Carlton Kirby

pinno

RichN95. said:

stage_hunter said:

pinno said:

What's with Tao Geoghegan Hart - I mean, is he clinically depressed? Interviews are voluntary so I don't know why he's doing them.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/2022/your-flies-are-undone-tao-geoghegan-hart-pauses-interview-to-warn-reporter-at-la-vuelta_vid1735814/video.shtml

Not sure publically speculating on people’s mental health is a good thing

It's not, but it's OK pointing out that this is the bleakest interview that most of us have seen and wanting to give him a hug and say it's OK Tao. We really don't know what might be happening in rider's lives outside cycling. The question is why did he do the interview? Was he pressured?

That was my thought. he seemed to be exhausted. Plus, he shipped time yesterday which means things are probably not good.
I disagree though, IF he has some mental issues then audience would be sympathetic. That's an IF.

Cross fingers he'll recharge today. It has been a brutal tour so far.
Strangely, this is his only GT this year.

andyp

pinno said:

RichN95. said:

stage_hunter said:

pinno said:

What's with Tao Geoghegan Hart - I mean, is he clinically depressed? Interviews are voluntary so I don't know why he's doing them.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/2022/your-flies-are-undone-tao-geoghegan-hart-pauses-interview-to-warn-reporter-at-la-vuelta_vid1735814/video.shtml

Not sure publically speculating on people’s mental health is a good thing

It's not, but it's OK pointing out that this is the bleakest interview that most of us have seen and wanting to give him a hug and say it's OK Tao. We really don't know what might be happening in rider's lives outside cycling. The question is why did he do the interview? Was he pressured?

That was my thought. he seemed to be exhausted. Plus, he shipped time yesterday which means things are probably not good.
I disagree though, IF he has some mental issues then audience would be sympathetic. That's an IF.

Cross fingers he'll recharge today. It has been a brutal tour so far.
Strangely, this is his only GT this year.

He shipped time yesterday because he crashed on the descent before the final climb and never got back to the front group. It had nothing to do with his morale.

Pross

They just showed bits of footage from yesterday’s stage which included Rodriguez congratulating Carapaz. Carlton: “So nice to see rivals congratulating each other”. FFS I know they had different jerseys on but surely the big ‘Ineos’ in them should have been a clue!

lloyddaniel

r0bh said:

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/daniellloyd1/status/1543706648115642368?s=21&t=wkNNzR--VU5RdefuttJqSA

Eeek

I think Dan Lloyd's tweet was more to do with the truck loads of online abuse that gets thrown at Orla Chennaoui.

It was exactly what I said, I look for feedback everywhere....

I find it really interesting, so don't worry about me lurking.

lloyddaniel

Lanterne_Rogue said:

RichN95. said:

Lanterne_Rogue said:

I think they use iPhones or tablets as a way to have the facts at their fingertips. If it was the same segment I saw you could hear Orla checking something about levels - rather than texting she was probably swotting up on the main themes they'd agreed to talk about afterwards. I quite appreciated the insight into how they work - everyone else going nuts and Orla making sure that she's fully equipped to play ringmistress. She's clearly a fan, but she's also an absolute pro, and it gets the best out of everyone else around her.

I'm not buying that. I haven't seen the clip, but not watching a stage finish is a bit odd if you are about to talk about it. Surely you would need, if not want, to know who won. I can't image Gary Lineker not watching a penalty shoot out.

In the sequence I'm on about - and there's no guarantee it's the same one as Blazing was, nor is there any guarantee that the way it's been cut reflects what was going on in chronological order - she's there checking stuff whilst everyone gets excited, then is shown saying "oh my god!" whilst stood up to watch the screen. I don't think any of us could know what correlates to any of those moments, nor use it to draw the conclusion that she didn't watch the final sprint.

However there was definitely some point where Robbie and Adam looked like they'd overdone the e numbers and Orla was concentrating on getting ready for the show. That's kind of interesting to notice, and part of all their strengths.

In that set, there are TVs on both sides, so Orla looking in a different direction to the rest of us doesn't mean she's not watching the race.

daniel_b

Purely on the subject of commentators, have watched the last couple of CX races, and Helen Wyman is imo superb.

Calm delivery, varying intonation, clearly knowledge and a passion for the sport, and a bit of humour sprinkled in, perfect blend.

