Dozy mare!

First.Aspect

DDD, I sort of agree, but where do you draw the line?

What about someone convicted of an assault outside a pub? Should their employer be concerned?
What about someone who distributes extreme political material, in their own name, outside of work?
In this case, its hit and run, which is actually fairly serious. As her employer I'd be concerned about her ability to judge right from wrong.

I this case, she won't lose her job, I don't think. Not for this anyway, although if she's quite such a simpleton I can't imagine her gettting that far in it anyway. And she would benefit from a stiff talking to. Not least about publishing things on the internet.

All that said, when the cycling community mob descends like this, its not very edifying.

DonDaddyD

First Aspect wrote:

DDD, I sort of agree, but where do you draw the line?

What about someone convicted of an assault outside a pub? Should their employer be concerned?
What about someone who distributes extreme political material, in their own name, outside of work?
In this case, its hit and run, which is actually fairly serious. As her employer I'd be concerned about her ability to judge right from wrong.

I this case, she won't lose her job, I don't think. Not for this anyway, although if she's quite such a simpleton I can't imagine her gettting that far in it anyway. And she would benefit from a stiff talking to. Not least about publishing things on the internet.

All that said, when the cycling community mob descends like this, its not very edifying.

It is not the role of the mob to ruin peoples lives. It is the role of the public to report criminal, dangerous and harmful actions to the legal authorities.

In some jobs you need to declare a criminal offence, ongoing court case, financial or legal action that has been taken against you. In other jobs you do not - in those circumstances, while I may not agree on a higher level, it would suggest that it is not the concern of the employer.

Should the employer be concerned with the actions of their employees this should be explicitly stated in the contractual agreement between both parties; with mechanisms in place for ensuring this is regularly checked. My employer, for example, carries out a CRB check annually.

If the victim wanted to notify the employer: perhaps attempting to track her down, insurance reasons or outright frustration then I would be more sympathetic.

However, I do not think its the role of the cycling community [contacting the police and reporting her actions is fine and appropriate I must add] to seek punishment over and above that which will be dealt by our legal system.

DrLex

DonDaddyD wrote:

[...]However, I do not think its the role of the cycling community [contacting the police and reporting her actions is fine and appropriate I must add] to seek punishment over and above that which will be dealt by our legal system.

<puts down pitchfork>
Who are you and what have you done with D3?

daviesee

DrLex wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

[...]However, I do not think its the role of the cycling community [contacting the police and reporting her actions is fine and appropriate I must add] to seek punishment over and above that which will be dealt by our legal system.

<puts down pitchfork>
Who are you and what have you done with D3?

D-lock the cnut!

Kieran_Burns

daviesee wrote:

DrLex wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

[...]However, I do not think its the role of the cycling community [contacting the police and reporting her actions is fine and appropriate I must add] to seek punishment over and above that which will be dealt by our legal system.

<puts down pitchfork>
Who are you and what have you done with D3?

D-lock the cnut!

I think you'll find that is DDD-lock the cnut.


Incidentally, while our ire is perfectly justified, I agree with DDD (God damn it) it's not our place to punish the criminals and while we are legally allowed to defend ourselves: the mob or the individual does not administer justice - the judicial system does and we should support it.

DonDaddyD

DrLex wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

[...]However, I do not think its the role of the cycling community [contacting the police and reporting her actions is fine and appropriate I must add] to seek punishment over and above that which will be dealt by our legal system.

<puts down pitchfork>
Who are you and what have you done with D3?

Don't get me wrong I want to see the stupid Bint dealt a heavy fine and banned from driving until she has kids that ask "Mummy can I ride to school today".

I hate this tribal mentality against 'cyclists' - leading people to seemingly forget that there is a person on top of the bike and a life that can be ruined or bought to an end. More could be done to make people realise that we are cyclists secondly and humans (as vulnerable as they are) first - and, in my case, that at £250 a year, pay a substantial amount of VED (Road Tax - to the lay person) and Council Tax, which pays for the road I ride and drive on.

However, I'm not cool with Internet stalking and the invasion into a persons private life when there is no just cause to do so. As I said, report her to the police, go to the papers with the story about the hit and run to demonstrate the worrying attitude of new drivers.

nicklouse

on the BBC now http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22602141

willy b

DonDaddyD wrote:

I understand that the cycling community feels aggrieved by the actions and attitude of this woman, and quite rightly she should be punished accordingly and within the context of her crime.

However, her life has not become a free for all for some in the cycle community to stalk and attempt to punnish further. Contacting her job - which is unrelated to the incident, unless the vehicle is branded or she is a professional driver - is petty, vindicitive and uncessesary in my opinion.

