Brian Cookson to run for UCI President
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Well...erm...ish
I think it's more likely that the opens the door for a new approach from the UCI to Pro Cycling. A door that Pat and Hein have kept locked and barricaded shut! i don't think the UCI will get torn down, just maybe shrunk
It is just as possible (probably more likely) that nothing happensWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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My favourite:-Brian Cookson is just a pawn in a larger game. (The position has already been taken by you obeying orders of your predecessor.)0 -
This bit confused me:andy_wrx wrote:
• You are the defender of democratic methods. If it was so, you would not offer the UCI Vice President positions to different persons in exchange for support at the UCI Presidential elections.
I was under the impression that that was exactly how democracy worked. Bribing the electorate is the oldest democratic method in the book.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Radio interview with Brian Cookson on Irish radio sports show.
http://www.newstalk.ie/Brian-Cookson:-I ... al-cycling
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Pat's travails continue
3 members of the Swiss Cycling Federation have filed a formal appeal challenging Pat's endorsement.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/06/ ... aid_290682
CI's EGM is on Saturday, I think?0 -
didnt know whether to post this here, or in the Cycling Ireland EGM thread....But...Pat's in for an uncomfortable UCI Management Committee meeting this afternoon
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-p ... -committee
Which kind of reinforces something Will Fotheringham pointed out in a Q&A he did the other night. He was asked whether Cookson could get elected. Foth's reply was that he hoped so, and he also pointed out that British Cycling have a track record of not embarking on something they dont think they can win - and that he suspects that Cookson has done his homework and reckons he can win this. So I think there's been a lot of discussion between Cookson and his colleagues on the Management Committee...0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:didnt know whether to post this here, or in the Cycling Ireland EGM thread....But...Pat's in for an uncomfortable UCI Management Committee meeting this afternoon
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-p ... -committee
Which kind of reinforces something Will Fotheringham pointed out in a Q&A he did the other night. He was asked whether Cookson could get elected. Foth's reply was that he hoped so, and he also pointed out that British Cycling have a track record of not embarking on something they dont think they can win - and that he suspects that Cookson has done his homework and reckons he can win this. So I think there's been a lot of discussion between Cookson and his colleagues on the Management Committee...
Does it also mean that it will be done BC/Sky style with Richie Porte setting the tempo?
I must profess to not having followed this with as much enthusiasm with which I should. What I don't understand is why Pat hasn'twoken up and smelled the coffee? If your home fed don't want you (by which I mean Ireland) and your adopted fed are having second thoughts (Switzerland) and for years your name has been associated (rightly or wrongly) with all the troubles of the sport surely you'd think he'd just stand down and take his pension (which I am assuming is pretty good) instead of hanging around like some sad Eastern Bloc dictator after the wall came down.0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:didnt know whether to post this here, or in the Cycling Ireland EGM thread....But...Pat's in for an uncomfortable UCI Management Committee meeting this afternoon
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-p ... -committee
Which kind of reinforces something Will Fotheringham pointed out in a Q&A he did the other night. He was asked whether Cookson could get elected. Foth's reply was that he hoped so, and he also pointed out that British Cycling have a track record of not embarking on something they dont think they can win - and that he suspects that Cookson has done his homework and reckons he can win this. So I think there's been a lot of discussion between Cookson and his colleagues on the Management Committee...
Does it also mean that it will be done BC/Sky style with Richie Porte setting the tempo?
I must profess to not having followed this with as much enthusiasm with which I should. What I don't understand is why Pat hasn'twoken up and smelled the coffee? If your home fed don't want you (by which I mean Ireland) and your adopted fed are having second thoughts (Switzerland) and for years your name has been associated (rightly or wrongly) with all the troubles of the sport surely you'd think he'd just stand down and take his pension (which I am assuming is pretty good) instead of hanging around like some sad Eastern Bloc dictator after the wall came down.
You know Pat. He'll fight them on the beaches, in the air etc etc.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:didnt know whether to post this here, or in the Cycling Ireland EGM thread....But...Pat's in for an uncomfortable UCI Management Committee meeting this afternoon
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-p ... -committee
Which kind of reinforces something Will Fotheringham pointed out in a Q&A he did the other night. He was asked whether Cookson could get elected. Foth's reply was that he hoped so, and he also pointed out that British Cycling have a track record of not embarking on something they dont think they can win - and that he suspects that Cookson has done his homework and reckons he can win this. So I think there's been a lot of discussion between Cookson and his colleagues on the Management Committee...
Does it also mean that it will be done BC/Sky style with Richie Porte setting the tempo?
