Canyon Endurace CF

OleCranky

Diary of a New Endurace
I ordered a stock Endurace CF9.0 on Thursday and had it duly delivered on the following Monday. I would have really preferred the Ultegra version but with several months to wait on order I took the hit with the stock Dura ace. The whole delivery process went smoothly but UPS really are a joke. They updated my delivery status on Sunday night to say the bike would arrive on Monday. Unable to get off work I tried to re-arrange delivery and after a lengthy and tiresome sign up process to join UPS Choice (they only way to change it) I got to a page that said a letter would arrive by snail mail in 5 days to set it up. Dumb! I arrived home from work expecting to see a ‘Could not deliver’ note and was gobsmacked to see they had left over two grands worth of bike in my unsecured garden – even dumber!!
The unpacking and building process wasn’t as quick as some suggest but still a lot of fun getting to know my new toy.
I was very nervous to both see and ride my new steed since the Fit calculator had me down as a small and my previous bike was a Medium. Although I found the front to be a bit twitchy compared to what I’m used to overall the size felt good. I may consider lengthening the stem in the long term.
After a couple of rides stage two was a Retul Bike fit to ensure I was on the right size within the 30 day return period. I would thoroughly recommend budgeting for this with a direct to customer purchase. It still ends up way cheaper than a LBS purchase, I’m keeping a local business happy and I now know that the bike both fits me and is set up perfectly.
Now for some fun on the roads following a very happy purchase.
As mentioned I got the Small (with Ritchey cockpit) and my measurements are
Height 174cm Inseam 81cm Torso 61cm Arms 60cm

thejaunce

Thanks for the contributions, much appreciated. I too was considering an Ultegra version, but decided it was a bit of a risk (considering previous posts) to wait until mid May for delivery as ill need this beauty for the Tour of Wessex. I’ll save up for some better wheels which will keep the wifey happy and thanks for tip...

OleCranky, your measurements are similar to mine and Canyon PPS put me on a small (S), will be interesting to hear how your fit goes. It's definitely something to consider before the 30 days is up I guess.

For the first time ever excitedly waiting for a UPS email!

OleCranky

thejaunce - The Fit went really well and the bike is definitely the correct size which is good to know

thejaunce

Thanks OleCranky, will look into it once bike arrives. Local LBS seems to do a good deal with fitting and postural assessment.

Received an order confirmation from Canyon on Friday stating shipping date week 8, but heard nothing since... Come on Canyon send me dispatched email!

mlgt

How is everyone enjoying their bike so far?

Any modifications? I've just added a bike mounted pump and saddle bag. Nothing new to report

So far have done just over 2.200 km on it and I gave it a proper clean last month. Stripped down parts and scrubbed clean and regreased etc. However the rear wheel seems to have some grit in the rear hub/cassette area so I will strip that down some point to clean and regrease.

However recently due to the warmer weather Ive seen more Canyons about, Ultimate and aeroads and sometimes I do ponder what the difference would have been if I had purchased the Ultimate.

Granted the price difference would have been around £450+, and a slight weight saving and better wheelset.
I have been thinking of upgrading the DTSwiss wheels for some handbuilts or even C24. But that cost "could" have been justified if I did click to buy the Ultimate.

Either way. I love my bike. Love the comfort ride, power transition and the way it looks. Just need to go out on longer rides when possible to enjoy it. Rather than commuting and training around regents park

ai_1

mlgt wrote:

.....However recently due to the warmer weather Ive seen more Canyons about, Ultimate and aeroads and sometimes I do ponder what the difference would have been if I had purchased the Ultimate.

Granted the price difference would have been around £450+, and a slight weight saving and better wheelset.
I have been thinking of upgrading the DTSwiss wheels for some handbuilts or even C24. But that cost "could" have been justified if I did click to buy the Ultimate.

