Carlton Kirby

pinno · March 2023

rick_chasey said:
From my mod days there was some pretty punch legal action.

Remember on here the second the name came up the website got a message from the lawyers (may happen again)

Elaborate please.
I don't remember, no.

ddraver · March 2023

if you google "what happened to David Harmon Eurosport" the only useful thing that pops up is threads of us talking about it...

pinno · March 2023

ugo.santalucia said:
While the topic stays open for now I remind you all of the rules re. defamation

RichN95. · March 2023

rick_chasey said:
From my mod days there was some pretty punch legal action.

Remember on here the second the name came up the website got a message from the lawyers (may happen again)

You're the one who called him a nonce. However, I can say, without legal threats, that David Walsh gave a character witness to an Irish court in defence of a convicted nonce at the same time he was condemning Chris Froome for using asthma meds.

Say what you like about Kirby, but he seems like a real good person.

DeVlaeminck · March 2023

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:
From my mod days there was some pretty punch legal action.

Remember on here the second the name came up the website got a message from the lawyers (may happen again)
Elaborate please.
I don't remember, no.

He was caught out by one of these groups commonly referred to as paedophile hunters.

I can't remember what the outcome was - whether he faced any charges - but the group posted the transcript of the alleged chat on their web page.

rick_chasey · March 2023

RichN95. said:

rick_chasey said:
From my mod days there was some pretty punch legal action.

Remember on here the second the name came up the website got a message from the lawyers (may happen again)
You're the one who called him a nonce. However, I can say, without legal threats, that David Walsh gave a character witness to an Irish court in defence of a convicted nonce at the same time he was condemning Chris Froome for using asthma meds.

Say what you like about Kirby, but he seems like a real good person.

You’re the one who named him!

pinno · March 2023

DeVlaeminck said:

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:
From my mod days there was some pretty punch legal action.

Remember on here the second the name came up the website got a message from the lawyers (may happen again)
Elaborate please.
I don't remember, no.
He was caught out by one of these groups commonly referred to as paedophile hunters.

I can't remember what the outcome was - whether he faced any charges - but the group posted the transcript of the alleged chat on their web page.

Thanks.
I see. So we don't know if the sh*t stuck because it was sh*t or because it was actual sh*t.

rick_chasey · March 2023

Either way, he disappeared from the job without a trace. Was about 10 years ago now.

pinno · March 2023

RichN95. said:

rick_chasey said:
From my mod days there was some pretty punch legal action.

Remember on here the second the name came up the website got a message from the lawyers (may happen again)
Say what you like about Kirby, but he seems like a real good person.

That got me thinking.
Kirby is a real person whereas Hatch is an AI bot.

...camera 6 (at the back)

"Oh dear [insert ref 161 lookup] has been dropped. It looks like [gender lookup 161] day is over. [gender] won't be coming back... [gender lookup] day is over.
"[camera 2] Meanwhile at the front there is a devastating attack [repeat x 3]. [gender lookup 004] two three four bike lengths clear. This is [insert ref 004 lookup ref team lookup ref nationality lookup] going for glory [insert previous results] (lookup 004 was caught) [syntax error] "...this will go down in the history books... oh no [gender lookup] been caught by a devastating attack from [lookup 623] and if [gender lookup] wins, it will be the first time a [nationality lookup][insert ref lookup 1526489] has won since [year lookup wiki] this will go down in the history books... we'll be talking about this for years to come"...

001 MvdP
002 WvA
004 Joooooli on Alaphilippe
161 Jens Kookelayre
1526489 Frederico Ba*ch*amontes

Well, they say AI is the future.
Perhaps he need's a scoosh of WD40 before start up and a 115v continental adapter plug.

orraloon · March 2023

pinno said:

"The first time in 4 decades that a Dutchman has won..."

No, 34 years. That's 6 years short of 4 decades.

Erm, pernickity point for Mr Pernickity. There is an audio clip of Hatch used in the Arrivée episode of The Cycling Podcast which has him saying "first time in nearly 4 decades..."

pinno · March 2023

orraloon said:

pinno said:

"The first time in 4 decades that a Dutchman has won..."

No, 34 years. That's 6 years short of 4 decades.

Erm, pernickity point for Mr Pernickity. There is an audio clip of Hatch used in the Arrivée episode of The Cycling Podcast which has him saying "first time in nearly 4 decades..."

Yawn.
I know it's raining and you're bored but...

pinno · March 2023

Maybe it's the same AI bot that picks Orla's outfit everyday in the GT's from a colour chart linked to a 3d printer.

rick_chasey · March 2023

Her outfits are great, will not accept any other views, as are Adam's

pinno · March 2023

rick_chasey said:
Her outfits are great, will not accept any other views, as are Adam's

Orla is brilliant.
Her outfits... not sure. Watch when she's wearing a short skirt she will be quite self conscious and cross her legs all the time. That cannot be comfortable for her.
I think it must be 10x harder for a female in the spotlight like that on a daily basis. She cannot wear the same outfit twice without probably being on the end of criticism (as most women can't). She has to look good.
Blokes can chuck on a pair of jeans and whatever on top but women can't.
Well, actually Orla could. She could wear a bin liner and look good but you know what i'm saying.