100% agree.

Kind of reminds me a little of the Derren Brown experiment about group behaviour and group decisions. Obviously slightly different in this instance. I'm also not defending the girl, she quite clearly is an idiot!

rebs

I don't like the mob rule type approach it does seem way to vindictive for my taste. But you have to ask yourself. Would you hire her if this is how she is?

bails87

Worryingly I also agree entirely with DDD!

bompington

nicklouse wrote:

on the BBC now http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22602141

All I know is that it was a blonde girl driving

bails87

bompington wrote:

nicklouse wrote:

on the BBC now http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22602141

All I know is that it was a blonde girl driving

I think the guy's clubmate said that the police had spoken to the driver and the time and location of the incident above matched the info the police had got from the driver.

rjsterry

The witch hunt is unfortunate, but I find it difficult to have any sympathy. If you post inflammatory rubbish on a public website, don't be surprised if there is some blowback.

veronese68

I did not mean to condone mob justice in any way. It just tickled me that being guilty of gross stupidity and trolling herself it has come back to bite her on the aris. Hoisted by her own petard if you will.

Ben6899

Veronese68 wrote:

I did not mean to condone mob justice in any way. It just tickled me that being guilty of gross stupidity and trolling herself it has come back to bite her on the aris. Hoisted by her own petard if you will.

This.

Widgey

This is a strange old story. One part of me thinks that this girl should have the weight of the law against her but that's where it should end. the fact that there is seemingly a mob out to destroy her life. But has she brought it upon herself, I know that I would have wanted results if my crash was laughed at.

Causing a collision and driving off I think is possibly the worst thing a person can do, hitting another human and not even checking if they are ok?! Its incredible how someone could be so insensitive.

I dislike the public execution which is happening throughout the media now.

rubertoe

Luckily it appears that the cyclist was ok, what would of happened if he was out on his own (like many of us are) on the same country lane and the same thing had happened but with much worse consequences?

Although obviously, the witch hunt is out of order, but if your put yourself into the frying pan, be prepared to get burnt.

Headhuunter

DonDaddyD wrote:

I understand that the cycling community feels aggrieved by the actions and attitude of this woman, and quite rightly she should be punished accordingly and within the context of her crime.

However, her life has not become a free for all for some in the cycle community to stalk and attempt to punnish further. Contacting her job - which is unrelated to the incident, unless the vehicle is branded or she is a professional driver - is petty, vindicitive and uncessesary in my opinion.

I don't agree, this silly cow needs to be strung out to dry, one of the articles I read said that she had already posted pics of her own speedo at 95mph and films of her driving dangerously in other situations on FB and other places on the net. She clearly believes she is untouchable or has no comprehension at all of the implications of any of her actions.... the sooner this hits her hard the better...

CiB

Headhuunter wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I understand that the cycling community feels aggrieved by the actions and attitude of this woman, and quite rightly she should be punished accordingly and within the context of her crime.

However, her life has not become a free for all for some in the cycle community to stalk and attempt to punnish further. Contacting her job - which is unrelated to the incident, unless the vehicle is branded or she is a professional driver - is petty, vindicitive and uncessesary in my opinion.

I don't agree, this silly cow needs to be strung out to dry, one of the articles I read said that she had already posted pics of her own speedo at 95mph and films of her driving dangerously in other situations on FB and other places on the net. She clearly believes she is untouchable or has no comprehension at all of the implications of any of her actions.... the sooner this hits her hard the better...

Amazingly I'm with DDD on this one, except for linking his taxes to road use; there is no link between paying and being allowed to use the roads.

This girl has done something incredibly stupid, and compounded that by being even more stupid in bragging about it on Twitter. As far as I know the punishment for being incredibly stupid isn't to have your whole life ruined, job taken away and to be hounded to what? - the point of suicide? Being a complete chuffing idiot or showing a massive misjudgement on what to post on Twitter isn't the biggest crime in the world and this girl has been through the mill by now. Lay off her. She's learnt - she probably won't do it again, but it's an odds-on certainty that someone else will do the same thing in the new few months and be subject to the same self-righteous mob rule vigilantism that too many are desperate to mete out to this girl.

Sometimes it's not very appealing being part of the 'cycling mob'.

willy b

CiB wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I understand that the cycling community feels aggrieved by the actions and attitude of this woman, and quite rightly she should be punished accordingly and within the context of her crime.

However, her life has not become a free for all for some in the cycle community to stalk and attempt to punnish further. Contacting her job - which is unrelated to the incident, unless the vehicle is branded or she is a professional driver - is petty, vindicitive and uncessesary in my opinion.

