The Hour *** spoilers ***

RichN95.

I hope they get Boardman in to do the summarizer's role. He knows the event and Jens.

pinno

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Guesses about Jens?

I'd say a long 47 Km or a short 48... I think he'll be roughly a mile off pace from Sosenka...

You do know that posting just to increase your post count is against the rules?

Back on topic:
Is there a date and a time yet for the Eurosport coverage?

RichN95.

pinarello001 wrote:

Back on topic:
Is there a date and a time yet for the Eurosport coverage?

18 September (the day we get rid of Scotland). The attempt is scheduled to start at 7pm CET (6pm UK).

pinno

RichN95 wrote:

pinarello001 wrote:

Back on topic:
Is there a date and a time yet for the Eurosport coverage?

18 September (the day we get rid of Scotland). The attempt is scheduled to start at 7pm CET (6pm UK).

Cheers.

cougie

What is allowed now ? I've lost track and Innrrng isnt opening for me.

Any standard bike frame ? So you can go aero - you don't need the round tubes that Hutch and Boardman needed ?
Or can you have full TT frame ?
Disc Wheels ?
Tri bars ?

RichN95.

cougie wrote:

What is allowed now ? I've lost track and Innrrng isnt opening for me.

Any standard bike frame ? So you can go aero - you don't need the round tubes that Hutch and Boardman needed ?
Or can you have full TT frame ?
Disc Wheels ?
Tri bars ?

Any bike that meets UCI track (or road TT) rules, I think. So definitely everything you said. But no Obree positions or monocoque frames. Or indeed motors.

inseine

RichN95 wrote:

cougie wrote:

What is allowed now ? I've lost track and Innrrng isnt opening for me.

Any standard bike frame ? So you can go aero - you don't need the round tubes that Hutch and Boardman needed ?
Or can you have full TT frame ?
Disc Wheels ?
Tri bars ?

Any bike that meets UCI track (or road TT) rules, I think. So definitely everything you said. But no Obree positions or monocoque frames. Or indeed motors.

I'm sure you don't mean monocoque, just that they need to conform to UCI regs.
You can have two discs on the track but not the road so i guess there are one or two difference between the two disciplines.
Given all this, why is the benchmark not the Moser record?

RichN95.

inseine wrote:

I'm sure you don't mean monocoque, just that they need to conform to UCI regs.

I'm not that much of an expert. I meant frames like Indurain used.

inseine wrote:

You can have two discs on the track but not the road so i guess there are one or two difference between the two disciplines.
Given all this, why is the benchmark not the Moser record?

I don't know all the rules but appearently none of the bikes riden by Moser, Obree, Indurain, Boardman or Rominger meet the current regulations. The wheels have to be the same size is one rule that I have seen mentioned.

Paul 8v

So he only has to beat Sosenka's record of 49.700 which was done on a (Seriously tweeked) drop bar track bike.

When Boardman got the record in '93 it was 52.270 on that hideous looking Corima thing, that's probably a closer match to what Jens will be riding than the later attemps in the superman pose and aerodynamics have come on a fair bit in 21 years.

Surely Jens should be able to smash Sosenka's time on a modern persuit bike? (Even with the dubious authenticity of Sosenka's current record, Jens is a much better rider than he was?)

Assuming Boarman was in peak fitness for his attempts, the difference between the Corima and the "Merckx" bike was 2.829 km/h, that's a fair difference.

Sosenka's tweeked bike and position:
http://www.chinabike.net/newbbs/UploadF ... 734865.jpg

http://img.radio.cz/pictures/ctk0507/sosenka3.jpg


The old Frames like the Pinarello Indurain used or Boarman's Lotus (Badged a Merckx) were monocoques but a diamond frame can be a monocoque too, it just means it's "one piece" I believe the UCI rulings have more to do with frame shapes (Must be a diamond) and tube profiles must conform to certain ratios

cougie

I remember the last moser bike had a rear wheel so big it came through the seat tube. Bizarre.

So the athletes hour will be broken - tribars alone would let that happen.

The Superman position hour won't be.

It's all a bit messy. They should just have kept it to the athlets hour - then at least its pretty comparable.

RichN95.