Adam is one of those guys who can wear what he likes. Put Dan Lloyd in a Hawaiian shirt and he'd look like a gammon in the sun.

andyp · March 2023

I'm still amazed that only Mark Cavendish has kicked off about "internet forum people". For anyone working in the cycling media, especially women, it's relentless.

pinno · March 2023

andyp said:
I'm still amazed that only Mark Cavendish has kicked off about "internet forum people". For anyone working in the cycling media, especially women, it's relentless.

...and I do not understand this.

Pross · March 2023

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:
Her outfits are great, will not accept any other views, as are Adam's
Orla is brilliant.
Her outfits... note sure. Watch when she's wearing a short skirt she will be quite self conscious and cross her legs all the time. That cannot be comfortable for her.
I think it must be 10x harder for a female in the spotlight like that on a daily basis. She cannot wear the same outfit twice without probably being on the end of criticism (as most women can't). She has to look good.
Blokes can chuck on a pair of jeans and whatever on top but women can't.
Well, actually Orla could. She could wear a bin liner and look good but you know what i'm saying.

Adam is one of those guys who can wear what he likes. Put Dan Lloyd in a Hawaiian shirt and he'd look like a gammon in the sun.

If you look at her social media it's pretty obvious she wears what she wants and she's pretty vocal about not giving a toss what anyone thinks of her choices. I can't imagine her putting up with wearing anything just because she is trying to conform or it is what someone has says she needs to be wearing. There are plenty of tvvats who make comments about what she wears and she is not scared to, rightly, tell them where to go.

pinno · March 2023

Pross said:

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:
Her outfits are great, will not accept any other views, as are Adam's
Orla is brilliant.
Her outfits... note sure. Watch when she's wearing a short skirt she will be quite self conscious and cross her legs all the time. That cannot be comfortable for her.
I think it must be 10x harder for a female in the spotlight like that on a daily basis. She cannot wear the same outfit twice without probably being on the end of criticism (as most women can't). She has to look good.
Blokes can chuck on a pair of jeans and whatever on top but women can't.
Well, actually Orla could. She could wear a bin liner and look good but you know what i'm saying.

Adam is one of those guys who can wear what he likes. Put Dan Lloyd in a Hawaiian shirt and he'd look like a gammon in the sun.
If you look at her social media it's pretty obvious she wears what she wants and she's pretty vocal about not giving a toss what anyone thinks of her choices. I can't imagine her putting up with wearing anything just because she is trying to conform or it is what someone has says she needs to be wearing. There are plenty of tvvats her make comments about what she wears and she is not scared to, rightly, tell them where to go.

Fair play to her then.

daniel_b · March 2023

100% @Pross , she is fully in charge of what she wears, and gives zero effs as to what anyone thinks or says, though the comments posted about her from both male and females are pretty shocking to me, but I guess that's how things are these days.

With regards to Hatch / Kirby.

I much prefer Hatch (and his pronunciations), his commentary and knowledge about the sport and it's history.
I find him generally pretty accurate, though I have heard him flag up when he makes a mistake, though I'm not saying he does that every single time.

I like the way he repeats some stuff for significant events, like for example when a main GC contender goes pop on a climb, but that might be because I find myself doing the same thing

He comes across to me as a natural fan of the sport, and he seems to gel well with pretty much everyone I have heard him commentate with - Blythe being one of the highlights, though he is an absolute star with regards to enthusiasm paired with my type of humour.

Clearly we all like different things in a commentator, so I can see why they are on a hiding to nothing really - kirby has a pretty big following I think, so they are bound to carry on employing him.

The only time I have not liked hatch, I forget the specific event, but it was either mountain biking, or CX, but he clearly didn't really get it, and it was all a bit flat - however I would rather that than feigned enthusiasm which I can see through pretty easily.

kirby for me repeats himself a lot year to year, I'm talking about:
- roundabouts
- wells that had oil in them
- Olive oil
- tooting on bidons
- Terrible punning on riders names

And that's without going on about riders who might not even be in the race, or simply mis-identifying a rider completely.

I never heard of the chap you are discussing above, so have nothing to compare against, but if he's been and gone, then it's a moot point I guess.

I was starting to think last year that Jez Hunt (I think that is his name) had potential, but I heard him on a week long stage race earlier this year, and he had not improved imho, but gone the other way, his delivery style was starting to remind me of kirby alas.

Also not a fan of (I think his name is) Anthony McCrossan - both his tone of voice (Which he can't help, and for the record I hate the sound of my own voice as well) and his commentary style, but he doesn't seem to be on that much anymore.

