TDF 2013 Stage 17 TT - *Spoilers* - Embrun - Chorges

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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    ddraver wrote:
    Interesting...BES saying that when Sastre made THAT attack on the Alpe, Froome was the only rider to go with him...


    I'm totally watching that DVD tonight.

    Was Froome at Barloworld that year? My only memory of them in that years Tour was Jon Lee Augustyn falling off a cliff.
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    goonz wrote:
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Movistar have just signed up Quintana's 22yr old younger brother....

    2 Quintana's got to be better than 1 right?

    If one sits on the others shoulders then the podium girls won't have to bend down so much
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Bike changing reminds me of this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e8W4oEC2Co

    (And I do think they should be allowed to change bikes if they want to. Just a bit surprised some of the changes were so bad. I would have thought a bike my the side of the road would have been quicker than having to take one off the team car...)

    True but can you imagine being the soigneur tasked with keeping hold of 9 bikes all worth 5000 minimum surrounded by a baying crowd and then trying to put the right rider on the right bike

    plus what if you puncture before the switch point?
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    oneof1982 wrote:
    Macaloon wrote:
    oneof1982 wrote:
    That's Shep, not Petra.

    Which one?


    The dog.

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  • lochindaal
    lochindaal Posts: 475
    Triathlon type bike changes next.
    Be already out your shoes on Bike 1 with the new ones ready to go on Bike 2. No push off required. Could provide some good entertainment when they muck it up!

    PS I also think they should have to stick with one type of bike from start to finish
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  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    dsoutar wrote:
    goonz wrote:
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Movistar have just signed up Quintana's 22yr old younger brother....

    2 Quintana's got to be better than 1 right?

    If one sits on the others shoulders then the podium girls won't have to bend down so much

    Lets hope he looks a little younger than Quintana
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  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    Orica Greenedge showing how do do a bike change properly in Tour de Suisse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtznjxIJ6wI - surprised Sky aren't all over this kind of thing
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    That was fun. Enjoyed it a lot more than I was expecting to when the rains came.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    It get's worse...

    he Inner Ring ‏@inrng 1m

    Péraud crashed on the very corner where his family were waiting to cheer him on, his wife could only climb over the barriers to comfort him

    :cry::cry::cry:
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Haven't bothered reading the rest of the thread, find them too depressing to bother with mostly but my take on bike changes which I suspect has been debated.

    1. Should only be allowed to change in the event of a mechanical.
    2. Should only be allowed to change for a bike of the same type.
    3. Rider should not be allowed to get a push if they decide to change.

    To be honest I wasn't sure there was enough advantage in having a TT bike for the final section to justify the time loss in changing due to the technical nature of the course but it appeared to be worth about 20 seconds compared to 10 seconds lost in the change.

    1. Impossible to enforce "the brakes were rubbing, thought I was flat, gears hopped"
    2. That would effectively ban TT bikes for most teams, or at least restrict them to their very top riders.
    3. What if they crash? Still have to start up alone? I think I could still live with it.

    1. Sort of agree but that's why I put in point 2.
    2. Not sure what you mean but assume you are referring to most riders only having one TT bike in which case a reasonable point. I'd be tempted to argue that the change from road to TT bike should be banned but I have seen other time trials with uphill finishes where riders switch from TT bike to road. I just don't like the idea of a cycling equivalent of a race being determined by pitstop strategy.
    3. I did say no push if they decide to change, the bike should be already set up in the necessary gear. At the very least any push should be restricted so that the helper can't run with the bike. Froome's change was ridiculous
  • alan_sherman
    alan_sherman Posts: 1,157
    Any news from BMC about Evan's poor ride? Is he sick? I was hoping he would at least go off on a mad attack in the third week. Did he conserve energy today to monster tomorrow, or is he sick?
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    goonz wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    goonz wrote:
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Movistar have just signed up Quintana's 22yr old younger brother....

    2 Quintana's got to be better than 1 right?

    If one sits on the others shoulders then the podium girls won't have to bend down so much

    Lets hope he looks a little younger than Quintana

    Looks remarkably like a younger version.

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  • binkybike
    binkybike Posts: 104
    GMB wrote:
    I am also a real cycling fan and can sympathise with FF.

    It's not easy when your hero is being beaten by someone over whom you have doubts.

    I remember how I felt in 2007 when Cunego beat Ricco into second place in the Giro di Lombardia - frustration wasn't the word....

