The Secret Pro

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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    If I'm mistaken I apologise.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    artstan wrote:
    I presume this is why their are few female posters on this sight. That's a pity in my view.

    Just for your unbelievable response which in my view is now almost turning into some kind of pathetic cyber bullying I use the name artstan because they are the nick names of the 2 children I gave birth to.

    Quite incredible :roll:

    Good night to the sane among you.

    Irrespective of whether you are or aren't an old poster under a new name what has anything got to do with you being female? No one would have known you were until you said. There are several women posting regularly on here including one who you seem to think is bullying you for being a woman!

    If you are genuinely a new contributed then take a look at Rayjay's posts - the subject matter, style of writing and spelling errors are extremely similar. It wouldn't be the first time on here that someone got a ban and came back under a new pseudonym hence the cynicism. However, if wrong I for one apologise.
  • kamil1891
    kamil1891 Posts: 658
    "their" instead of "there are". End of the story.

    Even being only a reader here I could spot the similarity straight away ;-)
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    Well this is all going rather swimmingly ...
  • Coriander
    Coriander Posts: 1,326
    The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

    Now, I'm going for a lie down; 2 posts in one evening is just rather too exhausting.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    For what it's worth, if rayjay got banned then I feel that was unjustified (unless he/she did something I missed). I quite welcome opposing views, it gives me a chance to point out why they are wrong.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Yep, if I'm wrong then i will apologise profusely, but given your posts thus far, i'd be surprised. If you re interested in staying around we re a friendly bunch, but too many people have been trying to take advantage of that and it's made us cynical.

    If we could trouble you for your opinions, you think Froome is free from any reasonable suspicion, Armstrong has been justly punished and Life Time Bans are a ridiculous idea that would do nothing to prevent doping in the pro peoloton..?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • artstan
    artstan Posts: 27
    I wish you guys all the best with your chit chat but I don't think it is going to be possible for me to post on this sight anymore.

    cheers Brigid
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    Whoever it is has the same 'sight' problem as the supposed alter ego ...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    So the latest theory is that artstan is Koen de Kort or Simon Gerrans? Or have I got that wrong?
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  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Haha, got to give that to ray, the 'Brigid' thing is hilarious
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Cor. Come here after a hard evening's...er...snoozing on the sofa :oops: and it's all kicked off.

    So...the Secret Pro...there's no point in trying to piece together who he is from 'clues', thanks to red herrings that get chucked into his posts by him or by Wade Wallace, so that his identity can't be figured out.
  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Whoever it is has the same 'sight' problem as the supposed alter ego ...
    I had never seen anyone mix up 'sight' and 'site' before, it seems like a very odd mistake to make. Now we can cite examples from two different posters on this forum alone.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    So...the Secret Pro...there's no point in trying to piece together who he is from 'clues', thanks to red herrings that get chucked into his posts by him or by Wade Wallace, so that his identity can't be figured out.

    Hmm, to be expected I guess but takes the fun away. I kind of thought something was up last year when I tried to cross reference a good handful of the races mentioned and things not completely jiving. However you could still work out which rider has the highest percentage of appearances in the races mentioned.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    ThomThom wrote:
    Haha, got to give that to ray, the 'Brigid' thing is hilarious

    What's the betting that rayjays (very surprising) wife is called Brigid..?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    artstan wrote:
    Can anyone tell me who David Tanner is?

    Funnily enough this is possibly who it is according to evidence in the comments sections which was later deleted. However I'm not too sure given the races involved (unless there was some large adjustment of races - Tour swap with Vuelta - by the mods).

    His palmares are light to say the least.

    However, I read that Kittel told the story about the police moto in an interview he gave to a German Tour magazine. Its not Kittel but could be someone on his team (or who rode for Argos last year) - De Kort would fit that.

