TDF 2013 Stage 17 TT - *Spoilers* - Embrun - Chorges

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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    DeadCalm wrote:
    According to the organisers there is no possibility of tomorrow's stage being shortened which will disappoint Froome who has apparently said several times he hopes the Sarenne descent will be cancelled if it rains.
    Good news. Probably the only thing that stands in the way of Froome being in yellow come Paris, so understandable that he's not looking forward to it.
  • Runtothehills
    Runtothehills Posts: 184
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    According to the organisers there is no possibility of tomorrow's stage being shortened which will disappoint Froome who has apparently said several times he hopes the Sarenne descent will be cancelled if it rains.
    Good news. Probably the only thing that stands in the way of Froome being in yellow come Paris, so understandable that he's not looking forward to it.

    Personally I think the day after (stage 19) will be more of a problem, if the other teams can isolate Froome over the 2HC climbs at the start of the stage like they did on stage 9 it could be interesting. Tomorrow, while very tough, should be ok.
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,857
    Very excited about tomorrow.

    What is the substance behind the repeated claims that Froome is vulnerable downhill? He's no Nibali or Sanchez but I've never seen him struggling downhill. Is there really anything in this or is it just clutching at straws?
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,549
    Pross: Yes that was excatly what I meant with point 2. Today was road -> TT, but it could be just as likely TT -> road for an uphill finish.

    I agree, I don't like pit stop strategy that much, but the sport is fairly tech driven, so I guess we're probably stuck with it.

    On pushing, it doesn't have any place in a TT. It's fair enough if you get shoved into a ditch when the peloton is strung out, but there's no group to catch here. Mechanicals, crashes, pit stop bike changes, they should all be under rider's own power and classified under "racing incident".

    Incidentally, out of the top ten finishers today, who aside from the Saxo riders didn't swap bikes? Want to quantify their time loss for genius Bjarne.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,793
    meagain wrote:
    Tomorrow should be worth watching,,,,shame I'll be having eye surgery and won't even be able to see summary/highlights. Nor any more stages!

    good luck
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • meagain
    meagain Posts: 2,331
    Thank you! Mind you, I miss riding my own bike more than I do watching others ride theirs.
    d.j.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    RichN95 wrote:
    alan sherman wrote:
    Any news from BMC about Evan's poor ride? Is he sick? I was hoping he would at least go off on a mad attack in the third week. Did he conserve energy today to monster tomorrow, or is he sick?
    His twitter suggests he was taking it nice and easy. Perhaps looking to grab a stage this week.

    That's what I thought too.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,661
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Pross: Yes that was excatly what I meant with point 2. Today was road -> TT, but it could be just as likely TT -> road for an uphill finish.

    I agree, I don't like pit stop strategy that much, but the sport is fairly tech driven, so I guess we're probably stuck with it.

    On pushing, it doesn't have any place in a TT. It's fair enough if you get shoved into a ditch when the peloton is strung out, but there's no group to catch here. Mechanicals, crashes, pit stop bike changes, they should all be under rider's own power and classified under "racing incident".

    Incidentally, out of the top ten finishers today, who aside from the Saxo riders didn't swap bikes? Want to quantify their time loss for genius Bjarne.

    Hmmm, that could be an idea - Have specific "pit lanes" where we could see the riders change bikes. Then we could have the extra tactical quandry of what bike to pick on what part of the course, plus the extra dimension of how well the teams practice the bike change!

    Could make TT's interesting!

    ;)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • MrTapir
    MrTapir Posts: 1,206
    Joelsim wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    goonz wrote:
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Movistar have just signed up Quintana's 22yr old younger brother....

    2 Quintana's got to be better than 1 right?

    If one sits on the others shoulders then the podium girls won't have to bend down so much

    Quintani is the plural

    His name is actually already pluralised (for the whole family of), the singular is of course 'Quintanum'.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    ddraver wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Pross: Yes that was excatly what I meant with point 2. Today was road -> TT, but it could be just as likely TT -> road for an uphill finish.

    I agree, I don't like pit stop strategy that much, but the sport is fairly tech driven, so I guess we're probably stuck with it.

    On pushing, it doesn't have any place in a TT. It's fair enough if you get shoved into a ditch when the peloton is strung out, but there's no group to catch here. Mechanicals, crashes, pit stop bike changes, they should all be under rider's own power and classified under "racing incident".