Either way. I love my bike. Love the comfort ride, power transition and the way it looks. Just need to go out on longer rides when possible to enjoy it. Rather than commuting and training around regents park

The main difference with the Ultimate is not the spec, it's the geometry. It's got a little more reach and less stack. It's not a massively aggressive geometry but it is a "race" bike. The Aeroad is more aggressive again than the Ultimate. Unless you're finding the position on the Endurace too upright, you probably got the right bike so stop second guessing your decision and enjoy the bike!
Regarding wheels, I'd suggest not bothering to upgrade unless it's a for a much better wheel. In my experience the difference in enjoyment between good and very good wheels is not worth the expense of "upgrading". If I had a problem with my existing wheels I might consider buying something lighter and/or stiffer to replace them but I wouldn't take off good usable wheels to replace them with slightly lighter/stiffer wheels. Unless you need two sets of wheels, say because you want two types of tyres available for training and racing. Or perhaps if I was going to take TT or Triathlon very seriously and wanted a set of aero wheels.

gcwebbyuk

mlgt wrote:

Any modifications? I

I went for the CF8 with a view to upgrading the wheels later in the summer. But I changed my mind and bought a Stages Powermeter as I thought it would be more beneficial to my training/pacing.

I've also replaced the saddle with a Fizik Antares in the black/cyan colour scheme which nicely matches the blue of the bike!

Loving the bike so far, planning on doing some longer rides and a Sportive later in the summer.

Nesfyl

mlgt wrote:

How is everyone enjoying their bike so far?

The bike has really grown on me. I've done about 1,500 km so far, mostly in club rides over weekends ranging from 50 to 110 km. Being tall with all legs I really appreciate the slightly higher seating position, and I am absolutely sure I was right not going for the Ultimate. I managed to dial in my position perfectly now (it does take some trial-and-error). The bike is now very neutrally balanced that has affected straight line comfort and especially downhill confidence - and speed. I love how the frame-seatpost-wheelset system absorbs vibrations, and it's true that I got so used to it that I am astonished with the difference when I use my other bike. It's also stiff and feels great going uphill, with no detectable flex on the frame.

My only gripe is with the wheels, especially the back one (I've got the R23 set). After about 500km I had to re-true it as it was badly out of shape with most of the spokes loose. It has remained true ever since, but some of the spokes tend to ping under load, something that drives me mad. I am also under the impression that the wheelset is not as stiff as I would have liked, even my old Ksyriums gave me more confidence. They are of course supremely comfortable and they shape the tyre really well, but I may start saving for an upgrade sometime down the road.

In all I believe I would not be able to get a better frame for my needs and budget (including geo) anywhere. Really chuffed with it. When a ride is over, all I think of is the next one

redscouse

beautiful day yesterday roads dry no streams of water, back on the endurace after winter hibernation riding my spesh allez during winter months, bike felt lightweight stiff quick, however horrible creak noise when power put down or climbing which i think is coming from left crank bottom bracket, I took off the cranks cleaned and regreased the axle and outside of the bearings , I did not want to play with the sealed bearings, I tightened the chainset bolts too , regreased the speedplays so hopefully problem will clear up. has any one else had a similar problem with their endurace?

mlgt

Sometimes this could be the pedals as well. But shouldn't creak. Ive ridden mine throughout the winter and didn't clean it and still no creaks. Only some horrible grit noise but I would simply flush the lower half with water and grease chain only.

So in regards to wheel upgrades I started a little thread on handbuilts vs off the shelf as I was really thinking on getting a set of C24 for upgrades, but realise that the upgrade will only be slight and to really benefit I would need to go a little higher spec. So maybe something special like Reynolds or Zipp 303 for the summer.

For the wheels to be re trued, might be some bad luck for you. I haven't had to do that yet and have hit some hidden pot holes on weekend rides at some speeds. I did stop and check right away but the wheels have been rebust. I have had plenty of punctures and shredded one of the tyres on some glass which annoyed me.

I have yet to bump into other Endurace owners in London, but I am certain there are some, but probably don't use it a a daily workhorse like I do (maybe Im wrong :P )

Nesfyl

mlgt wrote:

I have yet to bump into other Endurace owners in London, but I am certain there are some, but probably don't use it a a daily workhorse like I do (maybe Im wrong :P )

He he, I'm pretty sure I am the only Endurace owner (and one of a few Canyon bikes for that matter) in Cyprus at the moment. Last club ride attracted some envious stares

gcwebbyuk

Just a quick snap of my CF8 just back from a spin:



Putting more and more miles on it, and loving it more each time!

