TDF Stage 13: St Etiennie - Chamrousse *spoiler*

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Nibali doesn't do as well when it's balls hot so keep an eye out on that.
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  • RichN95.
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    jam1e wrote:
    For Porte's sake I'm hoping that Sky are gambling that G and Nieve are enough to help Porte for now as there's little requirement for a train to chase down an attack from Valverde etc and they're simply resting the remainder of the team for the final week before really pushing the pace. Can't see it though...
    Astana will provide the train.
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  • tailwindhome
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    RichN95 wrote:
    They mentioned this in one of the podcasts. He was picked to ride on the front all day if or when Froome was in yellow. They said Pate himself admits that he wouldn't be picked to support a Porte lead team.

    Why would he be in a Froome led team and not a Porte led team?
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    edited July 2014
    RichN95 wrote:
    They mentioned this in one of the podcasts. He was picked to ride on the front all day if or when Froome was in yellow. They said Pate himself admits that he wouldn't be picked to support a Porte lead team.

    Froome needed less help in the mountains and more protection on cobbles and lumpy stages. Tough call, but Pate may have been more useful to Froome in an emergency than Kennaugh on the terrain so far. Also they needed a flat stage engine to pull on stages when Froome was in yellow.
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  • ContrelaMontre
    ContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    Wallace and Gromit wrote:
    Isn't Pate's main quality that he isn't Wiggins?

    Who? What? Eh? Who mentioned Wiggins? :wink:

    Come to think of it he was another Sky rider who rode quite well at ToC :twisted:
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  • davidof
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Pate's role was to ride on the front for 100km on the flat and rolling stuff, and save everyone else's legs. Even the most optimistic of his fans wouldn't expect him to be helping Froome or Porte at this point of this stage.
  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    ContrelaMontre wrote:
    adr82 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    OnYourRight wrote:
    Nieve dropped?! Bit early for that, surely.
    I think it was Kiryienka. Three Sky right up the front still.
    Ah you're right I think. I saw #6 being dropped but that's Pate not Nieve (#5)

    Ah, Danny Pate picked because he showed good form at the Tour of California according to Sir Dave Brailsford.
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  • RichN95.
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    TailWindHome wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    They mentioned this in one of the podcasts. He was picked to ride on the front all day if or when Froome was in yellow. They said Pate himself admits that he wouldn't be picked to support a Porte lead team.

    Why would he be in a Froome led team and not a Porte led team?
    Because Froome is likely to get the yellow jersey early, like he did last year and Wiggins did the year before. So they need someone to ride on the front on the flats. Porte on the other hand is unlikely to lead so would benefit from more mountain guys for support.
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  • nevman
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    Nibs always seems to have 4 domestiques on the hill-Sky have thus far only had G and.....this is a hilly Tour isnt it?
    Whats the solution? Just pedal faster you baby.

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  • RichN95.
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    nevman wrote:
    Nibs always seems to have 4 domestiques on the hill-Sky have thus far only had G and.....this is a hilly Tour isnt it?
    Astana have nine riders in the race, Sky have seven (with one climber injured)
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  • bigmat
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    TailWindHome wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    They mentioned this in one of the podcasts. He was picked to ride on the front all day if or when Froome was in yellow. They said Pate himself admits that he wouldn't be picked to support a Porte lead team.

    Why would he be in a Froome led team and not a Porte led team?

    He's Froome's body double - handy for spare bike. Less good with Porte. A bit like Knees and Wiggins. To be fair, either Knees or Wiggins could have filled that role but neither are Froome's mates.
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  • rick_chasey
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    Lonely road for Bakelandts
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Scarponi... looking ugly.
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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,382
    RichN95 wrote:
    nevman wrote:
    Nibs always seems to have 4 domestiques on the hill-Sky have thus far only had G and.....this is a hilly Tour isnt it?
    Astana have nine riders in the race, Sky have seven (with one climber injured)
    And Astana are leading the race, Sky aren't.
  • stanislav
    stanislav Posts: 1,151
    Steptoe off the back
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  • rick_chasey
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    OnYourRight wrote:
    Nibali honestly doesn’t look comfortably. Then again, no-one should expect to be comfortable right now. Hard to tell. Scarponi falling off now too.

    Nibali didn’t really take that much time from Porte and the others on stage 10. Explosive burst but didn’t really go very far.

    Nibs just doesn't like the heat. Always pulls that face when he is hot.
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  • Coach H
    Coach H Posts: 1,092
    Macaloon wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    They mentioned this in one of the podcasts. He was picked to ride on the front all day if or when Froome was in yellow. They said Pate himself admits that he wouldn't be picked to support a Porte lead team.

