Giro Stage 10 - Spoiler thread
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So Wiggins at 2.05, Uran at 2.04. Both are still close enough to have a shot, though Nibali looked very strong and so did Evans. They're well placed for a few more moves like today's.
Wiggins only got into trouble on the very steepest ramps and he pulled back a fair bit when it flattened out. I'd suggest that today's result was pretty much in line with what they would have been expecting, though obviously hoping for a bit more.
Too early to write Wiggins off completely, or Uran, but they'll be paying close attention to the profiles for the rest of the stages.
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Le Commentateur wrote:
He dropped his chain again, or maybe a rear mech issue, got back and attacked.Pross wrote:Nibs blown!
EDITpremature, he looked cooked but now on the counter
That explains it, on the tiny window I was watching on it looked like he'd completely cracked.0 -
junglist_matty wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:ALIHISGREAT wrote:Don't think anyone care to be honest? especially not Bradders...
I care. I said as much during the Tour as well. It's BS.
To be fair, in last years tour, Wiggo and Froome were both very strong.... If Froome were given freedom, he may have won GC, and if he did, Wiggo would have most likely have come in right on his tail, with seconds splitting them.
Wiggo looks a lot weaker this year, maybe it's because Sky won't use "a car" to help him along now that UCI will ban riders being helped along by "a car"
....OOOH, controversial
Why are you missing out letters? If you're going to accuse someone of something then say it..0 -
Pross wrote:One of the Sky boys can try going early again next time out now. Keep sending one up the road and it is still possible Nibali will crack. Evans surprised me after the way he climbed in last year's Tour.
I have to doubt whether Nibi can keep riding at this pace day in day out!? He's been riding like a machine the first week!0 -
PeteinSQ wrote:CF is a professional and can do what his bosses tell him to do. Wiggins crushed him in the time trials and won the Tour.
Froome was 2nd (in the TT) and barely a minute down, so I wouldn't describe that as being crushed. Had he been allowed to attack when he wanted then BW would have been f*cked - CF could easily have put more than a minute into him in the Mountains.0 -
Pross wrote:One of the Sky boys can try going early again next time out now. Keep sending one up the road and it is still possible Nibali will crack. Evans surprised me after the way he climbed in last year's Tour.
He was ill spring 2012 with a virus that affected Tour form. This year's he's better trained.
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oldwelshman wrote:
Don't be so stupid, how can they swap while Wiggo is still ahead. They will play both cards.TheBigBean wrote:afx237vi wrote:The new "who is Sky leader" reignition should keep this going for another 15 pages.
It's Uran. It should have been him for days... maybe that can be discussed for 15 pages.
Ok maybe it can be discussed for 15 pages. Wiggins had a TT card which he has played, but he is still behind. He has no further cards to play. Uran has some cards left and is ahead.0 -
ALIHISGREAT wrote:Why are you missing out letters? If you're going to accuse someone of something then say it..
Maybe because I'm not accusing anyone of anything, everyone's innocent until proven guilty!0 -
Enjoyed that stage and great to see Uran getting a GT stage win.
Difficult to see Wiggins getting back into this but Sky still have two cards to play and Nibali cant dismiss either of them. It would be great to see Uran getting protected status but he does have issues with consistency over a 3 week race. Was he not up with the big boys in the Giro last year on some stages and then had days where he would lose a couple of minutes.0 -
He is in good form, which anyone has to be to be in top 10 of a GT but not in "best" form which is need to win GT. Nothing to do with type f climbs, he was not far behind AC and AS on Ventoux and both those were probabluy juiced up, in Vuelta he rode JRod and NIbali off his wheel on hard climbs two years ago, today he struggled against non GC riders and this climb not the hardest. On his best form he would have no trouble at all with stage like today. Hope he rides into better form, normally tales a week or so. Evans is a gutsy guy bit Wiggo has been ahead of him fr last two years and Evans is not getting better so obviously Wiggo below par, but not by a huge amount.emadden wrote:oldwelshman wrote:Well I am a Wiggo fan but I do not care what DB says Wiggo is definitely not in the best form of his life, bluffing for sure. U suspect there was some substance to him being ill recently and hoping to hide and stay in contention early on in Giro and ride into it.
He was struggling half way up the last climb and last year he would have been comfortable with these guys easily.
Still early days, look at wat hapened to Ryder! Also Evans in tour when ill, two weeeks to go, interesting Giro for sure.
He is in good form. But, the climbs at the Giro are much harder than those at the Tour - and they dont suit Wiggo's riding style. Also, the climbs are ridden far more aggressively than in the Giro - certainly less controlled than at the Tour.0 -
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frenchfighter wrote:I hope no one is surprised with Wiggins. I thought he did a good job today. He is never going to be the best climber so he has got to limit his losses and he did that well. Nibali et co could have attacked earlier and would have got more time into him but he played it as if he was strong so they waited.
Agree. As I said up thread it was only when the slope hit its steepest he couldn't hold on as we have come to expect. The difference was that often Evans and Nibs don't like the really steep stuff. Wiggins finished in front of Scarponi who you would expect to be at an advantage on those slopes. It's a shame he lost the time last week or it would be a really good scrap.0 -
Do you think DQ actually knows any Italian or Spanish? Just sounds as if he's making up his vague translations . . .Edinburgh Revolution Curve
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PeteinSQ wrote:CF is a professional and can do what his bosses tell him to do. Wiggins crushed him in the time trials and won the Tour.
