TDF 2013 Stage 17 TT - *Spoilers* - Embrun - Chorges

oneof1982

goonz wrote:

What sort of time we expecting today? 40-45mins?

Book schedule is 47mins, so anything just under that, so you are about right.

ClaudeH

oneof1982 wrote:

goonz wrote:

What sort of time we expecting today? 40-45mins?

Book schedule is 47mins, so anything just under that, so you are about right.

Well if that's the case there may be quite a few people not making the cut. If the winning time is 45 minutes, 125% of that is 56'25'' which means that about 6 of the current 8 finishers would already be eliminated. Is the 25% still used for a mountain TT?

No_Ta_Doctor

Kittel completely blowing his chances of going from yellow jersey wearing triple stage winner to lanterne rouge. Shame, it would have been a magnificent achievement.

With the lanterne contenders in I can tell you that it is TIGHT AT THE BOTTOM! There's some serious action there.

mroli

I've been thinking a little bit (dangerous I know) and there is a lot of talk by people like Contador and Rodriguez about "coming into form" at the third week of the tour. It may be that they are just talking up their chances, but taken at face value - did they just get their preparation wrong so they came into form at the wrong time in the race - ie too late?

If they "found form" 2 weeks earlier - would it mean that they have started to lose form by know - if so, can we expect Froome to do so? Sky seem to trumpet the fact that their riders don't lose or find form - they just find a consistent level to perform at.

Cadel I think is suffering from Wiggins 2010 syndrome - too hard in the Giro which means although he feels ok, he is too tired for the TdF. See also Froome in last year's Vuelta after a hard TdF.

The idea of "tapering" and "peaking" is long established in cycling (and some other sports), but should this necessarily be the case?

Macaloon

Only a flesh wound :shock:

mrconde 10:40am via Web

Update on Peraud. According to @ludovandekerkov of RTL the collarbone is not broken. It's "just" a crack. Could start the stage. #TDF

frenchfighter

Monfort`s

above_the_cows

Possible broken collarbone for Péraud. Can the French catch any luck?

RideOnTime

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

or combined with a short stage day

ddraver

mroli wrote:

The idea of "tapering" and "peaking" is long established in cycling (and some other sports), but should this necessarily be the case?

I'm still fairly convinced that a lot of the talk about peaking in cycling is a result of form coming out of a fridge....

No_Ta_Doctor

mroli wrote:

I've been thinking a little bit (dangerous I know) and there is a lot of talk by people like Contador and Rodriguez about "coming into form" at the third week of the tour. It may be that they are just talking up their chances, but taken at face value - did they just get their preparation wrong so they came into form at the wrong time in the race - ie too late?

If they "found form" 2 weeks earlier - would it mean that they have started to lose form by know - if so, can we expect Froome to do so? Sky seem to trumpet the fact that their riders don't lose or find form - they just find a consistent level to perform at.

Cadel I think is suffering from Wiggins 2010 syndrome - too hard in the Giro which means although he feels ok, he is too tired for the TdF. See also Froome in last year's Vuelta after a hard TdF.

The idea of "tapering" and "peaking" is long established in cycling (and some other sports), but should this necessarily be the case?

Wrong thread for this really, though points are worth discussing.

RideOnTime

ddraver wrote:

mroli wrote:

The idea of "tapering" and "peaking" is long established in cycling (and some other sports), but should this necessarily be the case?

I'm still fairly convinced that a lot of the talk about peaking in cycling is a result of form coming out of a fridge....

Are you trying to get round a doping ban here. Sneaky.

It has made me think though of putting some forms in the fridge. Forms in the fridge, envelopes in the oven.

Daz555

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

ITT's are important to allow the guys with the biggest engines to shine.

Besides I quite enjoy having a couple of ITTs to watch. I think having a mountainous/technical TT alongside the usual flat ITTs is a good idea also.

Now when it comes to TTT - a waste of time imo.

Cleat Eastwood

Currently

O'Grady 55'24 (34.3km/h)
Kittel +26 (34.1)
Hivert 32 (34.0)
Timmer 1'33 (33.4)
Thomas. 1'43 (33.0)

ddraver

RideOnTime wrote:

ddraver wrote:

mroli wrote:

The idea of "tapering" and "peaking" is long established in cycling (and some other sports), but should this necessarily be the case?

I'm still fairly convinced that a lot of the talk about peaking in cycling is a result of form coming out of a fridge....

Are you trying to get round a doping ban here. Sneaky.

It has made me think though of putting some forms in the fridge. Forms in the fridge, envelopes in the oven.

Well no, but I suppose I see what you mean.

A) it is no secret that the tour is 3 weeks long, why would you peak for a third of it?

Why would you broadcast to your rivals that they need to put a shedload of time into you in weeks 1 and 2 (which is what Froome has done)

C) Peaking involves things like tapering - you can't taper during the biggest race of the year. Conversely what if all the sprint stages in week 1 were taken nice and slow therefore never giving you the opportunity to finish your "training"

I think it's one of those now debunked cycling traditions that comes more from covering up/explaining away cheating than any actual sports science

above_the_cows

God, you just can't escape the Tour de France. I'm trying to do some work and I get dragged into an email conversation with a group of my gay colleagues about attractive cyclists. Apparently, I was cc'd because I am deemed an 'expert' in these matters. Sigh. :? They've never shown the slightest interest in cycling before...

thomthom

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

Without TT's you'd have a bunch of riders just cruising until the last day of mountains to finally do something. They are essential for a good GT. That said, I'm not the biggest fan either.

dsoutar

Above The Cows wrote:

God, you just can't escape the Tour de France. I'm trying to do some work and I get dragged into an email conversation with a group of my gay colleagues about attractive cyclists. Apparently, I was cc'd because I am deemed an 'expert' in these matters. Sigh. :? They've never shown the slightest interest in cycling before...

is that attrractive from the front or the rear ?