I think the problem was that 89-96 was an unprecedented period of revolutionary design and it caught the UCI on the hop. The technology was overshadowing the athlete and they wanted to redress the balance, but by then Obree and Boardman had taken taken innovation further than the point that the UCI were happy with, thereby making the record unbreakable.
So they reset it to Merckx's record, but no-one had the impetus to go for it as it didn't fit in with the rest of the season and without the innovation aspect bike manufacturers weren't interested in backing it.
But now the rules have settled down and allow for innovation but not the revolution of the 90s, the manufacturers are intersted again - with Trek leading the way (Voigt is just a trial run for Cancellara).

inseine

Moser did 51.151 on this. The new rules allow a way more aero set up

Daz555

Barking:

Daz555

Hideous:

Daz555

Glorious (bars aside):

cougie

I loved that Corima. Doesn't look that aerodynamic now though.

A guy at the bike cafe bought the road version lotus bike - i think off Boardman. Was beautiful.

dennisn

I'm not following why anyone cares if the bike is hideous or not. :? It's the record that matters. Right? :? If the bike is within whatever rules are set up, by whomever, then hideous or not it got the job done.

The_Boy

I don't think it matters as such, but sometimes a piece of design is so beautiful, a movement so finessed that is difficult not doff ones cap. And sometimes the opposite is the case. One doesn't even need to be able to put it into words - it just is.

Sometimes it just has a certain je ne sais quois. A FF-Factor if you will.

danlikesbikes

The record is what matters, but for manufacturers if they can get the record and have a stunning bike for adverts they can build sales on the back of people's desire to own the same/similar model.

After all we are all vein at some level and when it comes down to it all of our equipment is not purchased solely on a function basis only.

Paul 8v

dennisn wrote:

I'm not following why anyone cares if the bike is hideous or not. :? It's the record that matters. Right? :? If the bike is within whatever rules are set up, by whomever, then hideous or not it got the job done.

Because the Lotus one did it better and it looked the Bo**ocks, that's why. When I was a kid I had a picture of the Lotus on my wall. If I'd had the Corima I wouldn't have been able to sleep at night

A true excellent piece of design performs a function whilst looking beautiful, lets not get in to this again, it's about the hour record...

I'm looking forward to seeing what Jensies' bike looks like, if it doesn't say SHUT UP LEGS on the down tube in massive letters I will be disappointed (I would forgive SHUT UP HOUR)

pinno

Here we go, seen as few clicked on my link - the lazy barstewards.

Unified Rule Change
In 2014 the UCI unified the two classifications into a single classification in line with regulations for current track pursuit bikes. Records previously removed for Chris Boardman and Graeme Obree would be returned, however the current record would remain at 49.700 km set in 2005 by Ondrej Sosenka, even though that is not the furthest distance. Under the new regulations any bike can be used that conforms to UCI standards, including track bikes, however riders would be expected to be part of the Athlete Biological Passport Program.

dennisn

No one speculating whether he will give it more than one shot? In case the first attempt doesn't hit the mark after a certain time over a given distance? Fight another day sort of thing?

Paul 8v

madasahattersley wrote:

Just seen a pic of Sozenka's bike. Wow. 190mm cranks and an unbelievably big gear for track use.

The back wheel was something like 3.5kg to act as a flywheel. Look at my link above for a picture of him riding it. If you think the bike looks weird...

pinno

madasahattersley wrote:

Just seen a pic of Sozenka's bike. Wow. 190mm cranks and an unbelievably big gear for track use.

^Can't see the image

pinno

Is the drop from saddle to handlebar for real?!?

RichN95.

pinarello001 wrote:

Is the drop from saddle to handlebar for real?!?

Here he is getting ready to start.

pinno

Very long legs, very long arms and a short body. I know where I went wrong...

I guess his anatomy is such that it is conducive to being relatively aerodynamic.

danlikesbikes

Does look less odd with him on it though, or maybe just less pronounced

mm1

madasahattersley wrote:

Just seen a pic of Sozenka's bike. Wow. 190mm cranks and an unbelievably big gear for track use.

Jaysus Luke, that's more drop than you ride. I've got prolapsed discs from just looking at it. Anyone got a picture of Coppi's hour record bike?

pinno