Wiggins is actually ill
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HandyAndy wrote:
I dont recall Tyler or any modern rider being on amphetamines because its easy to get caught. Besides you really think amphetamines masked the pain to the point where he ground half his teeth down to the roots in the Giro, then rode with a broken collarbone in the tdf and wasnt in pain? Amphetamines or not thats one tough guy.deejay wrote:
I thought that Amphetamines did :?:HandyAndy wrote:EPO and blood doping dont help with pain relief.
Is there not a bit of difference between riding through injury and pain and riding when ill though? If your lungs are full of crap there's nothing you can do to make you perform at the necessary level and continuing is likely to just leave you with a longer recovery at the end of it all. Hamilton definitely demonstrated toughness to carry on when many wouldn't but it is completely different.0 -
Tom Simpson was a LONG time ago. Drug testing for amphetamines has improved since the 1960's. But then, who knows what anyone was/is taking.0
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You have to be on a wind up and just bloody joking. Strewth.TailWindHome wrote:Sean Kelly says it was the right decision.
But he's quit GTs in his time too. Loser.
You do remember he carried on with a broken collarbone before dropping out of a TDF.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
I think the language of Team Sky's statement is interesting (emphasis mine):
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290, ... 20,00.htmlTeam Sky wrote:Sir Bradley Wiggins has been withdrawn from the Giro d’Italia on the medical advice of the team doctor due to illness.
Due to a worsening chest infection, the decision was taken for Wiggins not to start the race’s 13th stage on Friday from Busseto to Cherasco.
Outlining the situation, Team Sky Team Principal Sir Dave Brailsford said: “We monitored Bradley overnight and this morning we’ve withdrawn him from the Giro after consulting the team doctor. His chest infection has been getting worse and our primary concern is always the health of our riders.
“As a passionate racer he wanted to continue but he is simply unable to do so on medical grounds.”
The team have been very explicit that they have decided whether or not Wiggins will continue. At no point do they even mention asking his opinion (although obviously they will have done). Even after the stage yesterday they said that the team would seek medical advice and then decide whether he should continue. They didn't say they'd ask him and decide with him.
Seems fairly clear to me that it's the team that have decided to withdraw him due to illness, not that he's woken up this morning with a bit of a chesty cough and thought "nah, fuck it, I'll just go home"0 -
Pross wrote:HandyAndy wrote:
I dont recall Tyler or any modern rider being on amphetamines because its easy to get caught. Besides you really think amphetamines masked the pain to the point where he ground half his teeth down to the roots in the Giro, then rode with a broken collarbone in the tdf and wasnt in pain? Amphetamines or not thats one tough guy.deejay wrote:
I thought that Amphetamines did :?:HandyAndy wrote:EPO and blood doping dont help with pain relief.
Is there not a bit of difference between riding through injury and pain and riding when ill though? If your lungs are full of crap there's nothing you can do to make you perform at the necessary level and continuing is likely to just leave you with a longer recovery at the end of it all. Hamilton definitely demonstrated toughness to carry on when many wouldn't but it is completely different.
Absolutely, but I do think these guys are incredible athletes and can suffer more than any of us could ever hope to. They also are incredibly efficient at riding in a bunch. Wiggins got dropped going downhill, maybe if he had been a bit braver on the descent he would have stayed in the group to the finish. Even if he was getting pushed by his teammates. Hard to make an effort and catch up when you get dropped and are sick though.0 -
Why didn't Cataldo go home instead of riding at the back when ill? Could it be he did not have eyes for the yellow jersey in July?
I cant understand why Wiggins would spend all that time rubbing up Froome the wrong way for nothing.
In my opinion he's gone home cos the Giro was blown and now he wants the tour to rescue his season. (At the expense of Froome)0 -
OR Wiggins woke up and say "fark it I'm not riding", Brailsford pleaded to no avail and then SKY PR came up with the press release.
They also have an image to portray. None of us know. I'd be surprised if Wiggins really wanted to ride and Sky said no.Graeme_S wrote:I think the language of Team Sky's statement is interesting (emphasis mine):
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290, ... 20,00.htmlTeam Sky wrote:Sir Bradley Wiggins has been withdrawn from the Giro d’Italia on the medical advice of the team doctor due to illness.
Due to a worsening chest infection, the decision was taken for Wiggins not to start the race’s 13th stage on Friday from Busseto to Cherasco.
Outlining the situation, Team Sky Team Principal Sir Dave Brailsford said: “We monitored Bradley overnight and this morning we’ve withdrawn him from the Giro after consulting the team doctor. His chest infection has been getting worse and our primary concern is always the health of our riders.