I must profess to not having followed this with as much enthusiasm with which I should. What I don't understand is why Pat hasn'twoken up and smelled the coffee? If your home fed don't want you (by which I mean Ireland) and your adopted fed are having second thoughts (Switzerland) and for years your name has been associated (rightly or wrongly) with all the troubles of the sport surely you'd think he'd just stand down and take his pension (which I am assuming is pretty good) instead of hanging around like some sad Eastern Bloc dictator after the wall came down.
You know Pat. He'll fight them on the beaches, in the air etc etc.
What I find pretty funny about Pat's bid is that one of his pledges for re-election for a 3rd time - is that he will limit UCI Presidents to 2 terms in office.0 -
From that UCI article, this is the list of people on the UCI Management Committee
UCI Vice Presidents
Hee Wook Cho (Korea),
Renato Di Rocco (Italy),
Artur Lopes (Portugal)
Members
Mohamed Wagih Azzam (Eypt),
José Manuel Peleaz (Cuba),
Tracey Gaudry (Australia),
Sheikh Faisal Bin Humaid Al Qassimi (United Arab Emirates,
Brian Cookson (Great Britian),
David Lapparient (France),
Mohamed Jamel Louafi (Tunisia),
Igor Viktorovich Makarov (Russia),
Peder Pedersen (Denmark)
Mike Plant (USA);
Honorary President Hein Verbruggen (Netherlands);
Honorary Vice Presidents
Ray Godkin (Australia),
Vladimir Holecek (Czech Republic) and
Agostino Omini (Italy).
Now read down that list and think how many of them represent countries that are really into Pro-Cycling. Many of them are nt even represented on the ProTour or have very little impact on the track or MTB scene.
All Pat has to do is say a few nonsense words about Pro Racing to convince them that he's sort of, maybe doing something about it and then bung them a few concessions to keep them sweet, West Wing style.
This is not going to be easy...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Just because they don't have much of a cycling scene it doesn't mean they're morons. They clearly have more than a passing interest in cycling to get to the position they have.ddraver wrote:Now read down that list and think how many of them represent countries that are really into Pro-Cycling. Many of them are nt even represented on the ProTour or have very little impact on the track or MTB scene.
All Pat has to do is say a few nonsense words about Pro Racing to convince them that he's sort of, maybe doing something about it and then bung them a few concessions to keep them sweet, West Wing style.
This is not going to be easy...Twitter: @RichN950 -
Interest in PRO cycling, interest in cycling....or possibly an interest in politics?
The UCI (Cookson included) have been laughable in holding Pat to any sort of account thus far, you almost can't blame him for thinking he's not done anything wrongWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I think you are wrong to consider it all to do with Pro- Cycling, because the UCI isn’t any more obliged to do more for Pro-teams than the FA is obliged to help Chelsea more than Corinthian Casuals.ddraver wrote:From that UCI article, this is the list of people on the UCI Management Committee ...
... Now read down that list and think how many of them represent countries that are really into Pro-Cycling. Many of them are nt even represented on the ProTour or have very little impact on the track or MTB scene.
The UCI is supposed to represent affiliated cycling sport at all levels, down to grassroots.
Don’t forget as well as road, track and MTB, cycling also includes BMX, cycle-cross, cycling football, cycling gymnastics, etc, many of which, although without much sponsorship, are all very active and popular in some lands.
What I’m a bit surprised at, is to see Egypt and Tunisia as UCI committee members for what their lands seem to contribute to cycling.
And also how few committee members there are from central Europe (for their contribution to road racing, cycle-cross and cycling gymnastics), and that there are none from South America (road racing future?), none from Japan/China (road racing future and also cycling gymnastics), and none from India (in the long term, MTB racing future?).
With only 10 committee places available, it's clear not every viewpoint can be satisfied, so a doubling of the committee size might be appropriate and in tune with the globilisation the UCi strives for.0 -
knedlicky wrote:
I think you are wrong to consider it all to do with Pro- Cycling, because the UCI isn’t any more obliged to do more for Pro-teams than the FA is obliged to help Chelsea more than Corinthian Casuals.ddraver wrote:From that UCI article, this is the list of people on the UCI Management Committee ...
... Now read down that list and think how many of them represent countries that are really into Pro-Cycling. Many of them are nt even represented on the ProTour or have very little impact on the track or MTB scene.
The UCI is supposed to represent affiliated cycling sport at all levels, down to grassroots.
Don’t forget as well as road, track and MTB, cycling also includes BMX, cycle-cross, cycling football, cycling gymnastics, etc, many of which, although without much sponsorship, are all very active and popular in some lands.
What I’m a bit surprised at, is to see Egypt and Tunisia as UCI committee members for what their lands seem to contribute to cycling.