In this particular race I would say it does look like Uran Uran is significantly stronger than Wiggins who doesn't have enough of an edge in the time trials over Nibali to make up for his deficiencies in the climbs.
I think Nibali is going to win this unless Evans rides his best ever time trial.
And that other TT is a mountain TT which in theory Uran shouldnt do too badly on...
However, at 20% this was definitely not a Wiggo gradient. Sky have 2 riders in 3rd and 4th, split by a second. God knows how they're going to manage things, but I reckon they'll try to look after both. If Wiggo gets dropped again, he gets dropped. No one was left to wait for him.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:CF could easily have put more than a minute into him in the Mountains.
Maybe, but also maybe not! You can't say that for sure, but yes, Froome looked strong in the mountains last year.... How do you know for sure that Wiggo was riding on the edge, maybe he was holding back a bit and had something in the tank, just to check an attack from another rider, now if Froome attacked and Sky didn't have team orders, maybe BW would have been able to keep him in check....0 -
frenchfighter wrote:I hope no one is surprised with Wiggins. I thought he did a good job today. He is never going to be the best climber so he has got to limit his losses and he did that well. Nibali et co could have attacked earlier and would have got more time into him but he played it as if he was strong so they waited.
Would completely agree - think ppl can have a bit of a tendency to over-exaggerate reaction to Wiggo (and I say that as a big fan), praps understandably given massive attention on him. But put it in context: if he'd put the 'expected' minute or so into Nibs in the TT, then had this result, most would've said "fine, about what we expected".
I think this is Nibs' to lose now, though unwilling to write off the continually impressive Evans. Main thing in Wiggins' favour is his "relentlessness": feel like he's performing to top of his abilities now, and my gut feel is he's very unlikely to have a jour sans, so he needs to hang in there like this, and see if he can take advantage of others having a bad day.@shraap | My Men 2016: G, Yogi, Cav, Boonen, Degenkolb, Martin, J-Rod, Kudus, Chaves0 -
Might have to eat my words Re: Nibali never winning another GT.
And Hesjedal? Weird that he went all out attack in the early stages but is clearly in terrible shape.0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Might have to eat my words Re: Nibali never winning another GT.
And Hesjedal? Weird that he went all out attack in the early stages but is clearly in terrible shape.
Maybe Dave B should tweet that Ryder might be ill? 0 -
So sky now have an Uran and an also-ran
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Pross wrote:frenchfighter wrote:I hope no one is surprised with Wiggins. I thought he did a good job today. He is never going to be the best climber so he has got to limit his losses and he did that well. Nibali et co could have attacked earlier and would have got more time into him but he played it as if he was strong so they waited.
Agree. As I said up thread it was only when the slope hit its steepest he couldn't hold on as we have come to expect. The difference was that often Evans and Nibs don't like the really steep stuff. Wiggins finished in front of Scarponi who you would expect to be at an advantage on those slopes. It's a shame he lost the time last week or it would be a really good scrap.
Yeah the closer the GC the better it is for the viewer. Could be said about a few others as well who lost time.
I am really liking seeing these lesser known or touted riders and some youngsters too doing so well.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Thats toah. He has attacked and blown up before, remember vuekta last year when CF attacked JRod and Valverde and they passed him 400m later and he was fucked? How do you know he would open a minute gap last year. It makes no difference, what you or I think CF did not win in last year. He may this year but thats not the pont. Last year he did not.The Mad Rapper wrote:PeteinSQ wrote:CF is a professional and can do what his bosses tell him to do. Wiggins crushed him in the time trials and won the Tour.
Froome was 2nd (in the TT) and barely a minute down, so I wouldn't describe that as being crushed. Had he been allowed to attack when he wanted then BW would have been f*cked - CF could easily have put more than a minute into him in the Mountains.0 -
I've been giving Quigs the benefit of the doubt all week.
But he's fv ckin terrible. I can forgive calling the finishers in the wrong order on a flat sprint. On a MTF, not so much.___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
junglist_matty wrote:Wiggo looks a lot weaker this year, maybe it's because Sky won't use "a car" to help him along now that UCI will ban riders being helped along by "a car"
....OOOH, controversial
Whoooosh straight over the top of my head.
Explanation please?0 -
Forget about Wiggins vs Froome in last years TDF
What we really want to know is what happened to that spectator who fell off the cliff!!! :shock:0 -
Has Ryder finished yet ?The UCI are Clowns and Fools0
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Decline (The Volume) Quickley: "you don't often see the broad bean smile of Rigoberto's face very often..."
That's what I believe he said.
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PeteMadoc wrote:Forget about Wiggins vs Froome in last years TDF
What we really want to know is what happened to that spectator who fell off the cliff!!! :shock:
Looked like a steep grass bank to me at the time, nothing much. Those spectators wouldn't have been stood on a cliff edge surely? (if he was then he's a berk and deserves to get hurt)0 -
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