    Also with regard the deliberate changing of data - possibly this was done in later posts due to the first few being too 'obvious'.
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    To get the thread dangerously back on topic, the thing that strikes me about the article is that apparently everyone was aware of the risk of contamination. Surely, you'd just avoid beef altogether? In fact, surely you'd just go straight for the vegetarian/vegan option?
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    Have you ever been to China?
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    If everything is in and out of the same old hot Wok I'd imagine you're screwed if you took the Veggie option or not.
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    edited April 2014
    andyp wrote:
    Have you ever been to China?

    No. But that has nothing to do with anything.

    If there is a genuine fear in the peloton about contaminated meat, then don't eat meat.

    edit: I'm actually open to persuasion otherwise, but your reply made no attempt to engage. By all means explain why I'm wrong, duck, but try not be a dick about it eh.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    The food provided was a buffet, they had to eat what they could. I doubt very much, based on my own experience of China, that there was a vegan option, never mind a vegetarian one.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    I've been to China. I think the vegetarian option was chicken.
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    andyp wrote:
    The food provided was a buffet, they had to eat what they could. I doubt very much, based on my own experience of China, that there was a vegan option, never mind a vegetarian one.

    Buffet was arranged by race organisers though, wasn't it? I'd be amazed if there aren't a fair amount of veggies in the pro peloton, and more amazed that a race organised, ultimately, by a western co didn't bear this in mind.
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    RichN95 wrote:
    I've been to China. I think the vegetarian option was chicken.

    Quick wiki says nothing about contaminated chicken, so that would do the trick ;). Apart from for the veggies obviously.
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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    The_Boy wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    I've been to China. I think the vegetarian option was chicken.

    Quick wiki says nothing about contaminated chicken, so that would do the trick ;). Apart from for the veggies obviously.

    Quick google says clenbuterol is in chicken.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Seriously, the only stuff I'd trust to eat in China (or Mexico) to avoid any possibility of clen, would be plain rice, steamed veggies and fish.

    C'est tout.
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    I've been to China. I think the vegetarian option was chicken.

    Quick wiki says nothing about contaminated chicken, so that would do the trick ;). Apart from for the veggies obviously.

    Quick google says clenbuterol is in chicken.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympi ... terol.html

    The Chinese authorities seemed quite relaxed about their athletes eating fish and chicken in a bid to avoid Clen +ves. Granted two years ago.

    More to the point, Matt White makes reference to a team not eating any meat products during their time in Beijing:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/white-u ... in-beijing
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    The_Boy wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    I've been to China. I think the vegetarian option was chicken.

    Quick wiki says nothing about contaminated chicken, so that would do the trick ;). Apart from for the veggies obviously.

    Quick google says clenbuterol is in chicken.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympi ... terol.html

    The Chinese authorities seemed quite relaxed about their athletes eating fish and chicken in a bid to avoid Clen +ves. Granted two years ago.

    More to the point, Matt White makes reference to a team not eating any meat products during their time in Beijing:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/white-u ... in-beijing



    Well, put it like this, Blazing Saddles - who's able to speak with some authority on the subject - has previously pointed out that when the GB track team go to comps in countries known as high-risk for clen, they dont touch fish from the time they leave the UK until the time they leave that country. They live off fish the entire period, to avoid ANY risk.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    The questions is not whether the riders can avoid certain foods but why they should have to. This is a mandatory race for the teams and they are being forced to compromise on nutrition or play dice with their careers. Nobody's career should be at risk just from eating food.

    And if there is to be effective worldwide testing what about sportsmen who are Chinese or China based?
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    RichN95 wrote:
    The questions is not whether the riders can avoid certain foods but why they should have to. This is a mandatory race for the teams and they are being forced to compromise on nutrition or play dice with their careers. Nobody's career should be at risk just from eating food.

    And if there is to be effective worldwide testing what about sportsmen who are Chinese or China based?


    Pedant alert: you can get all the protein you need from fish, tofu, soya protein etc. Foregoing meat for a short period isnt going to compromise an athlete's nutrional needs.

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