TDF 2013 Stage 17 TT - *Spoilers* - Embrun - Chorges
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He's right about Sensations. Two new flavours:ddraver wrote:Alberto Contador @albertocontador
Today needed very little to get it, but could not be, sensations continue to improve, this is good. Now,3 hard days ahead. #thankstoall
He's gonna flipping peak for the Champs Elysees at this rate....
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disgruntledgoat wrote:Above The Cows wrote:ddraver wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:Pross: Yes that was excatly what I meant with point 2. Today was road -> TT, but it could be just as likely TT -> road for an uphill finish.
I agree, I don't like pit stop strategy that much, but the sport is fairly tech driven, so I guess we're probably stuck with it.
On pushing, it doesn't have any place in a TT. It's fair enough if you get shoved into a ditch when the peloton is strung out, but there's no group to catch here. Mechanicals, crashes, pit stop bike changes, they should all be under rider's own power and classified under "racing incident".
Incidentally, out of the top ten finishers today, who aside from the Saxo riders didn't swap bikes? Want to quantify their time loss for genius Bjarne.
Hmmm, that could be an idea - Have specific "pit lanes" where we could see the riders change bikes. Then we could have the extra tactical quandry of what bike to pick on what part of the course, plus the extra dimension of how well the teams practice the bike change!
Could make TT's interesting!
But I think they should have to run at least 10 metres and jump a log to get from one bike to the next while someone spays slippy foam all over the ground.
EDIT - I've just had visions of Andy Schleck doing this and it made me laugh out loud. Poor Andy.
I hate to keep doing this, but they have those pit lanes. It's called Cyclocross.
Yay! I was hoping you'd take the bait. I even mentioned the log Correlation is not causation.0 -
Francuspugnator. Risum ex magna!brookter wrote:Salvete amici.
Caecilius in horto (ablativus) est, non in hortum (accusativus).
Et puto una Quintana, duae Quintanae...
Francuspugnator Froomumcanum non amat, sed periniustus et luscus est. Francuspugnator belua improba est!
Valete,
Lanterna Rubra.
What does 'periniustus' mean?0 -
Lichtblick wrote:Can someone please explain to me why it is widely acceptable to praise Froome and Sky just because they are British and widely heap scorn and sarcasm and withering contempt upon someone who wants to see Contador doing well?
There must be some back-story here. I want AC to do well and YES, win. But my posts don't attract anywhere near the opprobrium which storms down upon (probably the only) other AC supporter.
Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now??? Also, what is wrong with supporting a British team if you are British?????
The Basques support there team, the Aussies support there team, no difference for the Brits. 0 -
True fans of cycling can take a Quintanum of Solace from the number of riders having another 'rest' day. Tremendous parcours to come. A racer in yellow with such a weak team that he should be put to the question to chase solo at least once. And in pursuit a rider guilty of serial audacity.
Lichtblick: Many people on this Forum, me included, admire Contador for his fighting spirit and racing style. Funnily enough, the same reasons we admire Froome. Nationality has nothing to do with it. It's a great pity that he couldn't bring better form into this race, turning into a stone-cold classic. I assume Contador is riding clean now. Other posters are less forgiving of all the shenanigans surrounding his attempts to evade a ban for doping.
And I can't believe you don't see a difference between your 'Forum demeanour' and FF's more belligerent style...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
ddraver wrote:Lichtblick wrote:Can someone please explain to me why it is widely acceptable to praise Froome and Sky just because they are British and widely heap scorn and sarcasm and withering contempt upon someone who wants to see Contador doing well?
There must be some back-story here. I want AC to do well and YES, win. But my posts don't attract anywhere near the opprobrium which storms down upon (probably the only) other AC supporter.
Because your posts are never as blind, insulting, inappropriate, rude, downright wrong or patronising as "the other AC supporter"
Thanks for the polite reply, DD.
Can I presume, then, that should CF suffer some bizarre/grotesque/unfortunate malfunction/health issue in the next couple of days OR IS just plain beaten, and lose the Yellow, that it would be acceptable to be (why be coy, just say it) pleased that AC assumes that colour?
Probably not. You'd all/mostly just flame that he's cheating somehow.
Seems a shame. IMO.
Oh well, on with the race.0 -
DeadCalm wrote:
Francuspugnator. Risum ex magna!brookter wrote:Salvete amici.
Caecilius in horto (ablativus) est, non in hortum (accusativus).
Et puto una Quintana, duae Quintanae...
