TDF 2013 Stage 12 ***Spoilers*** Fougeres - Tours

Lawcheehung

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

Cav being honest.

@MarkCavendish: Like I said, @marcelkittel's the new big thing. Simply better than me today. Congrats! Sorry I couldn't finish @opqscyclingteam's hard work.

Cavendish doesn't try to make excuses and always shows great sportsmanship. Just proof what a great guy he is.

dang100

Daz555 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Oops. Cav beaten with the push over the line from Kittel?

Schoolboy error Mr Cavendish.

So that's twice Cav's been pissed on in as many days

TMR

Why the Cav hate?

No_Ta_Doctor

The Mad Rapper wrote:

Why the Cav hate?

Guess he just rubs some people up the wrong way. I like him. I like Kittel too though.

LutherB

Competition is healthy and Cav sees it that way too - we're in for some great sprints over the next few years

iainf72

The Mad Rapper wrote:

Why the Cav hate?

Some of us just try to be cool like the pro's and hate him. :P

Although I sense he isn't as disliked as he used to be by his peers.

RichN95.

No tA Doctor wrote:

I like Kittel too though.

Not after what he did to Apollo Creed. Never.

Rundfahrt

RichN95 wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

I like Kittel too though.

Not after what he did to Apollo Creed. Never.

mike6

iainf72 wrote:

The Mad Rapper wrote:

Why the Cav hate?

Some of us just try to be cool like the pro's and hate him. :P

Although I sense he isn't as disliked as he used to be by his peers.

Who among his peers said they did not like Cavendish?

rick_chasey

mike6 wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

The Mad Rapper wrote:

Why the Cav hate?

Some of us just try to be cool like the pro's and hate him. :P

Although I sense he isn't as disliked as he used to be by his peers.

Who among his peers said they did not like Cavendish?

Boonen. In more words.

rick_chasey

You guys are getting rubbish at the spoiler threads.

I take 3 months in the US. Jeez.

Tempted to make spoiler threads dope chat free if this goes on.

Comment and chat about the race please.

Please refrain from baiting with dope innuendo. It's boring enough on the dope threads, let alone here.

No_Ta_Doctor

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tempted to make spoiler threads dope chat free if this goes on.

Please. Please, please, please.

alan_a

No tA Doctor wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tempted to make spoiler threads dope chat free if this goes on.

Please. Please, please, please.

Hear here

thomthom

Cav was good sport in the post interviews today. No moaning. Just accepted he was beaten by a faster man. Good.

Lichtblick

Rundfahrt wrote:

Lichtblick wrote:

That post is libellous.

Someone with 3,637 posts should know what is libel.

Based on what the powers that be here have to say, libel is decided by them and not based on the actual definition.

You are completely wrong.
Libel is decided by law.
A poster here has stated that (a certain professional rider) is a drug taker. I cannot repeat exactly what he said nor quote from it, because that would be repeating the libel.

The law on libel is that it us up to the alleger to PROVE that the person is taking drugs, and it is NOT for the rider to prove that he is not.

If I were that professional rider, I would employ people to scan public messageboards to sue their asses for posts like that one (and others too numerous to mention). This is all warned against in a stickied thread at the top of this board. Here: viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12611535

It does not matter what you think, or what I think, or what Rick thinks: the law on libel is the law, and has been well-tested in the courts. Why else do you think that that kind of flippancy is not repeated in the press?

B3rnieMac

ThomThom wrote:

Cav was good sport in the post interviews today. No moaning. Just accepted he was beaten by a faster man. Good.

I think if Renshaw does join him next year, he will be back to his consistent best. I don't think he really has confidence in Steegmans yet? That was a perfect leadout and I immediately thought "ok, there's win number 2" but after a few seconds, and he still hadn't crossed the line, i thought he had jumped way too early. And with him leaving Gert a few days ago to try to latch on to another train....

dolan_driver

RichN95 wrote:

Dolan Driver wrote:

I also make that two wins for Kittel with no victory celebration. Granted both were tight finishes but he doesn't seem to feel the need to make a big song-and-dance about these victories.

Do a google image search for him. He celebrates just the same as everyone else.

