TDF 2013 Stage 17 TT - *Spoilers* - Embrun - Chorges

Macaloon

Alpe preview on ES. Moist. Surely Alberto goes for a long one, burying the hatchet in Quintana as he's towed up the second ascent?

gmb

I am also a real cycling fan and can sympathise with FF.

It's not easy when your hero is being beaten by someone over whom you have doubts.

I remember how I felt in 2007 when Cunego beat Ricco into second place in the Giro di Lombardia - frustration wasn't the word....

davidof

For Péraud his back wheel broke away when it hit some white "fan paint" on the corner. That stuff is very slippy, almost like putting diesel down on the road when it rains.

above_the_cows

Tomorrow's stage starts at 12.15 CET. Whole stage live on Eurosport

alihisgreat

Above The Cows wrote:

ALIHISGREAT wrote:

Just watching the replay of Froome's bike change.. And he certainly doesn't do it with the same bike-tossing-panache as Sir Wiggo

Panache is a gift. You have to limit the use of it. If you over use it, it gets taken away.

Perhaps that's why Bertie didn't change his bike - not enough Panache credit left to use?

Walter White

Froome sticking one up Bertie there, great to see Bertie getting these beat downs, love it.

Froome continues on his destruction of this tour, great stuff.

Jrod for the podium to hopefully.

alan_a

disgruntledgoat wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Pross wrote:

Haven't bothered reading the rest of the thread, find them too depressing to bother with mostly but my take on bike changes which I suspect has been debated.

1. Should only be allowed to change in the event of a mechanical.
2. Should only be allowed to change for a bike of the same type.
3. Rider should not be allowed to get a push if they decide to change.

To be honest I wasn't sure there was enough advantage in having a TT bike for the final section to justify the time loss in changing due to the technical nature of the course but it appeared to be worth about 20 seconds compared to 10 seconds lost in the change.

Wasnt debated on here really. Kind of agree with you. In MTBing you HAVE to finish with the same frame you start with (so if you smash the derailleur you have to replace the derailleur not just get a new bike).

As one of us posted on twitter though it would just lead to a load of mechanics holding bikes with snapped gear cables or punctures and super innocent expressions on their faces...

On the other hand, Cross worlds this year had the top guys swapping bikes most laps.

I think most only used two bikes. The bike mechanics were washing the rear mechs etc during each lap to get rid of the muck and improve transmission.

Macaloon

Above The Cows wrote:

Petra's hair has grown since Corsica.

Petra in her youth with the Blue Peter team

dsoutar

oneof1982 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

SAD DAY FOR REAL CYCLING FANS GLOBALLY

I hope Froome gets f ucking destroyed in the next few days

And another great BR contributor shoots out the back of the peloton.

You make much of being a trader. You enhance your goodwill chip stack by finding and posting interesting photos, injecting huge amounts of passion, and adding the occasionaly insight to debate (all of which I like). But you don't half waste your chips in with a load of tosh, on an incresingly regular basis.

Well I hope his trading is a lot more rational than most of his postings otherwise his P&L will be resembling Jerome Kerviel's

alan_a

Above The Cows wrote:

Tomorrow's stage starts at 12.12 CET. Whole stage live on Eurosport

Mrs has antenatal scanning appointment at 10.45am - RAGING :evil: :evil: :evil:

emadden

Pross wrote:

3. Rider should not be allowed to get a push if they decide to change.

I really have to agree with this. If you change your bike, it should be a standing start just like at the start of the TT itself. Push should only be allowed in the case of mishap and even then the push should only be enough to enable the rider clip in.

Walter White

GMB wrote:

I am also a real cycling fan and can sympathise with FF.

It's not easy when your hero is being beaten by someone over whom you have doubts.

I remember how I felt in 2007 when Cunego beat Ricco into second place in the Giro di Lombardia - frustration wasn't the word....

At least you don't act like a big girls blouse over it.

Bertie has had his time, its Froome time now, if Bertie wants to win anymore GTs he should stick to the other 2.

greasedscotsman

Above The Cows wrote:

Petra's hair has grown since Corsica.