In summary, when I hear kirby commentating on a live race my heart sinks, and my enjoyment I know will be throttled, but when I hear hatch with another sidekick, I know I'm going to likely enjoy what they have to say and be mostly well informed throughout.

I really struggle to fathom how anyone could prefer kirby to hatch - but that there is why we are all so different in a nutshell :-)

pinno · March 2023

daniel_b said:

...but that there is why we are all so different in a nutshell :-)

Thus ^.

Hatch is like a cheese grater being pulled through my head and Kirby is like a luke warm cup of tea.

I prefer the Tea.

Still cannot fathom the antipathy towards Orla (or any female presenter) and that's what we should be talking about.

Pross · March 2023

pinno said:

daniel_b said:

...but that there is why we are all so different in a nutshell :-)
Thus ^.

Hatch is like a cheese grater being pulled through my head and Kirby is like a luke warm cup of tea.

I prefer the Tea.

Still cannot fathom the antipathy towards Orla (or any female presenter) and that's what we should be talking about.

The cr@p she gets online is ridiculous but she deals with it very well. The one that seems to really annoy her is criticism of her as a parent when she's away for an extended period covering races. By contrast I didn't hear anyone criticising McEwen or Blythe for being away from their kids. There is still a surprisingly large element of men who can't get their heads around a woman presenting sport on TV and women who either seem to want to live in a 1950s universe where the little woman stays at home or are jealous. Then there's all the vomit inducing middle-aged men who seem to think if they post comments about how good she looks they might get lucky!

pinno · March 2023

I do not follow any celeb/sports person on social media and I am glad of it.

TheBigBean · March 2023

Pross said:

pinno said:

daniel_b said:

...but that there is why we are all so different in a nutshell :-)
Thus ^.

Hatch is like a cheese grater being pulled through my head and Kirby is like a luke warm cup of tea.

I prefer the Tea.

Still cannot fathom the antipathy towards Orla (or any female presenter) and that's what we should be talking about.

The cr@p she gets online is ridiculous but she deals with it very well. The one that seems to really annoy her is criticism of her as a parent when she's away for an extended period covering races. By contrast I didn't hear anyone criticising McEwen or Blythe for being away from their kids. There is still a surprisingly large element of men who can't get their heads around a woman presenting sport on TV and women who either seem to want to live in a 1950s universe where the little woman stays at home or are jealous. Then there's all the vomit inducing middle-aged men who seem to think if they post comments about how good she looks they might get lucky!

I'm not an avid Twitter user, but don't most famous people get comments made about them on Twitter? The thing I don't understand is why famous people bother to read comments about themselves.

pinno · March 2023

Given the risk of criticism, why do people of note post on Social media?

Pross · March 2023

TheBigBean said:

Pross said:

pinno said:

daniel_b said:

...but that there is why we are all so different in a nutshell :-)
Thus ^.

Hatch is like a cheese grater being pulled through my head and Kirby is like a luke warm cup of tea.

I prefer the Tea.

Still cannot fathom the antipathy towards Orla (or any female presenter) and that's what we should be talking about.

The cr@p she gets online is ridiculous but she deals with it very well. The one that seems to really annoy her is criticism of her as a parent when she's away for an extended period covering races. By contrast I didn't hear anyone criticising McEwen or Blythe for being away from their kids. There is still a surprisingly large element of men who can't get their heads around a woman presenting sport on TV and women who either seem to want to live in a 1950s universe where the little woman stays at home or are jealous. Then there's all the vomit inducing middle-aged men who seem to think if they post comments about how good she looks they might get lucky!
I'm not an avid Twitter user, but don't most famous people get comments made about them on Twitter? The thing I don't understand is why famous people bother to read comments about themselves.

I don’t use Twitter so only see what’s on Instagram which I always think of being the kindest of social media apps. I don’t think I’d use any of them if I was in the public eye but I guess they go with the turf a bit. If you are using them it must be impossible to not see any comments. I suppose you could turn off comments though. She doesn’t respond that often but when she does it is usually done politely but firmly.

takethehighroad · March 2023

Carlton's new favourite annoyance is adding "let" to the end of a noun describing the perceived challenge ahead. In the last few weeks I've heard peaklet, ramplet and humplet

daniel_b · March 2023

takethehighroad said:
Carlton's new favourite annoyance is adding "let" to the end of a noun describing the perceived challenge ahead. In the last few weeks I've heard peaklet, ramplet and humplet

adorable.

rick_chasey · March 2023

pinno said:
Given the risk of criticism, why do people of note post on Social media?

I think sometimes people like to get their side of the story out

poweredbyidris · March 2023

takethehighroad said:
Carlton's new favourite annoyance is adding "let" to the end of a noun describing the perceived challenge ahead. In the last few weeks I've heard peaklet, ramplet and humplet

Were they playing with, engaging with, or conjuring with these '-lets'?

Pross · March 2023

Hatch has taken on board Pinno's criticism of him saying everything twice and has addressed it by doing it three times instead.

Carlton Kirby

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