In general, yes, he celebrates just like everyone else but in his last two sprint wins on this Tour I have seen no footage of him throwing his arms in the air in celebration after crossing the line and I've seen no photos from Stage 10 or Stage 12 that show a two-handed or one-handed celebration of either victory. I did a search for images of him celebrating either victory after the finish line but I can't find any. That's not to say he didn't throw his hands in the air but I haven't seen any pictures of it. In any case, it's of little consequence, merely an observation.

Some riders will risk a crash to celebrate a win in a sprint but Kittel seems to have taken the last two wins in his stride. Gianni Bugno soloed to a stage win in the Vuelta many years ago and rolled over the line with no celebration at all. It's just not a regular occurance that races are won with no celebration. We'll see how Kittel gets on with his next stage win!

DD.

thomthom

B3rnieMac wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Cav was good sport in the post interviews today. No moaning. Just accepted he was beaten by a faster man. Good.

I think if Renshaw does join him next year, he will be back to his consistent best. I don't think he really has confidence in Steegmans yet? That was a perfect leadout and I immediately thought "ok, there's win number 2" but after a few seconds, and he still hadn't crossed the line, i thought he had jumped way too early. And with him leaving Gert a few days ago to try to latch on to another train....

Cav has won several of these 'long' sprints before. The leadout was just fine.

He does need someone added to that train, though. It doesn't really look strong at all. We can only guess how much more energy he uses in the lack of a proper train, staying in front, on wheel etc..

That said, he'd better get used to some more competition than he has been in the previous years. Some heavy guys entering the stage now.

FJS

Now, do people consider it a coincidence that the sprinter who saves himself during the race and does not contest the intermediate sprints, turns out to be the fastest at the finish?

Richmond Racer

FJS wrote:

Now, do people consider it a coincidence that the sprinter who saves himself during the race and does not contest the intermediate sprints, turns out to be the fastest at the finish?

Excellent point. Why did Cav bother with the intermediate sprint yesterday? Sagan is not going to let that jersey go. Wasted effort by Cav at this stage of the race?

No_Ta_Doctor

Richmond Racer wrote:

FJS wrote:

Now, do people consider it a coincidence that the sprinter who saves himself during the race and does not contest the intermediate sprints, turns out to be the fastest at the finish?

Excellent point. Why did Cav bother with the intermediate sprint yesterday? Sagan is not going to let that jersey go. Wasted effort by Cav at this stage of the race?

Get a solid 2nd place then have someone put Sagan into a barrier at 70kmh, innit? ;-)

goonz

Richmond Racer wrote:

FJS wrote:

Now, do people consider it a coincidence that the sprinter who saves himself during the race and does not contest the intermediate sprints, turns out to be the fastest at the finish?

Excellent point. Why did Cav bother with the intermediate sprint yesterday? Sagan is not going to let that jersey go. Wasted effort by Cav at this stage of the race?

I did think that too but at the time just thought he was going for a total maximum of points for the stage and going for the stage win too. Probably trying to prove a point from the day before...didnt quite happen for him though.

tailwindhome

Looking at the profiles for the final week I'll be seriously impressed if Greipel, Kittel and Cavendish all make it to Paris...it's going to be a brutal week for them.

goonz

TailWindHome wrote:

Looking at the profiles for the final week I'll be seriously impressed if Greipel, Kittel and Cavendish all make it to Paris...it's going to be a brutal week for them.

I think they will, albeit very slowly...

Time to find out what Schleck, Bertie and co have got up their sleeves to dethrone Froome.

Richmond Racer

goonz wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Looking at the profiles for the final week I'll be seriously impressed if Greipel, Kittel and Cavendish all make it to Paris...it's going to be a brutal week for them.

I think they will, albeit very slowly...

Time to find out what Schleck, Bertie and co have got up their sleeves to dethrone Froome.

I will be gobsmacked if Kittel makes it. Griepel and Cav have years of experience at getting through the rough stuff and making it to Paris. Kittel is the worst climber out of the three of them by some distance. And the heat is going to have a big effect. And he is a huge unit.

graeme_s-2

I've been away for a couple of days, so haven't seen any of this stage (other than the finish-line photo). What happened to Griepel, he doesn't seem to be present in the photos I've seen of the sprint finish.

ddraver

Held up in a crash Graeme, team took a pounding but not Andre...

graeme_s-2

I thought I heard something about Henderson crashing. Thanks for the info - have some ITV highlights shows to catch up with this evening!

frenchfighter