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  • oneof1982
    oneof1982 Posts: 703
    Millar blog a load of tosh. badly written, badly researched. Rule 5 applies Robert.

    In terms of Froome's contract, it was widely reported tht this was renewed in Septemebr 2011. See:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/14951615

    This undermines any argument about TdF being a matter of contract.

    Position remains Wiggo is out because he is injured/ill/not trained. This makes it easiseir for Sky to manage in the short term, but says nothing about who will be riding where next year.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Perhaps what happened on the bus late last year didn't stay on the bus :wink:
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    edited June 2013
    Double post
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    iainf72 wrote:
    Perhaps what happened on the bus late last year didn't stay on the bus :wink:


    Not if rumour's true about what Mick Rogers is alleged to have said re Fenton... :wink:
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    oneof1982 wrote:
    Millar blog a load of tosh. badly written, badly researched. Rule 5 applies Robert.

    In terms of Froome's contract, it was widely reported tht this was renewed in Septemebr 2011. See:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/14951615

    This undermines any argument about TdF being a matter of contract.

    Position remains Wiggo is out because he is injured/ill/not trained. This makes it easiseir for Sky to manage in the short term, but says nothing about who will be riding where next year.


    Froome's 3 year contract was indeed signed after the '11 Vuelta. However, word was out that he'd renegotiated at least his salary post-Tour last year. Anything else go into that rumoured renegotiation?
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Perhaps what happened on the bus late last year didn't stay on the bus :wink:


    Not if rumour's true about what Mick Rogers is alleged to have said re Fenton... :wink:

    Go on, tell us.
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    inkyfingers wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Perhaps what happened on the bus late last year didn't stay on the bus :wink:


    Not if rumour's true about what Mick Rogers is alleged to have said re Fenton... :wink:

    Go on, tell us.


    Layering on the caveats, I have absolutely no proof that this is true...but Rogers is alleged to have said re Fenton 'I wont ride for that %^&*'
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    And in the interests of fairness RR, would you like to share what BW is alleged to have said?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    iainf72 wrote:
    And in the interests of fairness RR, would you like to share what BW is alleged to have said?


    I'm talking Tour bus. You talking ToB, Iain?

    Really, we need baby monitors on all these buses.. :wink:
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Just f**king spill it all, you bunch of prick teasers.

    :wink:
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    inkyfingers wrote:
    Just f**king spill it all, you bunch of prick teasers.

    :wink:


    Wiggins had a blow-up, word has it
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    inkyfingers wrote:
    Just f**king spill it all, you bunch of prick teasers.

    :wink:


    Wiggins had a blow-up, word has it

    Sheep or doll?
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • oneof1982
    oneof1982 Posts: 703
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    oneof1982 wrote:
    Millar blog a load of tosh. badly written, badly researched. Rule 5 applies Robert.

    In terms of Froome's contract, it was widely reported tht this was renewed in Septemebr 2011. See:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/14951615

    This undermines any argument about TdF being a matter of contract.

    Position remains Wiggo is out because he is injured/ill/not trained. This makes it easiseir for Sky to manage in the short term, but says nothing about who will be riding where next year.


    Froome's 3 year contract was indeed signed after the '11 Vuelta. However, word was out that he'd renegotiated at least his salary post-Tour last year. Anything else go into that rumoured renegotiation?


    I'd be pretty shocked if Sky/DB made lead in the TdF a contractual issue, over the yellow jersey holder, but cycling continues to surpise me.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    inkyfingers wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    inkyfingers wrote:
    Just f**king spill it all, you bunch of prick teasers.

    :wink:


    Wiggins had a blow-up, word has it

    Sheep or doll?

    Nah Boonen variety innit. :wink:

    Now what I want to know is who called who's mother fat? :D
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Soz, I'm actually not teasing, Iain maybe has more detail on the Wiggins Wigg-out than me (honestly, Iain!). I just heard a rumour that Wiggins blew a fuse all aboard the Sky-lark during the ToB
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Soz, I'm actually not teasing, Iain maybe has more detail on the Wiggins Wigg-out than me (honestly, Iain!). I just heard a rumour that Wiggins blew a fuse all aboard the Sky-lark during the ToB

    You're a woman, it's practically a legal obligation.

    Was it a rumour, or a "rumour"?

    I'd like to consider myself as being above getting interested in idle chit chat, but sometimes I can't help it, i'll be buying OK magazine next.
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Does Froome have any friends other than Porte? It will be interesting to see what happens if he gets into difficulty.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    inkyfingers wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Soz, I'm actually not teasing, Iain maybe has more detail on the Wiggins Wigg-out than me (honestly, Iain!). I just heard a rumour that Wiggins blew a fuse all aboard the Sky-lark during the ToB

    You're a woman, it's practically a legal obligation.

    Was it a rumour, or a "rumour"?

    I'd like to consider myself as being above getting interested in idle chit chat, but sometimes I can't help it, i'll be buying OK magazine next.


    Sorry for taking it down Gossip Alley. I'll get back onto higher ground now :wink:
  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    Macaloon wrote:
    There's the satisfying "thwunk" of hatchets being buried, in faces, about some of this:

    TrainSharpSean (Sean Yates) 8:34am via Twitter for iPhone
    Just read the Robert Millar blog on cyclingnews Tales from the Underground #greatentertainment #andclosetotrue

    Good find - pretty much confirms that Sir Dave hasn't been entirely straight over this one.

