Carlton Kirby

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Having the commentary team in a studio doesn't affect quality at all and has other benefits (cost saving, less environmental impact, potentially allows coverage of mutliple races by the same team). Having a reporter at the race is all that is really needed. Agreed on the highlights package though, GCN / ES just make no effort on that and highlights also gives a chance for a bit of post-race news updates such as how a rider is doing after a crash or details of those who missed a time cut.
  • blazing_saddles
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    andyrac said:

    Looks like he's doing the Vuelta.......oh marvellous.

    It stands to reason as Rob Hatch gets the Giro and they share the Tour.
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  • andyrac
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    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.
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  • Pross
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    andyrac said:

    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.

    But how many other sports move around every day and would rely on temporary studios? A sports stadium will have a permanent facility and the action is happening in front of them so they can see it with their own eyes, with cycling the commentators are having to rely on the TV pictures and being in their own studio they get to watch on big screens as opposed to tiny monitors that I've heard them mention in the past when 'on site'. It adds absolutely nothing to the commentary.
  • ddraver
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    andyrac said:

    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.

    I suspect a lot more, pundits at least, are commentating from studios than you realise.
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  • RichN95.
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    edited July 2022
    Delete. Just repeating Pross's point
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  • Pross
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    ddraver said:

    andyrac said:

    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.

    I suspect a lot more, pundits at least, are commentating from studios than you realise.
    It took me a while watching ES to realise that the commentators weren't at many of the races. I wouldn't have known they weren't commentating from the Tour this year if they hadn't chosen to be open about it.
  • ddraver
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    The next phase of this is realising that, these days, they're commenting from a studio that looks like this...


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  • RichN95.
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    Wait until you find out that there has never been a cyclist called Adam Blythe. He’s entirely CGI
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
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    RichN95. said:

    Wait until you find out that there has never been a cyclist called Adam Blythe. He’s entirely CGI

    That actually answers more questions than it raises.
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  • Pross
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    It would explain the shirts.
  • daniel_b
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    edited July 2022
    andyrac said:

    Looks like he's doing the Vuelta.......oh marvellous.

    Apart from that, I think the Eurosport/GCN coverage of cycling is evolving, and improving - and not before time. With WB/Discovery now owning them, there's no need for it to feel 'budget'.

    However, I don't get the thinking behind the 'Cube' and studio based commentary. Why? What is wrong with presenting/ commentating from the venue, like ITV has been doing?
    It made sense under Covid, but not anymore - just comes across as cutting costs.

    ah crapola, what a shame - I could have sworn Hatch had covered this in the past, I know he lives in Spain right?

    At least in the Tour we had some respite from him - no escape for this now, maybe it won't be worth watching anyhow.

    Even the newish chap, Jez Hunt (?) would be better than kirby, and would be good to give a newcomer a chance to see if they can build something up during a 3 week race.
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  • DeVlaeminck
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    ddraver said:

    The next phase of this is realising that, these days, they're commenting from a studio that looks like this...




    :o

    Just watched a video on it - yes a bit of an eye opener - in my defence I'd never actually stopped to consider the technical aspects.
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  • pinno
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    That means we'll never see Orla in green.
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  • bm5
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    Well I was looking forward to the Vuelta. Maybe brush up on my French for their commentary!
  • daniel_b
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    edited July 2022
    Philipsen took the final stage 'on the throw' according to kirby :D



    From his shadow I guess.
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
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    pinno said:

    That means we'll never see Orla in green.

    Go figure - this from today's Femmes coverage

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  • pinno
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    Maybe they have a proper studio and the background is not super-imposed.
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  • bianchi_dave
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    pinno said:

    Maybe they have a proper studio and the background is not super-imposed.

    No, definitely in the 'cube'. There have been some issues today with Orla's green top. Some of the background was visible through her torso a wee while ago!
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  • DeVlaeminck
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    Lanterne_Rogue said:

    pinno said:

    That means we'll never see Orla in green.