Bandolander

Any Canyon owners out there with a problem with the Acros I-lock headset managed to fix it?
ever since I got the bike there is play on the top part of the headset (clamp) To get rid of I have to tight the little grub screw tighter than I'd like, leaving an uneven gap around it. After that the headset end up being a bit too tight and "sticky". Canyon says the grub screw should have a slight pressure. I followed all steps correctly, loosing the clamp, stem bolts, pressing down stem, adjusting bolts and removing play with the i-lock. all parts of the headset are correctly placed.
Thankful to get some opinions

diamonddog

Bandolander wrote:

Any Canyon owners out there with a problem with the Acros I-lock headset managed to fix it?
ever since I got the bike there is play on the top part of the headset (clamp) To get rid of I have to tight the little grub screw tighter than I'd like, leaving an uneven gap around it. After that the headset end up being a bit too tight and "sticky". Canyon says the grub screw should have a slight pressure. I followed all steps correctly, loosing the clamp, stem bolts, pressing down stem, adjusting bolts and removing play with the i-lock. all parts of the headset are correctly placed.
Thankful to get some opinions

If you mean the spacer/spacers above the clamp for your bars then this is normal, the push in top cap just keeps them in place.

Bandolander

No, I mean there is play on the headset unless I over tighten the I-lock grub screw. All spacers are bellow the stem as it arrived. No play at the bottom of the head tube, only at the compression ring bit on top part of headset. I know some Canyon owners had that problem and I was wondering if anybody managed to fix it

diamonddog

Sorry can't help with that one, hope you get it sorted soon.

vinc.23

Nesfyl wrote:

paddyg77 wrote:

Hi All,

I am seriously considering ordering an Endurace, but i am a little bit nervous about getting the sizing right. I am 6ft 2ish (187cm) with an inseam of 35.5 inches (91 cm). Using the Canyon sizing this puts me on a size XL (60cm). Has anyone else with similar measurements bought one? Seems large to me as would normally look at a 58 cm, which would be a L for Canyon. However, looking at geometry of my current bike (Giant) it is more similar to the XL Canyon. So not sure whether to go L or XL. Any thoughts appreciated.

Canyon's PPS system relies heavily on inside leg length for its recommendations. Assuming a 172.5mm crank, and using the 109% saddle height approach (I know it's not a panacea, but it's usually in the ballpark) you get a saddle height of 819.4 mm (BB to saddle top, along the seat tube). This fits both the L and XL sizes. In the former case you'd have 204mm of seat post showing (assuming saddle rails to top is 50mm), in the latter 174mm. They're both fine. So it all depends on the reach you want, and the stack. A stem of 110mm (at -6 degrees) will have the handlebars 704mm from the seatpost (horizontally) for the L, and 719 for the XL. The bar drop will be 121mm and 101mm respectively (assuming a 20mm spacer stack + 16mm for the arcos headset top). As I do not know your upper body dimensions and your flexibility, I can't recommend either. But you may want to consider a 120mm stem for the L (a 20 EUR surcharge) if you're happy with the lower position, this will add 10mm to the horizontal distance (approximately) and your drop will be 119mm. I was also in a dilemma, but as I'm taller (1.92m) and possess a longer inside leg (93.5cm) I am firmly planted in the XL camp.

Hope this helps

Hi Nesfyl,
I am writing from Italy. I am 190 cm with 92cm inseam and 64cm trunk. I am 84 kg, 40 years and very poor flexibility. I am thinking to get a CF8 endurace and I am thinking at size XL. If I understand well you are saying that in general (if one is beetween L and XL or XL and XXL)a size more will be helpful in people with flexibility "problem"...right? you and the others do yoi think that XL is right for me?
Many thanks

johnbranet

Hello,

I want to buy Canyon Endurace 7.0.

I have the following measurements:
Inseam:85
Trunk:67
Forearm:33
Arm:63
Thigh:59
Lower Leg:57
Sternal Notch:154
Total Body Height:183
arm length 54
torso 67
shoulder 44

Based on recomandation from Canyon suport personel ,they told me that both L and M are ok, if I want a more athletic position, to chose M and if i want a more confortable position to choose L.
Based on seat tube of 56,5 and top of tube of 55,5 I think that L could be ok .M could be a little bit short ?

I tried Felt Z85 size 56 -M which has 56cm top tube and 18 cm head tube and seems ok for me , but M from Felt I think is much similar with L from Canyon.

What do you think?

Thank you,
John

ai_1

As long as length is close it can be easily adjusted with a stem swap. I'd be most concerned about the drop to the bars being where you want it. Remember the headtube length isn't the whole story. If I remember correctly the Endurace fork is about 10mm longer than typical and the Acros headset also adds something like 10mm (or is it 15mm?). So the Endurace might be a little higher than the headtube length suggests when compared with some other bikes. The geometry chart gives the stack which will include the fork length. There's also a note on the Canyon product page regarding the height added by the Acros headset, I think it's a note on the geometry chart.
That should let you compare pretty accurately with whatever bikes you have available to test for sizing.

mrtn

Earlier in this thread someone posted a link to one excellent Excel sheet that compared several frames. This could be useful, if it's still there.