    This gets interesting - in an ideal world Wiggo teams up with Yates and Sutton in another team (let's say sponsored by Richard Branson) for a crack at the 2014 Tour - no problems getting motivated for that one - maybe get Robert Millar in there too - PR man maybe.
    it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    And some people still wonder why Cav left! :roll:

    God, managing all those egos must be a nightmare. To be honest if all of this is true (and that is a BIG if) no one comes out this well at all really. Everyone thinks they're entitled to something based on past performances but no one's past performances totally eclipse anyone else's to the point where they can demand and importantly secure what they want.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Tom Butcher wrote:
    This gets interesting - in an ideal world Wiggo teams up with Yates and Sutton in another team (let's say sponsored by Richard Branson) for a crack at the 2014 Tour - no problems getting motivated for that one - maybe get Robert Millar in there too - PR man maybe.

    That sounds like fun.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Tom Butcher wrote:
    This gets interesting - in an ideal world Wiggo teams up with Yates and Sutton in another team (let's say sponsored by Richard Branson) for a crack at the 2014 Tour - no problems getting motivated for that one - maybe get Robert Millar in there too - PR man maybe.

    It could be called Mod Racing. What a shame Rock Racing isn't still around or we could have witnessed some fun down at Brighton sea front. :D

    Sorry I'm procrastinating at work. I'll get back to editing this article now.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • mr_poll
    mr_poll Posts: 1,547
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Soz, I'm actually not teasing, Iain maybe has more detail on the Wiggins Wigg-out than me (honestly, Iain!). I just heard a rumour that Wiggins blew a fuse all aboard the Sky-lark during the ToB

    Didn't Wiggins withdraw from the ToB with a "stomach bug" - knowing nothing of said rumour, but to pour oil on the fire would seem that if an issue did occur on the deathstar and Wiggo was sent home, DB used the illness/injury excuse again.
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Tom Butcher wrote:
    This gets interesting - in an ideal world Wiggo teams up with Yates and Sutton in another team (let's say sponsored by Richard Branson) for a crack at the 2014 Tour - no problems getting motivated for that one - maybe get Robert Millar in there too - PR man maybe.

    That sounds like fun.

    A hermit as a PR man, brilliant. :wink:
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Above The Cows wrote:
    And some people still wonder why Cav left! :roll:

    God, managing all those egos must be a nightmare. To be honest if all of this is true (and that is a BIG if) no one comes out this well at all really. Everyone thinks they're entitled to something based on past performances but no one's past performances totally eclipse anyone else's to the point where they can demand and importantly secure what they want.


    my 'ead 'urts :wink:
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Above The Cows wrote:
    And some people still wonder why Cav left! :roll:

    God, managing all those egos must be a nightmare. To be honest if all of this is true (and that is a BIG if) no one comes out this well at all really. Everyone thinks they're entitled to something based on past performances but no one's past performances totally eclipse anyone else's to the point where they can demand and importantly secure what they want.


    *shrugs*

    Alpha males, innit (of which Cav is also a prime example, to be fair)

    plus DaveB trying to keep too many plates spinning, if you ask me
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    mr_poll wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Soz, I'm actually not teasing, Iain maybe has more detail on the Wiggins Wigg-out than me (honestly, Iain!). I just heard a rumour that Wiggins blew a fuse all aboard the Sky-lark during the ToB

    Didn't Wiggins withdraw from the ToB with a "stomach bug" - knowing nothing of said rumour, but to pour oil on the fire would seem that if an issue did occur on the deathstar and Wiggo was sent home, DB used the illness/injury excuse again.

    OK now I'm really trying to remember what happened on that stage where Wiggo dropped off the pace. Didn't he drop off the pace to ride with Cav and everyone wondered what was going on?

    Ahhh, must stop it, must do work. This piece needs to get re-worked and submitted this week! :x
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Let's all give a great big Tall Poppy room welcome to: Sir Dave Brailsford.
    ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Macaloon wrote:
    Let's all give a great big Tall Poppy room welcome to: Sir Dave Brailsford.


    zing
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    And some people still wonder why Cav left! :roll:

    God, managing all those egos must be a nightmare. To be honest if all of this is true (and that is a BIG if) no one comes out this well at all really. Everyone thinks they're entitled to something based on past performances but no one's past performances totally eclipse anyone else's to the point where they can demand and importantly secure what they want.


    *shrugs*

    Alpha males, innit (of which Cav is also a prime example, to be fair)

    plus DaveB trying to keep too many plates spinning, if you ask me

    Nail on head!

    I'm not sure DaveB thought he'd end up with this much talent on his team this quickly. He thought perhaps they could concentrate on Wiggins, but then Froome turned out to be rather good and then Cav didn't have a team and they'd always wanted Cav but then they didn't really know what to do with him etc. etc. Add in the idea that it is thought to be better to have potential rivals on the inside pissing out than on the outside pissing in and you have the situation as it is now. I wonder if they all think its better to have all these people on the inside pissing out now?

    I wonder how this is making some of the domestiques at Sky feel?

    I am of course assuming that there is in fact something going on as opposed to this being just gossip.
    Correlation is not causation.

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