I hope they make more of her skills, and potentially she might make her way onto some road racing commentary.

gethinceri

My biggest concern with the GCN/Eurosport/Discovery coverage is when the audio is disjointed/inoperative.
My second concern is Marty reading out the positions from 1-20 or more when 1: they’re being shown to us on the screen 2: something is happening on screen that’s more important(always).
I have other concerns, mainly to do with a certain commentator but Marty really knackers cx for me.

orraloon

There does seem to be less Marty McFly this season, so being phased out gently? Hoping.

pinno

andyp said:

pinno said:

RichN95. said:

stage_hunter said:

pinno said:

What's with Tao Geoghegan Hart - I mean, is he clinically depressed? Interviews are voluntary so I don't know why he's doing them.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/2022/your-flies-are-undone-tao-geoghegan-hart-pauses-interview-to-warn-reporter-at-la-vuelta_vid1735814/video.shtml

Not sure publically speculating on people’s mental health is a good thing

It's not, but it's OK pointing out that this is the bleakest interview that most of us have seen and wanting to give him a hug and say it's OK Tao. We really don't know what might be happening in rider's lives outside cycling. The question is why did he do the interview? Was he pressured?

That was my thought. he seemed to be exhausted. Plus, he shipped time yesterday which means things are probably not good.
I disagree though, IF he has some mental issues then audience would be sympathetic. That's an IF.

Cross fingers he'll recharge today. It has been a brutal tour so far.
Strangely, this is his only GT this year.

He shipped time yesterday because he crashed on the descent before the final climb and never got back to the front group. It had nothing to do with his morale.

Tiredness leading to mistakes?

lloyddaniel said:

Lanterne_Rogue said:

RichN95. said:

Lanterne_Rogue said:

I think they use iPhones or tablets as a way to have the facts at their fingertips. If it was the same segment I saw you could hear Orla checking something about levels - rather than texting she was probably swotting up on the main themes they'd agreed to talk about afterwards. I quite appreciated the insight into how they work - everyone else going nuts and Orla making sure that she's fully equipped to play ringmistress. She's clearly a fan, but she's also an absolute pro, and it gets the best out of everyone else around her.

I'm not buying that. I haven't seen the clip, but not watching a stage finish is a bit odd if you are about to talk about it. Surely you would need, if not want, to know who won. I can't image Gary Lineker not watching a penalty shoot out.

In the sequence I'm on about - and there's no guarantee it's the same one as Blazing was, nor is there any guarantee that the way it's been cut reflects what was going on in chronological order - she's there checking stuff whilst everyone gets excited, then is shown saying "oh my god!" whilst stood up to watch the screen. I don't think any of us could know what correlates to any of those moments, nor use it to draw the conclusion that she didn't watch the final sprint.

However there was definitely some point where Robbie and Adam looked like they'd overdone the e numbers and Orla was concentrating on getting ready for the show. That's kind of interesting to notice, and part of all their strengths.

In that set, there are TVs on both sides, so Orla looking in a different direction to the rest of us doesn't mean she's not watching the race.

Welcome @lloyddaniel.
Why so much online abuse at Orla? Is that 'normal' for anyone in the spotlight? You'll have to forgive me but I don't spend much time on social media.
What is (or are there) the general themes of the abuse?

The consensus in here (I think) regarding Orla is positive. I personally think she's excellent at keeping things moving, she adds a human touch and she is a breath of fresh air.

tailwindhome

@lloyddaniel

It may be something outside of GCNs control, but thought I'd mention it

The biggest bugbear I have with Eurosport coverage is their 1 hour highlights programme, which usually consists of random bits of footage thrown together

Now, I know nothing about TV production or the GCN/Eurosport set up, but it would be great to see races given a proper highlights show, with the story of the race told.

lloyddaniel

tailwindhome said:

@lloyddaniel

It may be something outside of GCNs control, but thought I'd mention it

The biggest bugbear I have with Eurosport coverage is their 1 hour highlights programme, which usually consists of random bits of footage thrown together

Now, I know nothing about TV production or the GCN/Eurosport set up, but it would be great to see races given a proper highlights show, with the story of the race told.

Hi there.

One of the difficulties that we face with all highlights, compared to national broadcasters, is that we need them be in multiple languages - in excess of 20 for the biggest races. Trying to make a bespoke 1 hour highlights package for all of those languages is never going to be possible, unfortunately, but that's not to say we won't make an effort to improve the longer highlights packages in the most listened to languages.

Dan

blazing_saddles

orraloon said:

There does seem to be less Marty McFly this season, so being phased out gently? Hoping.

He and Dani are currently back on comms for the women's TDU.

blazing_saddles

I don't know if anybody can make use of this offer, but discovery+ is now available at no extra cost for Sky Q, Sky Glass and Sky Stream customers.

https://www.sky.com/help/articles/discovery-plus?DCMP=tva-skycom:ec_discovery_plus

Pross

blazing_saddles said:

I don't know if anybody can make use of this offer, but discovery+ is now available at no extra cost for Sky Q, Sky Glass and Sky Stream customers.

https://www.sky.com/help/articles/discovery-plus?DCMP=tva-skycom:ec_discovery_plus

I’m on Sky Q so will give it a go, cheers.

takethehighroad

I was under the impression previously that this didn't include the Eurosport element. I looked into it when E3 was on last year and the TV coverage was so much shorter than GCN coverage

tailwindhome

Signed up for the Discovery +

You need to set up an account - but it's 0 cost

I couldn't watch the CX race today though, I assume you need a GCN account to unlock it?

tailwindhome

1'30" into my watching of the 2023 Road season and Carlton is fretting about 90degree turns.

