Giro stage 17 **SPOILER**

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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    kleinstroker wrote:
    Paulie W wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    I thought Cadel or Uran would have attacked today, not many days left to challenge Nibali

    On a pan flat stage with a smallish lump at the end?!

    Well I thought Evans would at least have chased points today and I don't get why Sky are not backing Uran the way they did with Wiggo?

    Evans won't waste energy chasing points, and what makes you think Sky aren't backing Uran?
  • doug5_10
    doug5_10 Posts: 465
    My maths has it Cav 113 to Cuddles' 109 now?
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  • Squaggles
    Squaggles Posts: 875
    You want DiLuca to get a win ? thats just crazy talk
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  • rickyrider
    rickyrider Posts: 294
    Squaggles wrote:
    You want DiLuca to get a win ? thats just crazy talk

    Have to agree with that *sigh*
  • kleinstroker
    kleinstroker Posts: 2,133
    afx237vi wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    Paulie W wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    I thought Cadel or Uran would have attacked today, not many days left to challenge Nibali

    On a pan flat stage with a smallish lump at the end?!

    Well I thought Evans would at least have chased points today and I don't get why Sky are not backing Uran the way they did with Wiggo?

    Evans won't waste energy chasing points, and what makes you think Sky aren't backing Uran?

    Maybe I should watch closer, but Uran always seems to be alone in the peloton, not surrounded by the Sky train like Bradley.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    kleinstroker wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    Paulie W wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    I thought Cadel or Uran would have attacked today, not many days left to challenge Nibali

    On a pan flat stage with a smallish lump at the end?!

    Well I thought Evans would at least have chased points today and I don't get why Sky are not backing Uran the way they did with Wiggo?

    Evans won't waste energy chasing points, and what makes you think Sky aren't backing Uran?

    Maybe I should watch closer, but Uran always seems to be alone in the peloton, not surrounded by the Sky train like Bradley.

    In this Giro the Sky train had waited for Wiggins.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans won't waste energy chasing points

    He has been so far. I don't think it is a conincidence that he keeps being so well placed on each stage.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Navardauskas FAIL

    Celebrating 2nd place.


    Maybe he was celebrating being the first clean rider home.



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  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Navardauskas FAIL

    Celebrating 2nd place.

    At least there is something funny coming out of now having radios...
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    frenchfighter wrote:
    Navardauskas FAIL

    Celebrating 2nd place.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    I thought they still had radios
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    If they can cut the Gavia and Stelvio on Friday maybe Cav can pick up a TV sprint :wink: If Cuddles gets two 5th places that would be 24 points - did we ever get agreement if there are points for the TT? I assume there are and that, I think, would finish Cav's chances. Otherwise OPQS need to keep things together for the two TVs on Sunday plus the finish, that would be 41 points I think.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    TheBigBean wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans won't waste energy chasing points

    He has been so far. I don't think it is a conincidence that he keeps being so well placed on each stage.
    He always rides near the front of a bunch because he's a bit paranoid about crashes. You can usually see him near the front in races where he's not in line for the points jersey (like the Tour).

    Now that Italy doesn't have a top line sprinter the points jersey is generally won by a GC rider by mistake.
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  • Paulie W
    Paulie W Posts: 1,492
    RichN95 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans won't waste energy chasing points

    He has been so far. I don't think it is a conincidence that he keeps being so well placed on each stage.
    He always rides near the front of a bunch because he's a bit paranoid about crashes. You can usually see him near the front in races where he's not in line for the points jersey (like the Tour).

    Now that Italy doesn't have a top line sprinter the points jersey is generally won by a GC rider by mistake.

    Cav lost out by a few points to J-Rod last year as I recall but probably would have won if he hadn't come unstuck in a few early stages.
  • frenchfighter
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Just saw a clip from yesterday I think which showed Samu sitting up out the saddle and gesticulating at the others. Wonder what that was about.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Paulie W wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Evans won't waste energy chasing points

    He has been so far. I don't think it is a conincidence that he keeps being so well placed on each stage.
    He always rides near the front of a bunch because he's a bit paranoid about crashes. You can usually see him near the front in races where he's not in line for the points jersey (like the Tour).

    Now that Italy doesn't have a top line sprinter the points jersey is generally won by a GC rider by mistake.