One thing to note, if you plan to keep the 2-piece seat post, is that there is a lower limit of insertion, due to the leaf-like design of the post. I am also 183 tall and with 86-87 inseam. With L-sized frame my seat post is just 1cm above the lower limit.

johnbranet

Here ,


Looking into the comparison between Felt and Canyon it seems that the stack for Felt Z85 M is 58 and for Canyon M is 57.1 cm.The headset for Canyon M is 15 mm including spacer of 5 mm.
MRTN,Is ok L for you or recommend M considering that you have 1 CM above min level ?
I can choose also M and replace the default stem of 10 with one of 11 or 12 cm also.

Thank you,
John

ai_1

johnbranet wrote:

.....MRTN,Is ok L for you or recommend M considering that you have 1 CM above min level ?
I can choose also M and replace the default stem of 10 with one of 11 or 12 cm also....

If you're currently riding a bike and happy with the saddle height it would be a good idea to measure this since people may come up with similar inseam measurements but use different saddle heights. So if MRTN can tell you what saddle height it is that leaves him with 1cm clearance, you'll know if you're current saddle height is compatible with an L frame and the VCLS 2.0 post, or not. I've got a saddle height of just under 750mm and when I bought a Canyon Ultimate CF SL in size M last year with a VCLS 2.0 post, I didn't have much more insertion to play with. If I recall correctly, 740mm would have been the lowest available with that frame and that seatpost (and with the Specialized Romin Evo Expert Saddle I was using).
That was a bit close for comfort since changes in saddle, shoes, peal system, crank length or just position tweaks, either individually or in combination, could require a lower saddle position and cause problems. I think the Endurace frame has similar seatpost lengths and your inseam is only 1cm more than mine so your seat height might not be much more. Therefore a size L is likley to be borderline or too big to fit the VCLS 2.0 (of course the VCLS 1.0 and other posts can be used with less seatpost exposed should you want the L frame but not have sufficient saddle height).

If in doubt on bike size and if you can satisfy yourself that the stack of the smaller option does not seem excessively low for you then I'd suggest the smaller frame is the generally the safer option.

Nesfyl

vinc.23 wrote:

Hi Nesfyl,
I am writing from Italy. I am 190 cm with 92cm inseam and 64cm trunk. I am 84 kg, 40 years and very poor flexibility. I am thinking to get a CF8 endurace and I am thinking at size XL. If I understand well you are saying that in general (if one is beetween L and XL or XL and XXL)a size more will be helpful in people with flexibility "problem"...right? you and the others do yoi think that XL is right for me?
Many thanks

Hi there

You seem to be on the same boat as me, so I'd advise you to go for the XL frame, which I eventually bought and I am extremely happy with. In fact I was drawn to the endurance due to the geometry above else, and I am really happy with the bike. Having said that, it's actually never a really good idea to buy bikes based only on trigonometric calculations, but if you have a reference frame or an older bike that you can compare it with, it would make a wonderful purchase. To assist myself with my decision I had created a simple spreadsheet with a db of a lot of contemporary endurance frames in the L-Xl size camp to see bar drops, reach etc. on paper. I have withdrawn access to it because I wasn't sure how useful it would be, but here is the link again:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
It is not editable, so if you want to play with it you can download it as an excel file from the the File menu.

Bear in mind that in order to achieve my desired position I ordered the extra setback seatpost to accommodate my long femurs - which negated the need for a longer stem. Again, this depends on the particulars of your own body, so take caution when using the spreadsheet.

mrtn

johnbranet wrote:

Here ,
MRTN,Is ok L for you or recommend M considering that you have 1 CM above min level ?
I can choose also M and replace the default stem of 10 with one of 11 or 12 cm also.

I guess other measurements will be more important (reaching to bars and how low they are).