    Go figure - this from today's Femmes coverage

    Apparently it doesn't count as green screen it's just large led screens making up the wall and floors - the floor screen has a protective cover/coating. Ive no idea technically what the difference is but that's what the video I watched said.
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  • kingstongraham
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    You'll be telling me that cyclist they had climbing up various gradients isn't real next.
  • Pross
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    kingstongraham said:

    You'll be telling me that cyclist they had climbing up various gradients isn't real next.

    Or that Orla is just an avatar to bring in sad, deluded middle-aged men (like those that comment on her IG posts all the time seemingly hoping she'll strike up a conversation with them).
  • jimmythecuckoo
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    daniel_b said:

    andyrac said:

    L

    Even the newish chap, Jez Hunt (?) would be better than kirby, and would be good to give a newcomer a chance to see if they can build something up during a 3 week race.

    Jez Cox. I like him... but I bet some on here would tire of his fish news fairly quickly.
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  • stage_hunter
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    andyrac said:

    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.

    The ones on location do it all for a screen. Except for the last few hundred meters.
  • poweredbyidris
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    andyrac said:

    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.

    No cycling commentator is watching the race ‘live’. If they’re there at the race, they’re watching on monitors from inside the back of a truck which is parked in the paddock near the finish line.

    Only one i can think of where they don’t (or at least haven’t in the past) is Paris-Roubaix as they can sit in the stand and watch/call the final lap of the velodrome and the sprint live

  • andyp
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    poweredbyidris said:

    andyrac said:

    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.

    No cycling commentator is watching the race ‘live’. If they’re there at the race, they’re watching on monitors from inside the back of a truck which is parked in the paddock near the finish line.

    Only one i can think of where they don’t (or at least haven’t in the past) is Paris-Roubaix as they can sit in the stand and watch/call the final lap of the velodrome and the sprint live

    You only have to watch a single episode of De Ronde to realise this is patently untrue.
  • poweredbyidris
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    andyp said:

    poweredbyidris said:

    andyrac said:

    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.

    No cycling commentator is watching the race ‘live’. If they’re there at the race, they’re watching on monitors from inside the back of a truck which is parked in the paddock near the finish line.

    Only one i can think of where they don’t (or at least haven’t in the past) is Paris-Roubaix as they can sit in the stand and watch/call the final lap of the velodrome and the sprint live

    You only have to watch a single episode of De Ronde to realise this is patently untrue.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    rick_chasey said:

    Was showing a colleague a bit of the exciting Pog Rog Ving stage in the office as he’d missed it. I was using the sporza coverage, obviously.

    poweredbyidris said:

    andyrac said:

    You wouldn't expect other elite sports to commentate from a studio would you? I don't, it just looks like cutting costs, and not doing it properly.

    No cycling commentator is watching the race ‘live’. If they’re there at the race, they’re watching on monitors from inside the back of a truck which is parked in the paddock near the finish line.

    Only one i can think of where they don’t (or at least haven’t in the past) is Paris-Roubaix as they can sit in the stand and watch/call the final lap of the velodrome and the sprint live

    Roubaix this year it took me *far* too long to realise that the bell ringing halfway through the race wasn't a level crossing about to close, but the final lap bell for the juniors as they were broadcasting from the velodrome.

    I've got to wonder how journalists covered the pre TV years though. Presumably they interviewed a couple of riders then made the rest up over a bottle of wine or two.
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  • orraloon
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    No_Ta_Doctor said:



    I've got to wonder how journalists covered the pre TV years though. Presumably they interviewed a couple of riders then made the rest up over a bottle of wine or two.

    Sounds like the modus operandi of The Cycling Podcast.
  • blazing_saddles
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    For once not a moan about dear Carlton (3 weeks of Vuelta coming up for that) but Jez flipping Cox and his pronunciation of Limousin winner, Alex Aranburu.
    I mean, how can "buru" come out as "barrow"?

    At one point, I began to wonder who Alan Barrow rode for.....
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