    Cav lost out by a few points to J-Rod last year as I recall but probably would have won if he hadn't come unstuck in a few early stages.
    But he didn't win it, did he? At least Rodriguez had the decency to win a couple of stages. Soon Evans will have more Giro points jerseys than stage wins which is a bit of a farce.
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  • Crozza
    Crozza Posts: 991
    RichN95 wrote:
    But he didn't win it, did he? At least Rodriguez had the decency to win a couple of stages. Soon Evans will have more Giro points jerseys than stage wins which is a bit of a farce.

    why is it a farce? doesn't the points jersey award consistent excellence, rather than flash in the pan stage winners?
  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    Crozza wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    But he didn't win it, did he? At least Rodriguez had the decency to win a couple of stages. Soon Evans will have more Giro points jerseys than stage wins which is a bit of a farce.

    why is it a farce? doesn't the points jersey award consistent excellence, rather than flash in the pan stage winners?

    Good question. I lost track of where it went from being the best allrounders jersey to a prize for sprinters and now has started to turn back the other way.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Crozza wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    But he didn't win it, did he? At least Rodriguez had the decency to win a couple of stages. Soon Evans will have more Giro points jerseys than stage wins which is a bit of a farce.

    why is it a farce? doesn't the points jersey award consistent excellence, rather than flash in the pan stage winners?
    The only excellence Evans has show is finishing slightly further forward in his group than the other GC riders. I want the points jersey to be a proper contest not won as a by-product of something else.
    I bet if you asked Evans right now what the points situation is he wouldn't know.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    Neveraskedus !!

    Luv it
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    Nibali hasn't won a stage either.

    I still think Cadel knows exactly where he is in the points competition.
  • Crozza
    Crozza Posts: 991
    RichN95 wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    But he didn't win it, did he? At least Rodriguez had the decency to win a couple of stages. Soon Evans will have more Giro points jerseys than stage wins which is a bit of a farce.

    why is it a farce? doesn't the points jersey award consistent excellence, rather than flash in the pan stage winners?
    The only excellence Evans has show is finishing slightly further forward in his group than the other GC riders. I want the points jersey to be a proper contest not won as a by-product of something else.
    I bet if you asked Evans right now what the points situation is he wouldn't know.

    so you would rather that someone who wins a stage one day, and then finishes 30 mins down the next day, is more deserving? not saying I disagree with you, but stage winners get the glory of the win already

    the best points competition I have seen was Cav v Thor in the TDF one year, when Thor went on a solo breakaway over a couple of mountains to mop up the intermediate points and close out the competition. I think even Cav said that if he wanted it that badly, he could have it!
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Nibali hasn't won a stage either.

    I still think Cadel knows exactly where he is in the points competition.

    He seemed very keen on sneaking points early on in the Giro so I doubt he's forgotten plus he's likely to have a DS in his ear about this anyway
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    Whilst we're on the subject I don't like intermediate sprints. The red / green should be for the most consitstent finisher.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Every flat stage should have a bump on the last part of the route.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Crozza wrote:
    so you would rather that someone who wins a stage one day, and then finishes 30 mins down the next day, is more deserving? not saying I disagree with you, but stage winners get the glory of the win already

    the best points competition I have seen was Cav v Thor in the TDF one year, when Thor went on a solo breakaway over a couple of mountains to mop up the intermediate points and close out the competition. I think even Cav said that if he wanted it that badly, he could have it!
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Whilst we're on the subject I don't like intermediate sprints. The red / green should be for the most consitstent finisher.
    Define consistent. If someone finishes 27th on every single stage that is as consistent as you possibly can be, so should that rider win the competition? Maybe it should be for the rider with the lowest standard deviation in results from his mean stage finishing position.

    And as for it being for an all-rounder as others have said - it isn't. I haven't seen the latest points run down, but prior to today five of the top six in the points were also five of the top six on GC - and that's with three mountain stages yet to come. It's become a jersey for the GC rider who tends to finish eight rather than twelfth when they all finish in a small group together.

    Wouldn't it be better if the points where adjusted so we had an actual contest with not just Cavendish, but Viviani, Nizzolo, Modolo, Visconti, Navardakus and one or two GC guys as well, rather than have it for someone who probably isn't even thinking about it?
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Pross wrote:
    Visconti is some bike rider, always seems to do it to win rather than a bit of showboating like a lot of breakaway specialists.

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  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    edited May 2013
    The points competition is not a "sprinter's" competition, it is a "best finisher on each stage" competition. That's why Cadel Evans is still in the mix.

    If it is designed to be a sprinters-only competition, points should only be awarded on a stage when that stage win comes about as a result of a bunch sprint. If it's a solo win on the flat or a mountain stage win, you get no points. :evil: This obviously makes no sense so they have the competition that is actually in place. If Cadel wins he will be a deserving winner and so to will Cavendish if he wins the jersey on Sunday.

    DD.

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