I don't agree, this silly cow needs to be strung out to dry, one of the articles I read said that she had already posted pics of her own speedo at 95mph and films of her driving dangerously in other situations on FB and other places on the net. She clearly believes she is untouchable or has no comprehension at all of the implications of any of her actions.... the sooner this hits her hard the better...

Amazingly I'm with DDD on this one, except for linking his taxes to road use; there is no link between paying and being allowed to use the roads.

This girl has done something incredibly stupid, and compounded that by being even more stupid in bragging about it on Twitter. As far as I know the punishment for being incredibly stupid isn't to have your whole life ruined, job taken away and to be hounded to what? - the point of suicide? Being a complete chuffing idiot or showing a massive misjudgement on what to post on Twitter isn't the biggest crime in the world and this girl has been through the mill by now. Lay off her. She's learnt - she probably won't do it again, but it's an odds-on certainty that someone else will do the same thing in the new few months and be subject to the same self-righteous mob rule vigilantism that too many are desperate to mete out to this girl.

Sometimes it's not very appealing being part of the 'cycling mob'.

Agree with all of that too.

Kieran_Burns

I'm not sure what is more surprising:

The stupidity of this girl, or:
Everyone agreeing with DDD


Discuss

suzyb

tbh I'm with the mob simply because she sounds like the kind of person that wont be that bothered by a little trouble from the police.

As HH says she believes she is untouchable or has no comprehension of her actions and I doubt a smack on the wrist from the police and a little twitter backlash will do anything to change that. Being the subject of a hate campaign and perhaps being called in for a chat with her employers to explain herself should make her think about her actions more.

Ben6899

Kieran_Burns wrote:

I'm not sure what is more surprising:

The stupidity of this girl, or:
Everyone agreeing with DDD


Discuss

Definitely the DDD bit.

MrSweary

I'm not a fan of internet mobs either but to be fair she hasn't lost her job (yet) or even been charged. It isn't as if she has a lynch mob outside her house. All she has to do to avoid the mob is not go on t'interwebs. Her employers would most likely find out about this anyway whether contacted by the public or not - especially if she is charged. How they react is their perogative.

Having the whole of the internet know you are stupid, dangerous and unrepentant is what you get if you advertise your qualities on the internet. Actions have consequences. Sounds like a lesson she needs to learn given her supposed history of driving like a muppet and boasting about it. It might stop her killing someone for all we know.

Either way it is hard to feel much sympathy for her and I can understand the level of anger at someone who knocks a cyclist off, doesn't stop then boasts about it.

mybreakfastconsisted

She deserves to lose her job, leaving someone in a ditch after smashing into them and fleeing the scene is despicable, cowardly behaviour.

rolf_f

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I find it bizarre how people think that what they post on the internet, on face book, or on a public form isn't actually public. That they don't think that other people will read what they say and send it on and that anything that holds them in a bad light will end up being read by their employer at some point.

How many stories do there have to be of people being caught out by what they email, post on FB or forums etc before these dimwits learn not to do it? Me, if I was her boss I'd want to sack her for being clearly very thick (assuming not being thick was important to her role).

iPete

mybreakfastconsisted wrote:

She deserves to lose her job, leaving someone in a ditch after smashing into them and fleeing the scene is despicable, cowardly behaviour.

Does it say this anywhere?

More importantly, any more pictures of said girl?

mybreakfastconsisted

Rolf F wrote:

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I find it bizarre how people think that what they post on the internet, on face book, or on a public form isn't actually public. That they don't think that other people will read what they say and send it on and that anything that holds them in a bad light will end up being read by their employer at some point.

How many stories do there have to be of people being caught out by what they email, post on FB or forums etc before these dimwits learn not to do it? Me, if I was her boss I'd want to sack her for being clearly very thick (assuming not being thick was important to her role).

I expect she'll end up sharing a cell with that bloke who did a bank robbery then took a picture of himself with the cash spread out over his bed and posted it on face tube.

Koncordski

She's an idiot, social media is just one big outlet for the world's narcissists anyway. She posts crap like that that so that her 'friends' can respond to how funny/insightful she is. The fact that it's turned around and bitten her on the @rse seems like cosmic payback to me. No sympathy.

verylonglegs

iPete wrote:

mybreakfastconsisted wrote:

She deserves to lose her job, leaving someone in a ditch after smashing into them and fleeing the scene is despicable, cowardly behaviour.

Does it say this anywhere?

More importantly, any more pictures of said girl?

http://road.cc/content/news/84212-norwi ... on-cyclist

Accident description and comment from her employer in the responses section too.