    Incidentally, out of the top ten finishers today, who aside from the Saxo riders didn't swap bikes? Want to quantify their time loss for genius Bjarne.

    Hmmm, that could be an idea - Have specific "pit lanes" where we could see the riders change bikes. Then we could have the extra tactical quandry of what bike to pick on what part of the course, plus the extra dimension of how well the teams practice the bike change!

    Could make TT's interesting!

    ;)

    But I think they should have to run at least 10 metres and jump a log to get from one bike to the next while someone spays slippy foam all over the ground. :D

    EDIT - I've just had visions of Andy Schleck doing this and it made me laugh out loud. Poor Andy.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,661
    MrTapir wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    goonz wrote:
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Movistar have just signed up Quintana's 22yr old younger brother....

    2 Quintana's got to be better than 1 right?

    If one sits on the others shoulders then the podium girls won't have to bend down so much

    Quintani is the plural

    His name is actually already pluralised (for the whole family of), the singular is of course 'Quintanum'.


    Does nt That depend if he's the subject or the nominative?*

    (*I can't remember, Caceilius est in Hortum)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    DeadCalm wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Apparently Froome was thinking he was just going to be limiting his losses today so was very surprised to win. To who exactly and why? No sincerity.
    Cillian Kelly ‏@irishpeloton 1h
    Froome is like that annoying girl in school who said "I didn't do any study, I'm gonna do terrible in this exam….oh look I got an A+".


    But she was so cute so I still liked her anyway :wink:
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,793
    it was closer than I expected... late charge by jrod coming good in the third
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    goonz wrote:
    Not sure if this has been mentioned but Movistar have just signed up Quintana's 22yr old younger brother....

    2 Quintana's got to be better than 1 right?


    What are the odds his younger brother will look older than him :lol:
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    momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    edited July 2013
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Blah blah Froome is a bananaless poshboy who spoils races by winning blah blah

    I've missed all the Pro Race fun this year in the tour... is the post in which Frenchie finally jumps the shark, or are there better hissy fits out there?

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • airbag
    airbag Posts: 201
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Haven't bothered reading the rest of the thread, find them too depressing to bother with mostly but my take on bike changes which I suspect has been debated.

    1. Should only be allowed to change in the event of a mechanical.
    2. Should only be allowed to change for a bike of the same type.
    3. Rider should not be allowed to get a push if they decide to change.

    To be honest I wasn't sure there was enough advantage in having a TT bike for the final section to justify the time loss in changing due to the technical nature of the course but it appeared to be worth about 20 seconds compared to 10 seconds lost in the change.

    1. Impossible to enforce "the brakes were rubbing, thought I was flat, gears hopped"
    2. That would effectively ban TT bikes for most teams, or at least restrict them to their very top riders.
    3. What if they crash? Still have to start up alone? I think I could still live with it.

    1. Fair point: I'd suggest checking the bikes over, but you'd need an official on scene for every change which is ridiculous - without, it would be very easy for a mechanic to quickly create a believeable problem.

    2. Not necessarily - you'd need to know the punishment for breaking this rule. An appropriate time penalty could ensure it put you at competitive disadvantage without being so severe as to make a TT rig not worth the risk.

    (personally, I don't think much of the idea of a specialist TT bike - aerobars are fine, but if you're going to build a whole bike for aero why not just build a recumbent? - but that's for another day)
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    Caecilius! My word. The Cambridge Latin course still exists. There's even an online version where you can test yourself.


    Slightly worried I know that, but hey an afternoon in the pub watching the TT does that to you.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,793
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Blah blah Froome is a bananaless poshboy who spoils races by winning blah blah

    I've missed all the Pro Race fun this year in the tour... is the post in which Frenchie finally jumps the shark, or are there better hissy fits out there?

    its ongoing


    OT I thought the format of this TT was great more plz!!!!

    if they keep sticking in these uppy downy twisty technical TT's (had a tech tt in the giro did we not) how long before a new type of tt bike appears
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,661
    Alberto Contador ‏@albertocontador
    Today needed very little to get it, but could not be, sensations continue to improve, this is good. Now,3 hard days ahead. #thankstoall

    He's gonna flipping peak for the Champs Elysees at this rate....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    ddraver wrote:
    Alberto Contador ‏@albertocontador
    Today needed very little to get it, but could not be, sensations continue to improve, this is good. Now,3 hard days ahead. #thankstoall

    He's gonna flipping peak for the Champs Elysees at this rate....