I think everyone's will have. Won't it?

poppit

Froome, 'The Cannibal'

above_the_cows

Alan A wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Tomorrow's stage starts at 12.12 CET. Whole stage live on Eurosport

Mrs has antenatal scanning appointment at 10.45am - RAGING :evil: :evil: :evil:

You mean you didn't plan for this when, you know...

disgruntledgoat

Above The Cows wrote:

Tomorrow's stage starts at 12.12 CET. Whole stage live on Eurosport

I'm suddenly feeling a bit peaky...

No_Ta_Doctor

Pross wrote:

Haven't bothered reading the rest of the thread, find them too depressing to bother with mostly but my take on bike changes which I suspect has been debated.

1. Should only be allowed to change in the event of a mechanical.
2. Should only be allowed to change for a bike of the same type.
3. Rider should not be allowed to get a push if they decide to change.

To be honest I wasn't sure there was enough advantage in having a TT bike for the final section to justify the time loss in changing due to the technical nature of the course but it appeared to be worth about 20 seconds compared to 10 seconds lost in the change.

1. Impossible to enforce "the brakes were rubbing, thought I was flat, gears hopped"
2. That would effectively ban TT bikes for most teams, or at least restrict them to their very top riders.
3. What if they crash? Still have to start up alone? I think I could still live with it.

oneof1982

Macaloon wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Petra's hair has grown since Corsica.

Petra in her youth with the Blue Peter team

That's Shep, not Petra.

ddraver

Interesting...BES saying that when Sastre made THAT attack on the Alpe, Froome was the only rider to go with him...

alan_a

Above The Cows wrote:

Alan A wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Tomorrow's stage starts at 12.12 CET. Whole stage live on Eurosport

Mrs has antenatal scanning appointment at 10.45am - RAGING :evil: :evil: :evil:

You mean you didn't plan for this when, you know...

Stupid me. Wee one is due to arrive on first weekend of Edinburgh Fringe. FAIL!

above_the_cows

greasedscotsman wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Petra's hair has grown since Corsica.

I think everyone's will have. Won't it?

But noticeably grown, it's an expensive haircut she has, so not so easy to just pop out for a quick tidy up.

goonz

Lichtblick wrote:

Froome's black socks/bootees look HORRIBLE!

Froome looked like a wasp!

Macaloon

oneof1982 wrote:

That's Shep, not Petra.

Which one?

above_the_cows

MATTEO TRENTIN ‏@MATTEOTRENTIN 3m

Is there something where u are not strong @michalkwiatek ??

greasedscotsman

Bike changing reminds me of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e8W4oEC2Co

(And I do think they should be allowed to change bikes if they want to. Just a bit surprised some of the changes were so bad. I would have thought a bike my the side of the road would have been quicker than having to take one off the team car...)

orangepip

No tA Doctor wrote:

Pross wrote:

Haven't bothered reading the rest of the thread, find them too depressing to bother with mostly but my take on bike changes which I suspect has been debated.

1. Should only be allowed to change in the event of a mechanical.
2. Should only be allowed to change for a bike of the same type.
3. Rider should not be allowed to get a push if they decide to change.

To be honest I wasn't sure there was enough advantage in having a TT bike for the final section to justify the time loss in changing due to the technical nature of the course but it appeared to be worth about 20 seconds compared to 10 seconds lost in the change.

1. Impossible to enforce "the brakes were rubbing, thought I was flat, gears hopped"
2. That would effectively ban TT bikes for most teams, or at least restrict them to their very top riders.
3. What if they crash? Still have to start up alone? I think I could still live with it.

I think rule 2 overides your first two points, which would also negate the need for a push in circumstances other than a mechanical.

goonz

Not sure if this has been mentioned but Movistar have just signed up Quintana's 22yr old younger brother....

2 Quintana's got to be better than 1 right?

oneof1982

Macaloon wrote:

oneof1982 wrote:

That's Shep, not Petra.

Which one?

The dog.

adr82

greasedscotsman wrote:

Bike changing reminds me of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e8W4oEC2Co

(And I do think they should be allowed to change bikes if they want to. Just a bit surprised some of the changes were so bad. I would have thought a bike my the side of the road would have been quicker than having to take one off the team car...)

Isn't there a rule that says any new bikes have to come from the car rather than being pre-positioned?

above_the_cows

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Tomorrow's stage starts at 12.12 CET. Whole stage live on Eurosport

I'm suddenly feeling a bit peaky...

Oh I see what you did there. Very clever.

Obviously its 12.15 CET. I've changed it now.