“As a passionate racer he wanted to continue but he is simply unable to do so on medical grounds.”
The team have been very explicit that they have decided whether or not Wiggins will continue. At no point do they even mention asking his opinion (although obviously they will have done). Even after the stage yesterday they said that the team would seek medical advice and then decide whether he should continue. They didn't say they'd ask him and decide with him.
Seems fairly clear to me that it's the team that have decided to withdraw him due to illness, not that he's woken up this morning with a bit of a chesty cough and thought "nah, fark it, I'll just go home"0 -
Of course we don't know. It's an internet forum, the only point is wild speculation, it's not a facts exchangeHandyAndy wrote:OR Wiggins woke up and say "fark it I'm not riding", Brailsford pleaded to no avail and then SKY PR came up with the press release.
They also have an image to portray. None of us know. I'd be surprised if Wiggins really wanted to ride and Sky said no.
Given his performance yesterday I can't imagine Wiggins was too upset if the team told him to pack up and go home, but it does seem very Team Sky that the decision would ultimately be with the team rather than the individual rider.0 -
HandyAndy wrote:I think Froome threw a few things around the room this am on hearing the news!
In celebration I assume? Froome's had a blinding Giro. Not only was Wiggo's "weakness" against explosive riders on the steeps exposed, descending was worse (weather and sickness acknowledged), and he failed to destroy the TT. Where will Wiggo prove he has GT-winning form between now and July? The worst case for Froome was a "comfortable" Giro victory for Wiggo. The "let the defending champ go for the double" sentiment may have gathered momentum.
But Sky don't appear to be particularly romantic. If Wiggo can show some decent first-week form, and ride as a credible plan B, this can only assist Froome if he's as capable over 3 weeks as he has shown in 1 weekers this year....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
deejay wrote:
You have to be on a wind up and just bloody joking. Strewth.TailWindHome wrote:Sean Kelly says it was the right decision.
But he's quit GTs in his time too. Loser.
You do remember he carried on with a broken collarbone before dropping out of a TDF.
Um, yes - I think that was kind of the point!0 -
Graeme_S wrote:
Of course we don't know. It's an internet forum, the only point is wild speculation, it's not a facts exchangeHandyAndy wrote:OR Wiggins woke up and say "fark it I'm not riding", Brailsford pleaded to no avail and then SKY PR came up with the press release.
They also have an image to portray. None of us know. I'd be surprised if Wiggins really wanted to ride and Sky said no.
Given his performance yesterday I can't imagine Wiggins was too upset if the team told him to pack up and go home, but it does seem very Team Sky that the decision would ultimately be with the team rather than the individual rider.
Guess the truth is somewhere inbetween, but I doubt Team Sky had to force Wiggins to go home. The rider knows if he's prepared to ride or not, no matter what the Dr says.0 -
According to the BBC, Wiggo said:The decision was made with a view to being back to full strength for the Tour [de France]. The risk was that I did more damage.
:?It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Wonder will he be back for the 'Free the Dolphins.'“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Salsiccia1 wrote:According to the BBC, Wiggo said:The decision was made with a view to being back to full strength for the Tour [de France]. The risk was that I did more damage.
:? Sorry Froomey 0 -
frenchfighter wrote:GrenW wrote:
Oh well I suppose my post above was moments too soon...
Fail. Legends ride with broken collarbones and any sorts of issues.
Having given myself a fairly serious medical issue by trying to train through illness, it might be a romantic ideal, but it's actually an incredibly stupid thing to do. Pro athletes are fit, but NOT healthy. They're typically immunosuppressed in comparison to a healthy individual, and you really don't want to continue stressing your body whilst you have an ongoing infection and a sub-par immune response.
Lots of people do compete when injured; competing when ill is in some respects more dangerous. In both cases it's a bit dim, but often economics come into play and dictate.
Sky have done the right thing.0 -
Wonder if Sky will send Froome to the Dauphine and Wiggins to the Tour of Switzerland...and see who comes out better."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0
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LeicesterLad wrote:Salsiccia1 wrote:According to the BBC, Wiggo said:The decision was made with a view to being back to full strength for the Tour [de France]. The risk was that I did more damage.
:? Sorry Froomey
I'm sure Froome would rather a fully fit Wiggins riding for him than a broken one
I really don't think Brad will go rogue if instructed to ride in support, I can see him doing exactly the same role as Froome did last year and keeping in close touch whilst doing some donkey work if required (i.e. when the rest of the engine falters). 0 -
As much as everyone is dying for a repeat of 86, it aint gonna happen.
