automatically racist?) and it's about police actions in general. But I get the impression that people say that every time. It doesn't help that Michael Brown's death (which from the evidence we have was entirely justified) is still used as an example of police brutality.
You'd need to ask them. If the UK is systemically racist, I'd like to see some clear statistics showing this.
I wouldn't arrest any of them but you were arguing that there were only two arrests when, in fact, they were all breaking the rules so should have been fines or at least dispersed. Instead what do we get? Police officers kneeling. It's also interesting that people who were strongly critical of other gatherings are now silent about this.0 -
Getting asked to stop derailing one thread so moving the conversation and derailing another instead- Genesis Croix de Fer
- Dolan Tuono0 -
Who's that?nickice said:rjsterry said:
If it was just one guy in the US, I think it is unlikely there would be several thousand people assembling in Hyde Park. As just one example, the Met were only yesterday answering questions in the London Assembly about why official figures showed that they had handed out proportionally more fines for lockdown breaches to BAME Londoners than white Londoners. Anyway, the point wasn't to get into a detailed dissection of why people are protesting around the world. If you would arrest the people in Hyde Park, why not the drunks on Brighton Beach or those who drove for hours to reach Durdle Door?nickice said:rjsterry said:
Having lost my father in law three weeks ago, I raised this the other day when whotsisface went for his drive to Durham. Apparently I was being unnecessarily emotional about it and if you felt strongly about something then the rules were more guidelines. A few days later everyone went to the beach, so indeed, what is the point of having rules? It's not just about one police killing in the US either.nickice said:
Well, actually, all of them should have been arrested as they were breaching lockdown laws. A former Italian flatmate of my wife's couldn't even be with his dad when he died last month because of lockdown rules. If we're going to make exceptions for protests against a police killing in the USA then there is no point in even having the rules.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I
Well what is it about? Because everyone says it's not just about this (and, by the way, what is the evidence it was racist? Brutal certainly and there needs to be some long jail sentences but why do we assume it's automatically racist?) and it's about police actions in general. But I get the impression that people say that every time. It doesn't help that Michael Brown's death (which from the evidence we have was entirely justified) is still used as an example of police brutality.
You'd need to ask them. If the UK is systemically racist, I'd like to see some clear statistics showing this.
I wouldn't arrest any of them but you were arguing that there were only two arrests when, in fact, they were all breaking the rules so should have been fines or at least dispersed. Instead what do we get? Police officers kneeling. It's also interesting that people who were strongly critical of other gatherings are now silent about this.
No problems with officers kneeling though. Seems respectful to the issue. More with the crowd gathering.0 -
Posting silly and overly simplistic cliches in an attempt to signal your intelligence to others.Stevo_666 said:
Reminds me of this old saying , which still has a certain amount of truth in it:surrey_commuter said:Bizarrely I used to have a social conscience and went on protest marches. Always used to be scummers only there for a free hit at the police. If you want to sing songs about Broadwater Farm, throw bottles and bricks and run up to a WPC with her arms linked with colleagues and punch her in the face breaking her nose then you can take your beating with good grace.
And to reiterate there is a big difference between protesters and those there purely to attack the police.
https://reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/6g82rv/if_youre_not_a_socialist_at_the_age_of_20_you/- Genesis Croix de Fer
- Dolan Tuono0 -
The white people in the USA say they are kneeling to ask for forgiveness from the black community. Why do the British police have to do it for something that happened in the USA?kingstongraham said:
Who's that?nickice said:rjsterry said:
If it was just one guy in the US, I think it is unlikely there would be several thousand people assembling in Hyde Park. As just one example, the Met were only yesterday answering questions in the London Assembly about why official figures showed that they had handed out proportionally more fines for lockdown breaches to BAME Londoners than white Londoners. Anyway, the point wasn't to get into a detailed dissection of why people are protesting around the world. If you would arrest the people in Hyde Park, why not the drunks on Brighton Beach or those who drove for hours to reach Durdle Door?nickice said:rjsterry said:
Having lost my father in law three weeks ago, I raised this the other day when whotsisface went for his drive to Durham. Apparently I was being unnecessarily emotional about it and if you felt strongly about something then the rules were more guidelines. A few days later everyone went to the beach, so indeed, what is the point of having rules? It's not just about one police killing in the US either.nickice said:
Well, actually, all of them should have been arrested as they were breaching lockdown laws. A former Italian flatmate of my wife's couldn't even be with his dad when he died last month because of lockdown rules. If we're going to make exceptions for protests against a police killing in the USA then there is no point in even having the rules.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I
Well what is it about? Because everyone says it's not just about this (and, by the way, what is the evidence it was racist? Brutal certainly and there needs to be some long jail sentences but why do we assume it's automatically racist?) and it's about police actions in general. But I get the impression that people say that every time. It doesn't help that Michael Brown's death (which from the evidence we have was entirely justified) is still used as an example of police brutality.
You'd need to ask them. If the UK is systemically racist, I'd like to see some clear statistics showing this.