On a more serious note - how technical are today's descents ?

adr82

dsoutar wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

God, you just can't escape the Tour de France. I'm trying to do some work and I get dragged into an email conversation with a group of my gay colleagues about attractive cyclists. Apparently, I was cc'd because I am deemed an 'expert' in these matters. Sigh. :? They've never shown the slightest interest in cycling before...

is that attrractive from the front or the rear ?

On a more serious note - how technical are today's descents ?

Must be relatively technical unless JC wasn't paying attention:

LeTour.fr is still awaiting news on the injuries of Peraud from his crash while training this morning. His accident happened between the two climbs that are a feature of the 17th stage. He injured his shoulder and we are yet to find out if he is to start the time trial today.

(am assuming "between the two climbs" means "on the descent from the first climb" looking at the stage profile)

Edit: and from the map it looks like there are a few sharp corners on the first descent... second one looks much easier.

Vino'sGhost

RideOnTime wrote:

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

or combined with a short stage day

Now thats something worth returning to

Vino'sGhost

ThomThom wrote:

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

Without TT's you'd have a bunch of riders just cruising until the last day of mountains to finally do something. They are essential for a good GT. That said, I'm not the biggest fan either.

Unless the lightest mountain goat can also produce more power than the other guys as well. I never understood how Armstrong managed to climb like that and do well in the time trial either

calvjones

ThomThom wrote:

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

Without TT's you'd have a bunch of riders just cruising until the last day of mountains to finally do something. They are essential for a good GT. That said, I'm not the biggest fan either.

I think ATCs colleagues need to be informed about all these cyclists cruising the mountains. They're in the wrong place in the Low Countries.

Yellow Peril

Hmm... what about a scenario whereby Porte is leading up until Froome departs? Possibility of a gifted win as a thank you?

RideOnTime

calvjones wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

Without TT's you'd have a bunch of riders just cruising until the last day of mountains to finally do something. They are essential for a good GT. That said, I'm not the biggest fan either.

I think ATCs colleagues need to be informed about all these cyclists cruising the mountains. They're in the wrong place in the Low Countries.

looking for goat with a tight ass. or an ass with tight goat.

ddraver

calvjones wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

Without TT's you'd have a bunch of riders just cruising until the last day of mountains to finally do something. They are essential for a good GT. That said, I'm not the biggest fan either.

I think ATCs colleagues need to be informed about all these cyclists cruising the mountains. They're in the wrong place in the Low Countries.

From what i ve heard, the Low Countries are one of the best places in the world to be gay...

adr82

Yellow Peril wrote:

Hmm... what about a scenario whereby Porte is leading up until Froome departs? Possibility of a gifted win as a thank you?

With the 3 stages yet to come I can't see Froome passing up any opportunity to put more time into his GC rivals, just to be safe.

Yellow Peril

Above The Cows wrote:

God, you just can't escape the Tour de France. I'm trying to do some work and I get dragged into an email conversation with a group of my gay colleagues about attractive cyclists. Apparently, I was cc'd because I am deemed an 'expert' in these matters. Sigh. :? They've never shown the slightest interest in cycling before...

Kristian House is quite attractive...just sayin.

Macaloon

Yellow Peril wrote:

Hmm... what about a scenario whereby Porte is leading up until Froome departs? Possibility of a gifted win as a thank you?

After yesterday's stage Titchy said he was saving his legs for Chris so he could stay with him for the first 50kms of the next three murderous mountain stages 8)

above_the_cows

RideOnTime wrote:

calvjones wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

Without TT's you'd have a bunch of riders just cruising until the last day of mountains to finally do something. They are essential for a good GT. That said, I'm not the biggest fan either.

I think ATCs colleagues need to be informed about all these cyclists cruising the mountains. They're in the wrong place in the Low Countries.

looking for goat with a tight ass. or an ass with tight goat.

Oh dear god what with this and talk of donkey porn on the other thread that will not be named. :shock:

This lot are in the UK as it is. It all apparently started over an argument about whether Mark Cavendish is 'fit' in the aesthetic sense. I now feel like Morpheus and I have given them the red pill. Where will it all end? Where? I'm going back to reading about passports (real ones, not blood ones).

Yellow Peril

Above The Cows wrote:

RideOnTime wrote:

calvjones wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Froboz wrote:

I was really excited for today's stage, then I remembered it was an ITT and I wanted to shoot myself in the face. Boring.

I think ITT needs to get binned, or at least have only 1 per Tour.

Without TT's you'd have a bunch of riders just cruising until the last day of mountains to finally do something. They are essential for a good GT. That said, I'm not the biggest fan either.

I think ATCs colleagues need to be informed about all these cyclists cruising the mountains. They're in the wrong place in the Low Countries.

looking for goat with a tight ass. or an ass with tight goat.

Oh dear god what with this and talk of donkey porn on the other thread that will not be named. :shock:

This lot are in the UK as it is. It all apparently started over an argument about whether Mark Cavendish [/b]is 'fit' in the aesthetic sense. I now feel like Morpheus and I have given them the red pill. Where will it all end? Where? I'm going back to reading about passports (real ones, not blood ones).

He is quite handsome but incredibly tiny. It would be like trying to sh@g an Action Man...just sayin again.

Cleat Eastwood

Any sport that talks about Mountin' Men is just asking for trouble