Seat tube can be replaced, if that's the only issue in the end. But good suggestion above to take measurements on some bike that has the seat adjusted for you and see whether there'll be problems with seat post clearance. I think I posted a few pages back what I measured the seat height if inserted to the maximum.

redscouse

bizarrley the creaking went away during a longish sportive and the next few rides but is back again, i'm going to swap my speedplays out for SPD's tonight and ride tomorrow on different pedals.

also to note i had retired my endurace for the winter and started using it two weeks ago and just noticed ( my error) that the the seatpost had slipped 3 cm lower than the maximum insertion, i have moved it back again to 0.5cm above max insertion, I think the seatpost clamp had unwound somewhat and is now back tightened to 4nm, no damage done. So check your clamps and bolts if not done so for a long time with your torque wrench.

johnbranet

daniel1420 wrote:

@Ai_1 thanks for the feedback. My issue is that i feel like my current bike is a touch too small for me (i bought it second hand) and had always planned on sizing up a little when i got a new one.

Have you received the bike?Is the size ok?My size is similar tou yours and I want to hear your feedback.
Thank you,
John

redscouse

redscouse wrote:

bizarrley the creaking went away during a longish sportive and the next few rides but is back again, i'm going to swap my speedplays out for SPD's tonight and ride tomorrow on different pedals.

also to note i had retired my endurace for the winter and started using it two weeks ago and just noticed ( my error) that the the seatpost had slipped 3 cm lower than the maximum insertion, i have moved it back again to 0.5cm above max insertion, I think the seatpost clamp had unwound somewhat and is now back tightened to 4nm, no damage done. So check your clamps and bolts if not done so for a long time with your torque wrench.

well swapping the speedplay pedals for spd's made no difference to the creaking so its not the pedals, had to change rear tube twice recently so i was wondering if the rear Quick release mechanism was causing the creak ...i stopped the bike and relaesed the rear wheel reseated it and loosened the nut and then closed the QR not as tightly as previous. This has changed the nature of the creak softened the noise but its still there....hmm :?:

saemi

WildernessDreams wrote:

I'm 196cm with an inseam of 94cm. The recommendation for this is 2XL but only just (drop a cm from the inseam and it's XL).
With the overlap between sizes and my measurements being so borderline I agonised for some time before going for the 2XL (for the extra 1cm in the wheelbase and 18mm in the stack).
The seatpost is at its maximum insertion and I'm debating whether it would be better with the shorter stem and narrower bar of the XL size but other than that I'm pleased with the fit.

I am 193cm with inseam of 94cm so I also get a 2XL recommendation. I am however torn between XL and 2XL. What is your experience after riding it for some time?

saemi

wahla21 wrote:

Hello all,

My Canyon Endurance CF 8.0 arrived the other day so I thought I'd share my experience.

My previous bike was a carbon Cube Agree with full Ultegra. I liked it but never quite felt it was right for me.

So, after assembling (Great fun) the Canyon I took it out for a spin today.
All I can say is WOW! What a difference. The bike feels really solid, very quick, light, stiff but also super smooth. It is also a much better climber than my last one. I was very impressed. I even set a few PB's on Strava without even trying...

I put my Mavic Ksyriums on the bike straight away so don't know how the DT Swiss wheels ride but with the Mavics the bike is awesome and for such value! I was wondering how going from Ultegra to 105 would be but this new groupset is fantastic. So smooth and not a problem whatsoever.

Don't know why they've put a 11-32 cassette on the bike as I was running out of gears a few times. Would prefer a 11-28 setup but that's just me.

The only negative for me is the saddle. After 45 min I could barely sit on it. I will be going back to my Specialized but again that's just personal preference.

I'm a tall guy, 6.5 (195cm) with looooong legs and the 2Xl fits me great!
And, the bike easily takes mudguards as per the picture.

I'm really happy with the purchase and it was a pleasure dealing with Canyon.

Cheers

Wow, your post really is of interest to me since I have similar measurements (193cm/94cm) and have been thinking about buying Cube Agree GTC or the Canyon Endurace. Because of your post I am now leaning towards the Canyon.
Can you tell me what your inseam is since you speak of your looooong legs ? The site recommends 2XL but I am also close to a single XL.

ham76

Hi,
I am new to this forum and am now waiting for my 1st road bike.

This is my story:-
I ordered Endurace CF 7.0 earlier this month. I am small, 164cm with inseam of 71cm. Needless to say, XS is the frame for me. However, the stem will be changed from 80mm to 90mm and the handle bar width will be changed from 380mm to 400mm. This is because I was lucky man and was able to visit Canyon Koblenz Showroom. I have tried several bikes with different set up. They recommended few modification to the standard XS frame bike.
My bike is expected to arrive in late April.