Good to be back

tailwindhome

tailwindhome said:

@lloyddaniel

It may be something outside of GCNs control, but thought I'd mention it

The biggest bugbear I have with Eurosport coverage is their 1 hour highlights programme, which usually consists of random bits of footage thrown together

Now, I know nothing about TV production or the GCN/Eurosport set up, but it would be great to see races given a proper highlights show, with the story of the race told.

Example

The highlights package for the Stage 1 one of the UAE went to the ad break with 47km to go, came back with 27km to go and echelons all over the road

Its just the live coverage with 20k chopped out

kingstongraham

tailwindhome said:

tailwindhome said:

@lloyddaniel

It may be something outside of GCNs control, but thought I'd mention it

The biggest bugbear I have with Eurosport coverage is their 1 hour highlights programme, which usually consists of random bits of footage thrown together

Now, I know nothing about TV production or the GCN/Eurosport set up, but it would be great to see races given a proper highlights show, with the story of the race told.

Example

The highlights package for the Stage 1 one of the UAE went to the ad break with 47km to go, came back with 27km to go and echelons all over the road

Its just the live coverage with 20k chopped out

The 47km to 27km was particularly interesting, too.

m.r.m.

Watchin highlights never works for cycling. I find the best way to watch a stage as a VOD is to start at the beginning and skip forward. You don't miss the story of the race that way.

Media covering cycling in most cases do such a poor job, that it's just amazing they aren't watching cycling for the first time. There are only very few exceptions unfortunately.

A good highlights package would do the same thing. Watch the race and add timestamps to the decisive moments. Cut the moments in-between timestamps.

takethehighroad

BT Sport app is good for putting timestamps on live coverage to jump back to

Hopefully with a link between Discovery and BT they can add this to Discovery + and GCN+

daniel_b

ck calling Oliver (Ollie) Bridgewood, Ollie Bridgewater caught me off guard.

kingstongraham

kingstongraham said:

tailwindhome said:

tailwindhome said:

@lloyddaniel

It may be something outside of GCNs control, but thought I'd mention it

The biggest bugbear I have with Eurosport coverage is their 1 hour highlights programme, which usually consists of random bits of footage thrown together

Now, I know nothing about TV production or the GCN/Eurosport set up, but it would be great to see races given a proper highlights show, with the story of the race told.

Example

The highlights package for the Stage 1 one of the UAE went to the ad break with 47km to go, came back with 27km to go and echelons all over the road

Its just the live coverage with 20k chopped out

The 47km to 27km was particularly interesting, too.

This overhead shot was on the live coverage with 28.3km to go (the live coverage was showing the peloton closing in when it actually happened) - missing that out is proof there is no science to it beyond what will fit in the slot.

https://twitter.com/VelonCC/status/1627760459523952640

Pross

^Plapp did a great job making contact with that front group. Didn't think he was going to make it at first.

Pross

Watching my first racing of the year after getting my free Discovery + account sorted. The first thing I got was Kirby blathering on about camel whispering and it has gone gradually more downhill since. I was hoping he was going to get phased out and replaced with the GCN lot over this season, no such luck.

takethehighroad

Pross said:

Watching my first racing of the year after getting my free Discovery + account sorted. The first thing I got was Kirby blathering on about camel whispering and it has gone gradually more downhill since. I was hoping he was going to get phased out and replaced with the GCN lot over this season, no such luck.

If you're watching on Discovery + you can change the language of commentary. The French guys were very informative about the bordures towards the end of the stage

daniel_b

Today we had roundabouts, and the oil polluting wells story, heard that at least once before.

And watching the slow mo finish commenting about Groenewegen 'jinking' around some debris on the ground during the sprint, when he maintained a straight line past the debris, and it was evidently Gaviria that had to do the jinking

blazing_saddles

Brian Smith doing a good job of keeping him in his box, today.
I know there's not a lot going on, but you can't just keep repeating the names of half the peloton, over and over and over.
He has done this so many times in the last hour that he forgot he had asked Brian who he thought would win this stage.
Brian's reply was perfect.

pinno

M-SR

Hatch [Pogacar] "...he's got two... three bike lengths..."

What race are you watching Hatch?

"The first time in 4 decades that a Dutchman has won..."

No, 34 years. That's 6 years short of 4 decades.

Never mind Kirby, this guy is a w@nker.

pinno

I'll take Kirby's wittering over Hatch's wholly ludicrous over pronunciation of proper nouns and his "...we'll be remembering this in years to come [yeah, the stage where you really over did it]... this will go down in the history books...[yes, I will remember the stage. I won't remember who won but i'll remember this was the stage where you went silly]..."