Francuspugnator Froomumcanum non amat, sed periniustus et luscus est. Francuspugnator belua improba est!
Valete,
Lanterna Rubra.
What does 'periniustus' mean?
Per intensifies an adjective, so periniustus is 'very unfair'…
And that should be FroomumcanEm. Mea maxima culpa!0 -
That is libellous.mike6 wrote:Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now???Also, what is wrong with supporting a British team if you are British?????
Why support purely on nationality? Makes no sense to me.The Basques support there team, the Aussies support there team, no difference for the Brits.
That's "support their team".
There
Their
They're
All sound the same but mean completely different things. :shock:0 -
Lichtblick wrote:ddraver wrote:Lichtblick wrote:Can someone please explain to me why it is widely acceptable to praise Froome and Sky just because they are British and widely heap scorn and sarcasm and withering contempt upon someone who wants to see Contador doing well?
There must be some back-story here. I want AC to do well and YES, win. But my posts don't attract anywhere near the opprobrium which storms down upon (probably the only) other AC supporter.
Because your posts are never as blind, insulting, inappropriate, rude, downright wrong or patronising as "the other AC supporter"
Thanks for the polite reply, DD.
Can I presume, then, that should CF suffer some bizarre/grotesque/unfortunate malfunction/health issue in the next couple of days OR IS just plain beaten, and lose the Yellow, that it would be acceptable to be (why be coy, just say it) pleased that AC assumes that colour?
Probably not. You'd all/mostly just flame that he's cheating somehow.
Seems a shame. IMO.
Oh well, on with the race.
The former - You can expect many of us to be very disappointed
The latter - you can expect whoever rips it from his shoulders to get a lot of respect, but also receive the same scrutiny that Froome has done for the last 2 weeks yes...Only fair isnt it?
Personally i am very even handed in my opinion of dopers. I dislike them all equally and hope they all get minor mechanicals that remove them from every race they enter as Karmic retribution for their abuse of the sport we love
I'm not sure what in my reply was that impolite actually....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I dislike ALL unrepentant drug cheats - Contador being no 2 on the list after Vino but at least he isn't racing anymore.
Anyway having ridden the Etape - if ever there was a stage for a mad solo effort that is it - could go down to the wire this one - hope not as Froome deserves to win this one. 3 stage wins so far - Contador didn't even manage 1 the last time he won/got it taken away from him, ok he gave one away but panache... please...0 -
brookter wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Francuspugnator. Risum ex magna!brookter wrote:Salvete amici.
Caecilius in horto (ablativus) est, non in hortum (accusativus).
Et puto una Quintana, duae Quintanae...
Francuspugnator Froomumcanum non amat, sed periniustus et luscus est. Francuspugnator belua improba est!
Valete,
Lanterna Rubra.
What does 'periniustus' mean?
Per intensifies an adjective, so periniustus is 'very unfair'…
And that should be FroomumcanEm. Mea maxima culpa!
I can't get Francuspugnator.
French.....geerraaahh?!?!?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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You really should have just stopped after that first paragraph, not doing yourself any favours here...Lichtblick wrote:Can I presume, then, that should CF suffer some bizarre/grotesque/unfortunate malfunction/health issue in the next couple of days OR IS just plain beaten, and lose the Yellow, that it would be acceptable to be (why be coy, just say it) pleased that AC assumes that colour?
Probably not. You'd all/mostly just flame that he's cheating somehow.
Seems a shame. IMO.
Oh well, on with the race.0 -
"Lichtblick" is German for "looking for an argument".0
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Double post. Why? Don't know. Must be Safari being silly. Sorry.0
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Lichtblick wrote:
That is libellous.mike6 wrote:Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now???
No it isn't. Failed a test. Didn't serve 2 years, federation went through all sorts to get him off.
As for if he were to win the Tour, so be it. By the rules, he's done his time and I like to think he rides clean now. It's just annoying when a guy with so much clout in the sport gets caught and does absolutely nothing to try and mend the rotten system he grew up in."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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ddraver wrote:Lichtblick wrote:Can someone please explain to me why it is widely acceptable to praise Froome and Sky just because they are British and widely heap scorn and sarcasm and withering contempt upon someone who wants to see Contador doing well?
There must be some back-story here. I want AC to do well and YES, win. But my posts don't attract anywhere near the opprobrium which storms down upon (probably the only) other AC supporter.
