Froome on Wiggins and more

darkhairedlord

South African though... didn't spitting image do a song about them in the 70's?

I'll get my coat!

Grill

Coriander wrote:

Grill wrote:

It's a nicer term than troglodyte and yet I wouldn't even get a blink had I called her that. Funny how everyone here can suddenly assign a degree of offensiveness to a term that they've never even heard much less used. And based upon what? Vague etymology? Conjecture? Deductive reasoning? Come off it, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

OK, maybe you'll get the etymology, conjecture and deductive reasoning of this - as a woman I found what you called her extremely offensive. It was based solely on her being a WOMAN you don't like, not a person you don't like, and you deliberately went for an insulting, sexist term.

Actually it was based on her being a person I don't like (although the term was coined by women to describe other women, it is and has been applied to men just as readily), but I know how much fun it can be to speculate on motivation. Not sure how you expect me to accurately gauge your sensitivity to an unfamiliar euphemism.

I think I've made my feelings clear on this subject as well as Mrs. Froome, so no point in derailing this thread any further. If you want to air suppositions about me then at least start a thread in Bottom Bracket. I'm more than happy to join the party there.

The_Boy

Grill wrote:

Coriander wrote:

Grill wrote:

It's a nicer term than troglodyte and yet I wouldn't even get a blink had I called her that. Funny how everyone here can suddenly assign a degree of offensiveness to a term that they've never even heard much less used. And based upon what? Vague etymology? Conjecture? Deductive reasoning? Come off it, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

OK, maybe you'll get the etymology, conjecture and deductive reasoning of this - as a woman I found what you called her extremely offensive. It was based solely on her being a WOMAN you don't like, not a person you don't like, and you deliberately went for an insulting, sexist term.

Actually it was based on her being a person I don't like (although the term was coined by women to describe other women, it is and has been applied to men just as readily), but I know how much fun it can be to speculate on motivation. Not sure how you expect me to accurately gauge your sensitivity to an unfamiliar euphemism.

I think I've made my feelings clear on this subject as well as Mrs. Froome, so no point in derailing this thread any further. If you want to air suppositions about me then at least start a thread in Bottom Bracket. I'm more than happy to join the party there.

If you can't think through the possible reactions which might result from your causal misogyny then the problem lies with you, not the posters.

You've already had at least one woman point out to you that the term has specifically caused her offence. In these situations, the grown up thing to do is to apologise for causing offence - again, your lack to do so is a failing on your part, not anyone else's.

TMR

The_Boy wrote:

Grill wrote:

It's a nicer term than troglodyte and yet I wouldn't even get a blink had I called her that. Funny how everyone here can suddenly assign a degree of offensiveness to a term that they've never even heard much less used. And based upon what? Vague etymology? Conjecture? Deductive reasoning? Come off it, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Based on it being an unpleasant term loaded with all sorts of value judgements of a person based on their gender.

If you don't want people to pull you up for behaving like an unpleasant child, best not to behave like one.

You are very free with your opinion for someone with 185 posts. You are clearly an alt account of someone without the courage to post under your usual name. I've reported you to a Mod - perhaps they can look into it.

Coriander

Honestly, I despair of this place at times.

Paulie W

TMR wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

Grill wrote:

It's a nicer term than troglodyte and yet I wouldn't even get a blink had I called her that. Funny how everyone here can suddenly assign a degree of offensiveness to a term that they've never even heard much less used. And based upon what? Vague etymology? Conjecture? Deductive reasoning? Come off it, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Based on it being an unpleasant term loaded with all sorts of value judgements of a person based on their gender.

If you don't want people to pull you up for behaving like an unpleasant child, best not to behave like one.

You are very free with your opinion for someone with 185 posts. You are clearly an alt account of someone without the courage to post under your usual name. I've reported you to a Mod - perhaps they can look into it.

Good for you! We dont want these neophytes polluting the forum with reasonable opinions.

The_Boy

TMR wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

Grill wrote:

It's a nicer term than troglodyte and yet I wouldn't even get a blink had I called her that. Funny how everyone here can suddenly assign a degree of offensiveness to a term that they've never even heard much less used. And based upon what? Vague etymology? Conjecture? Deductive reasoning? Come off it, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Based on it being an unpleasant term loaded with all sorts of value judgements of a person based on their gender.

If you don't want people to pull you up for behaving like an unpleasant child, best not to behave like one.

You are very free with your opinion for someone with 185 posts. You are clearly an alt account of someone without the courage to post under your usual name. I've reported you to a Mod - perhaps they can look into it.

how many posts does one need before putting forward an opinion? Genuine question.

As for the accusation that I am rayjay, this is the third time I've had to defend myself (second in 24 hours). The first was because I used a smiley, iirc. Happy to confirm I'm not him/her. Also happy for you to report me to a mod, though would appreciate an explanation as to why you think i am s/he.

Edited to correct spelling mistooks.

Coriander

TMR wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

Grill wrote:

It's a nicer term than troglodyte and yet I wouldn't even get a blink had I called her that. Funny how everyone here can suddenly assign a degree of offensiveness to a term that they've never even heard much less used. And based upon what? Vague etymology? Conjecture? Deductive reasoning? Come off it, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Based on it being an unpleasant term loaded with all sorts of value judgements of a person based on their gender.

If you don't want people to pull you up for behaving like an unpleasant child, best not to behave like one.

You are very free with your opinion for someone with 185 posts. You are clearly an alt account of someone without the courage to post under your usual name. I've reported you to a Mod - perhaps they can look into it.

Most people behave like a w*nker some of the time, it's the human condition. Some people on here, unfortunately, behave like a w*anker most of the time. In the posts quoted above, The_Boy is the one not doing so, whatever the speculation on his account status.

TMR

Coriander wrote:

Most people behave like a w*nker some of the time, it's the human condition. Some people on here, unfortunately, behave like a w*anker most of the time. In the posts quoted above, The_Boy is the one not doing so, whatever the speculation on his account status.

I don't want the forums to be a sanitised environment. I want people to feel free to post what they like. I really don't like this recent drive by a number of people to turn the forum into some sort of PC zone where any view that doesn't conform is challenged and the OP shouted down.

I really dislike alt accounts. They are so cowardly. No-one should have (or be allowed to have) more than one account IMHO. Just my view obviously, I don't own the forums.

iainf72

We don't need the forum turning into Nigel Farages Britain though

rick_chasey

Enough has been said on the topic and more besides.