    Froome needed less help in the mountains and more protection on cobbles and lumpy stages. Tough call, but Pate may have been more useful to Froome in an emergency than Kennaugh on the terrain so far. Also they needed a flat stage engine to pull on stages when Froome was in yellow.

    Kennaugh lost out to Lopez or Zandio though, didn't he? Pate won his place over Suitsov or Knees (or Wiggins with Kirienka dropping down the pecking order). IMO
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  • nevman
    nevman Posts: 1,611
    G was meant to assist on the cobbles and flats-so what were the other seven for?
    Whats the solution? Just pedal faster you baby.

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  • frenchfighter
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    De Marchi has actually increased his lead by about 1 min which is excellent. Jan Bak at 1min and Cofidis rider at 1.30. Depleted peloton at 3 mins.
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  • Macaloon
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    Spirited congregation on the mountain. Classy.
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Coach H wrote:
    Macaloon wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    They mentioned this in one of the podcasts. He was picked to ride on the front all day if or when Froome was in yellow. They said Pate himself admits that he wouldn't be picked to support a Porte lead team.

    Froome needed less help in the mountains and more protection on cobbles and lumpy stages. Tough call, but Pate may have been more useful to Froome in an emergency than Kennaugh on the terrain so far. Also they needed a flat stage engine to pull on stages when Froome was in yellow.

    Kennaugh lost out to Lopez or Zandio though, didn't he? Pate won his place over Suitsov or Knees (or Wiggins with Kirienka dropping down the pecking order). IMO

    I don't think Pete was ever in contention to be honest, especially when Henao came back. Froome, Porte, Lopez, Nieve had spent the entire year together, racing and recceing stages. Pete was always on the outside this year imo.
  • Macaloon
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    Bakelants gets on a "heavier" bike for the descent.
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  • adr82
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    Kwia should get back on the descent, but I guess he won't last too long on the steeper parts of the final climb
  • frenchfighter
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    JRod claims the rest of the points. Kwiatek made it back almost...a la Sastre.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    edited July 2014
    nevman wrote:
    G was meant to assist on the cobbles and flats-so what were the other seven for?
    Froome - leader
    Nieve, Porte - final climb train
    Lopez - late mountain stage domestique
    Thomas - multi purpose demestique
    Kiryienka - earlier climb puller
    Pate - flat land puller
    Zandio - multi purpose puller
    Eisel - flat land bodyguard/road captain
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    RichN95 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    They mentioned this in one of the podcasts. He was picked to ride on the front all day if or when Froome was in yellow. They said Pate himself admits that he wouldn't be picked to support a Porte lead team.

    Why would he be in a Froome led team and not a Porte led team?
    Because Froome is likely to get the yellow jersey early, like he did last year and Wiggins did the year before. So they need someone to ride on the front on the flats. Porte on the other hand is unlikely to lead so would benefit from more mountain guys for support.


    Makes sense. ta
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  • ContrelaMontre
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    Rick Chasey wrote:
    OnYourRight wrote:
    Nibali honestly doesn’t look comfortably. Then again, no-one should expect to be comfortable right now. Hard to tell. Scarponi falling off now too.

    Nibali didn’t really take that much time from Porte and the others on stage 10. Explosive burst but didn’t really go very far.

    Nibs just doesn't like the heat. Always pulls that face when he is hot.

    Often think riders reactions to heat are counter intuitive. Enzo is Sicilian so should be fine with a bit of sunshine. Ullrich always preferred the heat in comparison with Big Tex as well.
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  • joelsim
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    adr82 wrote:
    Kwia should get back on the descent, but I guess he won't last too long on the steeper parts of the final climb

    Kwia isn't so good when it's really steep but he is good on the less streep so he could well come back in the second half of the next climb. Hope so as I like him.
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,382
    nevman wrote:
    G was meant to assist on the cobbles and flats-so what were the other seven for?

    Froome - leader
    Porte - mountain domestique (last man on climbs)
    Nieve - mountain domestique (2nd to last on climbs)
    Lopez - mountain domestique (4th to last on climbs)
    Thomas - all-round domestique (3rd to last on climbs)
    Eisel - Road captain
    Pate - Workhorse
    Kiryienka - Workhorse
    Zandio - Workhorse

    Remember, only a small minority of the race is on the big hills, flat stages can be just as dangerous (see the cross-winds last year where Froome lost a minute)

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