Brad will line up wearing the number 1 bib. He'll power the TTT, and go hell for leather to win the 2 ITTs. He'll do what he has to do for the team to try to help Froome win the Tour. And then he'll target the Worlds TT, and help Sky try to win the Worlds TTT.
He and Fenton wont be having giggles together, and god knows what the atmosphere will be like beyond just about getting through the 3 weeks.
And then next year one of them will be elsewhere.
The above is my Mystic Meg effort.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Wonder will he be back for the 'Free the Dolphins.'
He needs a race with a decent time trial to boost his confidence, I reckon. Dolphin race starts in 15 days, Suisse in 210 -
Richmond Racer wrote:As much as everyone is dying for a repeat of 86, it aint gonna happen.
Brad will line up wearing the number 1 bib. He'll power the TTT, and go hell for leather to win the 2 ITTs. He'll do what he has to do for the team to try to help Froome win the Tour. And then he'll target the Worlds TT, and help Sky try to win the Worlds TTT.
He and Fenton wont be having giggles together, and god knows what the atmosphere will be like beyond just about getting through the 3 weeks.
And then next year one of them will be elsewhere.
The above is my Mystic Meg effort.
Yes. It does however get interesting if Wiggins is in yellow after S11.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
^I'm with both Meg and Tailwind.
Incidentally, don't remember so much Fenton love last year.0 -
I do not see any issue with a fully fit Brad and Froomey in TDF, its the best thing.
In fact as they have different strengths they will compliment each other.
I am sure Brad will ride for Froome if thats the decision by DB and his style of climbing is good for Froomey and then if Froomey attacks towrds end of climbs all well and good, if he attacks and fails or falls back so be it, Sky have another option and I bet other teams wish they were in similar position.
As for talk of confidence and need to train in the rain, these guys ride several hundreds of miles a week, you do not become a bad bike handler overnight, they are professionals, and in fact he is a pretty good descender usually. Worst thing for a pro is lack of confidence in your bike!! If it feels like shit you will ease off whoever you are, we will never know why he was so apprehensive, he will know, but I don't see him having issue in TDF.
I would like to see a sky 1,2 and don't care who wins in fact would be good to have Porte 3rd just to see FF's response 0 -
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Seek help...Crankbrother wrote:I really wish that woman at the petrol station had snapped 'Sir Brad's' neck ...
Between the overtly nationalistic fools on here and Rapha trying to use 'Wiggo's' walk of shame as a sales opportunity I feel personally peeved ... He's better at riding a bike than me but by God he's fairly getting on my proverbials ...0 -
Crankbrother wrote:I really wish that woman at the petrol station had snapped 'Sir Brad's' neck ...
F*ck off you offensive T W A T!0 -
Whatever, Wiggins has got 6 weeks to recover from his bronchial infection and be back to GT racing form. The race is on.0
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I agree with you, but I also think the poster, who about 10 days ago remarked that Wiggins looked thinner than ever, probably then made what later turned out to be a very relevant point.powerbookboy wrote:Pro athletes are fit, but NOT healthy. They're typically immunosuppressed in comparison to a healthy individual, and you really don't want to continue stressing your body whilst you have an ongoing infection and a sub-par immune response.
Sky have done the right thing.
If you reduce yourself to skin, muscle and bone, you can have too little reserves when the weather is inclement and the effort hard, so make yourself susceptible to infections. Apart from his lack of competitive riding and the mental effect of a scare on a descent (both also relevant), Wiggins perhaps started the Giro with too little body fat.
Wiggins should have had 8-12% body fat at the start, and as it turned out with the weather, the higher end of that range would have been better. I don't know what his figures at the start were, but I suspect lower, in the range 5-8%.0 -
morstar wrote:Crankbrother wrote:I really wish that woman at the petrol station had snapped 'Sir Brad's' neck ...
F*ck off you offensive T W A T!
You did actually read what you just typed?
Less oxy, more moron ...0 -
Well you really are stupid aren't you!?Crankbrother wrote:morstar wrote:Crankbrother wrote:I really wish that woman at the petrol station had snapped 'Sir Brad's' neck ...
F*ck off you offensive T W A T!
You did actually read what you just typed?
Less oxy, more moron ...
Oxymoron? No, well aware the statement could be viewed as hypocrisy but there's no contradiction.
As for hypocrisy, it's the first openly offensive post I believe I've ever put on any forum. I'd suggest it's the type of response your post deserves.
Enough wasting my time now. My views are quite clear on your contribution. Not getting into an unsolvable argument with a troll.0