I wouldn't arrest any of them but you were arguing that there were only two arrests when, in fact, they were all breaking the rules so should have been fines or at least dispersed. Instead what do we get? Police officers kneeling. It's also interesting that people who were strongly critical of other gatherings are now silent about this.
No problems with officers kneeling though. Seems respectful to the issue. More with the crowd gathering.0 -
-
Bad day today? You seem to be missing your characteristic wit and humour.
Posting silly and overly simplistic cliches in an attempt to signal your intelligence to others.Stevo_666 said:
Reminds me of this old saying , which still has a certain amount of truth in it:surrey_commuter said:Bizarrely I used to have a social conscience and went on protest marches. Always used to be scummers only there for a free hit at the police. If you want to sing songs about Broadwater Farm, throw bottles and bricks and run up to a WPC with her arms linked with colleagues and punch her in the face breaking her nose then you can take your beating with good grace.
And to reiterate there is a big difference between protesters and those there purely to attack the police.
https://reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/6g82rv/if_youre_not_a_socialist_at_the_age_of_20_you/
Or over 40 and still a sad leftie?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
'Offended'? What institutional racism are you referring to?pangolin said:0 -
The two arrests point was in response to a couple of posts suggesting that a large part of the protest march was attacking police which was untrue. I'm afraid we'll have to do the systemic racism question another time.nickice said:rjsterry said:
If it was just one guy in the US, I think it is unlikely there would be several thousand people assembling in Hyde Park. As just one example, the Met were only yesterday answering questions in the London Assembly about why official figures showed that they had handed out proportionally more fines for lockdown breaches to BAME Londoners than white Londoners. Anyway, the point wasn't to get into a detailed dissection of why people are protesting around the world. If you would arrest the people in Hyde Park, why not the drunks on Brighton Beach or those who drove for hours to reach Durdle Door?nickice said:rjsterry said:
Having lost my father in law three weeks ago, I raised this the other day when whotsisface went for his drive to Durham. Apparently I was being unnecessarily emotional about it and if you felt strongly about something then the rules were more guidelines. A few days later everyone went to the beach, so indeed, what is the point of having rules? It's not just about one police killing in the US either.nickice said:
Well, actually, all of them should have been arrested as they were breaching lockdown laws. A former Italian flatmate of my wife's couldn't even be with his dad when he died last month because of lockdown rules. If we're going to make exceptions for protests against a police killing in the USA then there is no point in even having the rules.rjsterry said:
Nobody is saying it's OK. But let's get some perspective of the thousands who turned out yesterday just two were arrested. The "mob" was a tiny fraction: should everyone else's right to peacefully protest be curtailed because of a few idiots? Secondly, it was not just about a US cop killing somebody Minnesota as I'm sure you are aware.surrey_commuter said:
I don’t see how trying to kick the censored out of a copper in London is OK because a US cop killed somebody in Minnesota.rick_chasey said:
Erm, in context of what the protests are about and the police behaviour thus far, that seems really quite a misjudged comment.surrey_commuter said:
If you want to chuck bricks and petrol bombs at the police don't complain if you get bitten by a dog, trampled by a horse and smashed over the head.john80 said:
This is probably the course of action that most police forces in the western world are trying to avoid. Don't get me wrong this is probably standard tactics for such amazing countries such as Russia, China, or Syria but I don't fancy living in these countries or protesting.surrey_commuter said:
they should give them three mins to disperse, after which the police are allowed to do whatever they want to quell the disorder. Most will depart leaving the hardcore to battle it out with the police.coopster_the_1st said:Building relations between the community and the police by having mobs abuse, agitate and attack the police while they just stand there and bank these memories.
That will go down well in the future for them...
In fairness those hard core types tend not to complain, it is always the innocent person peacefully observing events or popping out for a pint of milk. These people just give cover to the nutters and I would give them a three minute warning to leave and stop treating it as an exciting spectator sport. The coppers are human beings doing their job and thanks to this lot a bad day could now result in them being in a hospital bed or pine box.
I
Well what is it about? Because everyone says it's not just about this (and, by the way, what is the evidence it was racist? Brutal certainly and there needs to be some long jail sentences but why do we assume it's automatically racist?) and it's about police actions in general. But I get the impression that people say that every time. It doesn't help that Michael Brown's death (which from the evidence we have was entirely justified) is still used as an example of police brutality.
You'd need to ask them. If the UK is systemically racist, I'd like to see some clear statistics showing this.
I wouldn't arrest any of them but you were arguing that there were only two arrests when, in fact, they were all breaking the rules so should have been fines or at least dispersed. Instead what do we get? Police officers kneeling. It's also interesting that people who were strongly critical of other gatherings are now silent about this.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
1
-
I don't think there's any doubt that racism exists but it was a question as to whether the UK is systemically or institutionally racist. Don't you think it looks like more of a class issue? Your average, for want of a better word, ned in parts of Scotland could probably give the same answers (well a part from the skin colour part)kingstongraham said:This might not be the place but...
0 -
I don't, no, but going to leave it.0