    I think we're looking at the Eneco tour myself.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    Beating J-Rod by .72 of a second is not necessarily something to get too excited about for Contador. In a straight fight, Froome should have his measure but given all the other factors that come in to play, it could be an interesting few days in the Alps.

    DD.
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    frenchfighter wrote:
    SAD DAY FOR REAL CYCLING FANS GLOBALLY

    I hope Froome gets f ucking destroyed in the next few days

    Ha Ha Ha, you could not make this up. Is Frenchie going to scream and scream and scream till he is sick????? (I missed out the lisping)

    I love Froome and Sky, and why not, I am a Brit and Sky are a Brit team. Would you knock an Aussie for supporting Orrica? No you would not.

    Come on the boys in black, grind the cheats into the ground.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,242
    Dolan Driver wrote:
    Beating J-Rod by .72 of a second is not necessarily something to get too excited about for Contador. In a straight fight, Froome should have his measure but given all the other factors that come in to play, it could be an interesting few days in the Alps.

    DD.
    Nah, not unless you're particularly fascinated by the battle for fourth.
  • brookter
    brookter Posts: 51
    Salvete amici.

    Caecilius in horto (ablativus) est, non in hortum (accusativus).

    Et puto una Quintana, duae Quintanae...

    Francuspugnator Froomumcanum non amat, sed periniustus et luscus est. Francuspugnator belua improba est!

    Valete,

    Lanterna Rubra.
  • MrTapir
    MrTapir Posts: 1,206
    ad nauseum.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,174
    FleshTuxedo wrote:
    Very excited about tomorrow.

    What is the substance behind the repeated claims that Froome is vulnerable downhill? He's no Nibali or Sanchez but I've never seen him struggling downhill. Is there really anything in this or is it just clutching at straws?

    Presumably that stage where he lost Tirreno Adriatico?
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Above The Cows wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Pross: Yes that was excatly what I meant with point 2. Today was road -> TT, but it could be just as likely TT -> road for an uphill finish.

    I agree, I don't like pit stop strategy that much, but the sport is fairly tech driven, so I guess we're probably stuck with it.

    On pushing, it doesn't have any place in a TT. It's fair enough if you get shoved into a ditch when the peloton is strung out, but there's no group to catch here. Mechanicals, crashes, pit stop bike changes, they should all be under rider's own power and classified under "racing incident".

    Incidentally, out of the top ten finishers today, who aside from the Saxo riders didn't swap bikes? Want to quantify their time loss for genius Bjarne.

    Hmmm, that could be an idea - Have specific "pit lanes" where we could see the riders change bikes. Then we could have the extra tactical quandry of what bike to pick on what part of the course, plus the extra dimension of how well the teams practice the bike change!

    Could make TT's interesting!

    ;)

    But I think they should have to run at least 10 metres and jump a log to get from one bike to the next while someone spays slippy foam all over the ground. :D

    EDIT - I've just had visions of Andy Schleck doing this and it made me laugh out loud. Poor Andy.

    I hate to keep doing this, but they have those pit lanes. It's called Cyclocross.
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    @gietvangent
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    Can someone please explain to me why it is widely acceptable to praise Froome and Sky just because they are British and widely heap scorn and sarcasm and withering contempt upon someone who wants to see Contador doing well?

    There must be some back-story here. I want AC to do well and YES, win. But my posts don't attract anywhere near the opprobrium which storms down upon (probably the only) other AC supporter.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,661
    brookter wrote:
    Salvete amici.

    Caecilius in horto (ablativus) est, non in hortum (accusativus).

    Et puto una Quintana, duae Quintanae...

    Francuspugnator Froomumcanum non amat, sed periniustus et luscus est. Francuspugnator belua improba est!

    Valete,

    Lanterna Rubra.

    tumblr_lhqz4soO9g1qcxxyoo1_500.gif
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,661
    Lichtblick wrote:
    Can someone please explain to me why it is widely acceptable to praise Froome and Sky just because they are British and widely heap scorn and sarcasm and withering contempt upon someone who wants to see Contador doing well?

    There must be some back-story here. I want AC to do well and YES, win. But my posts don't attract anywhere near the opprobrium which storms down upon (probably the only) other AC supporter.

    Because your posts are never as blind, insulting, inappropriate, rude, downright wrong or patronising as "the other AC supporter"
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver

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