    :lol::lol:
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    edited July 2013
    ddraver wrote:
    True but can you imagine being the soigneur tasked with keeping hold of 9 bikes all worth 5000 minimum surrounded by a baying crowd and then trying to put the right rider on the right bike

    plus what if you puncture before the switch point?

    You don't need to change bikes for the entire team, just your team leader. And you can still have a spare on the team car. The only downside is you would have to fix the switch point. You couldn't change it whilst the stage is taking place.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    Cav put half a minute into Evans.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    alan sherman wrote:
    Any news from BMC about Evan's poor ride? Is he sick? I was hoping he would at least go off on a mad attack in the third week. Did he conserve energy today to monster tomorrow, or is he sick?
    His twitter suggests he was taking it nice and easy. Perhaps looking to grab a stage this week.
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  • bazbadger
    bazbadger Posts: 553
    I knew I'd seen the Belkin TT riders somewhere before:

    cat-pomelo-hat-helmet.jpg
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Interesting...BES saying that when Sastre made THAT attack on the Alpe, Froome was the only rider to go with him...


    I'm totally watching that DVD tonight.

    Was Froome at Barloworld that year? My only memory of them in that years Tour was Jon Lee Augustyn falling off a cliff.

    Is that (one of )the stage(s) where Menchov did one of his inexplicable fall- off- a- bike- going- uphill tricks?
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Interesting...BES saying that when Sastre made THAT attack on the Alpe, Froome was the only rider to go with him...


    I'm totally watching that DVD tonight.

    Was Froome at Barloworld that year? My only memory of them in that years Tour was Jon Lee Augustyn falling off a cliff.

    Is that (one of )the stage(s) where Menchov did one of his inexplicable fall- off- a- bike- going- uphill tricks?

    Nah, that was the famous stage to Italy where all sorts of stuff went off. Menchov's fall, Peireiro falling off a hairpin on a descent, Evans dog and CONI deciding they'd do a little blood test on Valverde...
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    bazbadger wrote:
    I knew I'd seen the Belkin TT riders somewhere before:

    cat-pomelo-hat-helmet.jpg

    Excellent, every thread needs a picture of a cat.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • meagain
    meagain Posts: 2,331
    Tomorrow should be worth watching,,,,shame I'll be having eye surgery and won't even be able to see summary/highlights. Nor any more stages!
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  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Interesting...BES saying that when Sastre made THAT attack on the Alpe, Froome was the only rider to go with him...


    I'm totally watching that DVD tonight.

    Was Froome at Barloworld that year? My only memory of them in that years Tour was Jon Lee Augustyn falling off a cliff.
    It's rubbish. The only rider to attempt to stay with Sastre was Menchov and he blew before hairpin 20
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Above The Cows wrote:
    It get's worse...

    he Inner Ring ‏@inrng 1m

    Péraud crashed on the very corner where his family were waiting to cheer him on, his wife could only climb over the barriers to comfort him

    :cry::cry::cry:
    Oh jeez. :(
  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    Ok, I'm back from the shops - anything interesting happen while I was away. :lol:
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    dsoutar wrote:
    goonz wrote:
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Movistar have just signed up Quintana's 22yr old younger brother....

    2 Quintana's got to be better than 1 right?

    If one sits on the others shoulders then the podium girls won't have to bend down so much

    Quintani is the plural
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    I reckon it`s the bananas. I haven`t seen him eat many of them this year.
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    Here`s hoping the next few days are also exciting and that Froome does not crush all his rivals like almost every stage that mattered so far this Tour.

    Apparently Froome was thinking he was just going to be limiting his losses today so was very surprised to win. To who exactly and why? No sincerity.
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  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Apparently Froome was thinking he was just going to be limiting his losses today so was very surprised to win. To who exactly and why? No sincerity.
    Hey everyone, Mr Sunshine is back!
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Apparently Froome was thinking he was just going to be limiting his losses today so was very surprised to win. To who exactly and why? No sincerity.
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  • Runtothehills
    Runtothehills Posts: 184
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Apparently Froome was thinking he was just going to be limiting his losses today so was very surprised to win. To who exactly and why? No sincerity.

    At a guess Contador. Todays stage included a lot of technical descent as well as the ascent and Froome knew from yesterday that Contador was willing to take more risks on the descents than him; same goes for a lot of other riders that have less to lose and more to gain than Froome.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    According to the organisers there is no possibility of tomorrow's stage being shortened which will disappoint Froome who has apparently said several times he hopes the Sarenne descent will be cancelled if it rains.

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