Because your posts are never as blind, insulting, inappropriate, rude, downright wrong or patronising as "the other AC supporter"
Don't forget childish DD0 -
Oh I'm also afraid I have absoluteness no problem supporting the British Team, I do so for Rugby, Cricket, Football, Tennis, and every olympics. To pretend that cycling is somehow "above" that is a)patronisingly elitest and c)ridiculous anyway
Let's not forget that cycling is the ultimate mercenary professional sport, it could have learnt an awful lot from what cycling fans seem to view as "untersport"We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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brookter wrote:ddraver wrote:
I can't get Francuspugnator.
French.....geerraaahh?!?!?
It seems to me, as a long time lurker, that many people have that problem ;-) Pugnus = fist. Pugnator = someone who uses their fists to fight.
OHHHH!! Come on that was so obvious!!!
Shame mode
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Lichtblick wrote:
That is libellous.mike6 wrote:Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now???Also, what is wrong with supporting a British team if you are British?????
Why support purely on nationality? Makes no sense to me.The Basques support there team, the Aussies support there team, no difference for the Brits.
That's "support their team".
There
Their
They're
All sound the same but mean completely different things. :shock:
Not libelous at all, both of his samples were positive. He was banned, briefly.
I did not say it made sense I said other nations did it so why is it wrong for a Brit to do it? Better than supporting a proven cheat.
As for there or their...... who cares, you knew what I meant. Did you knot.0 -
Lichtblick wrote:Can someone please explain to me why it is widely acceptable to praise Froome and Sky just because they are British and widely heap scorn and sarcasm and withering contempt upon someone who wants to see Contador doing well?
There must be some back-story here. I want AC to do well and YES, win. But my posts don't attract anywhere near the opprobrium which storms down upon (probably the only) other AC supporter.
Because of his hypocrisy about drugs and cheatingThe UCI are Clowns and Fools0 -
Lichtblick wrote:
That is libellous.mike6 wrote:Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now???
You sir, are a douche ... AC was banned by wada ... so I'm happy to say he fulfills the criteria ... (This as someone who wanted AC to win this years TdF)0 -
Crankbrother wrote:Lichtblick wrote:
That is libellous.mike6 wrote:Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now???
You sir, are a douche ... AC was banned by wada ... so I'm happy to say he fulfills the criteria ...
I think we can do without the name calling eh?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Doh! Should have worked that out. Thanks.brookter wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Francuspugnator. Risum ex magna!brookter wrote:Salvete amici.
Caecilius in horto (ablativus) est, non in hortum (accusativus).
Et puto una Quintana, duae Quintanae...
Francuspugnator Froomumcanum non amat, sed periniustus et luscus est. Francuspugnator belua improba est!
Valete,
Lanterna Rubra.
What does 'periniustus' mean?
Per intensifies an adjective, so periniustus is 'very unfair'…
And that should be FroomumcanEm. Mea maxima culpa!0 -
Wonder if the TT bikes changed over at the top were checked for "modifications"?
Think about it, a few kilos of lead in the seat tube on a downhill course would save valuable seconds without the penalty of lugging it up a hill.
Contador may have missed a trick!0 -
Excretum tauri omnia vincit0
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disgruntledgoat wrote:Lichtblick wrote:
That is libellous.mike6 wrote:Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now???
No it isn't. Failed a test. Didn't serve 2 years, federation went through all sorts to get him off.
As for if he were to win the Tour, so be it. By the rules, he's done his time and I like to think he rides clean now. It's just annoying when a guy with so much clout in the sport gets caught and does absolutely nothing to try and mend the rotten system he grew up in.
And who still maintains he is the rightful winner of the 2010 editionThe dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Lichtblick wrote:
That is libellous.mike6 wrote:Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now???
No it isn't. Failed a test. Didn't serve 2 years, federation went through all sorts to get him off.
As for if he were to win the Tour, so be it. By the rules, he's done his time and I like to think he rides clean now. It's just annoying when a guy with so much clout in the sport gets caught and does absolutely nothing to try and mend the rotten system he grew up in.
And who still maintains he is the rightful winner of the 2010 edition
Celebrating seven grand tour victories as he won the Vuelta was not good0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:Crankbrother wrote:Lichtblick wrote:
That is libellous.mike6 wrote:Probably because Contador is a known drug cheat, but was let off by his federation with a wrist slap. If you dont believe he was doping in the past why is he not up to it now???
You sir, are a douche ... AC was banned by wada ... so I'm happy to say he fulfills the criteria ...
I think we can do without the name calling eh?
I would ordinarilly agree but shouting 'libel' against a proven doping ban is just being ... well. a douche ...
feel free to add yourself to that list with mock self-rightousness ...0