And also how few committee members there are from central Europe (for their contribution to road racing, cycle-cross and cycling gymnastics), and that there are none from South America (road racing future?), none from Japan/China (road racing future and also cycling gymnastics), and none from India (in the long term, MTB racing future?).
With only 10 committee places available, it's clear not every viewpoint can be satisfied, so a doubling of the committee size might be appropriate and in tune with the globilisation the UCi strives for.
India really has shown little potential as a market, to be fair. There was a tour of Mumbai and that after a couple of editions that went down the crapper. Cycling has a very long way to go, and would maybe be more suited to milking potential money through telecasts here. Indonesia and Malaysia look the target markets to expand the sport.
About the Egyptian, Azzam, he's the president of African cycling confederation. So his post is akin to Gaudry, Makarov, and Jose Palaez (Pan American cycling confederation president). Cho Wook Hee is either a star wars beast or ACC president and Qassimi is a VP of the ACC. Dunno about the rest.0 -
If I may be pedantic, David Lapparient is the European rep these days, not Makarov. Makarov stepped down and Lapparient beat Makarov's puppet, Andrei Tchmil, in an election.wombly knees wrote:
About the Egyptian, Azzam, he's the president of African cycling confederation. So his post is akin to Gaudry, Makarov, and Jose Palaez (Pan American cycling confederation president). Cho Wook Hee is either a star wars beast or ACC president and Qassimi is a VP of the ACC. Dunno about the rest.
David Lapparient is a pretty safe bet to be UCI President after McQuaid/Cookson.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Cheers, my mistake.0
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RichN95 wrote:
If I may be pedantic, David Lapparient is the European rep these days, not Makarov. Makarov stepped down and Lapparient beat Makarov's puppet, Andrei Tchmil, in an election.wombly knees wrote:
About the Egyptian, Azzam, he's the president of African cycling confederation. So his post is akin to Gaudry, Makarov, and Jose Palaez (Pan American cycling confederation president). Cho Wook Hee is either a star wars beast or ACC president and Qassimi is a VP of the ACC. Dunno about the rest.
David Lapparient is a pretty safe bet to be UCI President after McQuaid/Cookson.
Yeah, well if that happens let's hope he doesnt have any more crazy ideas along the lines of changing the Tour so that its only raced by national teams - this was his bright idea earlier this year to eradicate doping. Because no national teams have ever doped, have they *cough*0 -
Vaughters comes out swinging haymakers at Pat and Hein
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/opi ... an-cooksonWarning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
A bunch of duplicitous weasels... But I think we all knew that0
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RichN95 wrote:When is this election anyway?
Friday
They have to vote on Pat's Friendly Federations' proposals re Art 51 first0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:RichN95 wrote:When is this election anyway?
Friday
They have to vote on Pat's Friendly Federations' proposals re Art 51 first
Will there be any coverage on Eurosport?
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greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:RichN95 wrote:When is this election anyway?
Friday
They have to vote on Pat's Friendly Federations' proposals re Art 51 first
Will there be any coverage on Eurosport?
Nah, but there will be a webcast on the UCI website 0 -
dish_dash wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:RichN95 wrote:When is this election anyway?
Friday
They have to vote on Pat's Friendly Federations' proposals re Art 51 first
Will there be any coverage on Eurosport?
Nah, but there will be a webcast on the UCI website
But geo-restricted to all countries except Thailand and Morocco
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What happens to the honorary president role, is that up for a vote ?0
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le patron wrote:What happens to the honorary president role, is that up for a vote ?
Nope. But post can only be eliminated etc by agreement at the annual Congress - betcha if Cookson gets in, that'll be on the agenda next year.0 -
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Richmond Racer wrote:le patron wrote:What happens to the honorary president role, is that up for a vote ?
Nope. But post can only be eliminated etc by agreement at the annual Congress - betcha if Cookson gets in, that'll be on the agenda next year.
Not sure it would. Looking for such a contentious fight isn't the politically smart thing to do, especially after a contentious election process. Building bridges would be the first priority. I would expect pressure / encouragement for HV to quit would be very much behind the scenes whilst putting processes in place democratically that effectively disempower HV.
If any of the investigations / truth and reconciliation processes deliver any clear evidence of corruption then it may prompt an ousting of HV but under those circumstances I think he'd jump before it ever came to a vote.0 -
The Honorary President thing can stay, but it should be treated exactly for what it is - an Honorary position.
He should just turn up in VIP at races and have something to eat and drink, before boring everyone about what it was like in his day and making inappropriate comments about the podium girls - because that what Honoraries do.
But he should not have any actual influence on anything.Twitter: @RichN950
