The Secret Pro

thomthom

Beatmaker wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

So he thinks O'Grady is cool enough but those who clearly were doped and won big races and stopped doping today shouldn't be applauded as they made money on being doped? O'Grady didn't make money? O'Grady didn't get new contracts on his 'potential'? Not even a word on how pathethic it is he retires now that he had his back against the wall? There's no way he would have admitted anything without the french investigation. He was a keeper of the omerta just months ago denying everything,

Must be Aussie this guy despite saying 'you Australians' in the article.

I found the distinction a little odd, Stuey won PR in 2007 after all. you put him in the Big Hitter category.

Perhaps not completely comparable but I still stand by the point.

O'Grady has made loads. No question about that.

And after his admission, I'm not buying that P-R win one second.

Anonymous

adr82 wrote:

oneof1982 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

The previous generation of riders, who we all now know were dopers, would put in five or six attacks and then ride to the top of the HC mountain without even being out of breath

This is the exact description of Froome up the Ventoux!

"I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean. From the interactions I’ve had with him over the years he’s been a complete gentleman and his performances certainly haven’t come from nowhere."

"It crushes me to to read the stuff anonymous commenters on forums write .........."

Exactly. Hard to decide if it's more hilarious or pathetic to see frenchie reduced to this sort of thing. Wish he'd stick to posting photos and not feel the need to start spouting his usual crap at the slightest opportunity.

I'm starting to think Frenchie might be @diggerforum

mroli

Could it be Henderson?

wombly_knees

ThomThom wrote:

Beatmaker wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

So he thinks O'Grady is cool enough but those who clearly were doped and won big races and stopped doping today shouldn't be applauded as they made money on being doped? O'Grady didn't make money? O'Grady didn't get new contracts on his 'potential'? Not even a word on how pathethic it is he retires now that he had his back against the wall? There's no way he would have admitted anything without the french investigation. He was a keeper of the omerta just months ago denying everything,

Must be Aussie this guy despite saying 'you Australians' in the article.

I found the distinction a little odd, Stuey won PR in 2007 after all. you put him in the Big Hitter category.

Perhaps not completely comparable but I still stand by the point.

O'Grady has made loads. No question about that.

And after his admission, I'm not buying that P-R win one second.

He only doped to keep up with the rest. Keep up to lead the Tour de France in 98. But only barely keeping up...

argyllflyer

TSP will be a combination of different people I'd have thought.

Yellow Peril

I've never read The Secret Pro before. What a worthy read. We should all be masters of our own opinion but when you hear from someone who basically works alongside Froome tell you what a decent guy he is and how he is considered clean then perhaps some forumites should give that opinion a little more credence.

afx237vi

The O'Grady comments are hard to swallow. It's people like O'Grady who are part responsible for the abuse he (TSP) and Froome have to put up with today.

Beatmaker

ThomThom wrote:

Beatmaker wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

So he thinks O'Grady is cool enough but those who clearly were doped and won big races and stopped doping today shouldn't be applauded as they made money on being doped? O'Grady didn't make money? O'Grady didn't get new contracts on his 'potential'? Not even a word on how pathethic it is he retires now that he had his back against the wall? There's no way he would have admitted anything without the french investigation. He was a keeper of the omerta just months ago denying everything,

Must be Aussie this guy despite saying 'you Australians' in the article.

I found the distinction a little odd, Stuey won PR in 2007 after all. you put him in the Big Hitter category.

Perhaps not completely comparable but I still stand by the point.

O'Grady has made loads. No question about that.

And after his admission, I'm not buying that P-R win one second.

To clarify, I was agreeing with you TomTom, I find the distinction TSP made between O'Grady and other high profile dopers a little odd. I loved seeing O'Grady win P-R. Whereas now in my mind he is just another cheat who could have come forward by his own volition and helped heal the sport.

Crankbrother

O'Grady at least never shat on the sport on his way out like Hincapie ... GH took as much money as he could then 'fessed up' when any sanction meant nothing (especially financially) ...

I understand why Horner disrespected him on the Champs ...

rick_chasey

Trying to draw moral or ethical lines for doping and indeed sport more generally is pointless.

Arguing the toss about who was a more respectful doper is even more pointless.

mididoctors

Rick Chasey wrote:

Trying to draw moral or ethical lines for doping and indeed sport more generally is pointless.

Arguing the toss about who was a more respectful doper is even more pointless.

though while seemingly a reasonable statement its odd to note the main reason why this is all coming to light in the first place is because people did just that.

they knowingly sectioned off Lance and the Hog from others as a target.

The notion that JB gets het up with JV online I find rather funny if not ridiculous. effectively they are arguing just that. who has more ethics.

while clearly they should have no say in the matter I would suggest its not JB

mididoctors

afx237vi wrote:

The O'Grady comments are hard to swallow. It's people like O'Grady who are part responsible for the abuse he (TSP) and Froome have to put up with today.

don't worry when the UKpostals are revealed for what they are stuey's hypocrisy will be back on par

just kidding folks.

Also I find it rather satisfying/surprising that these lies small/white/whoppers are all getting found out so far down the line.


joking aside I agree with you. It's a good point.

DL1987

You’ll know this already but the post-Tour crits are completely fixed. That doesn’t mean they’re easy though. We still do our best to put on a show for the crowd. Part of the show is the fact that the organiser tells us before the race what the finishing order will be, who gets the sprint primes, who leads out who, who gets in breaks, and generally how the race will play out. But the day after Paris is always the funny one. Every last rider is hung over from the party on the Champs-Élysées and we always make a mess of it. It’s tough to get right even without a hangover!

I'm relatively new to following the sport and had no idea this was the case.

Is this common knowledge?

Richmond Racer

DL1987 wrote:

You’ll know this already but the post-Tour crits are completely fixed. That doesn’t mean they’re easy though. We still do our best to put on a show for the crowd. Part of the show is the fact that the organiser tells us before the race what the finishing order will be, who gets the sprint primes, who leads out who, who gets in breaks, and generally how the race will play out. But the day after Paris is always the funny one. Every last rider is hung over from the party on the Champs-Élysées and we always make a mess of it. It’s tough to get right even without a hangover!

I'm relatively new to following the sport and had no idea this was the case.

Is this common knowledge?

Yes. The crowd knows the score. Its been the case since the dawn of time.

napoleond

They are the cycling equivalent of WWF wrestling. Put on for the crowds entertainment.

markhewitt1978

ratsbeyfus wrote:

The 'Secret' Po?




Everyone who is anyone knows that Po was played by CBeebies own 'Pui Fan Lee' of ShowMeShowMe:



Discussion over.

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DL1987

Richmond Racer wrote:

Yes. The crowd knows the score. Its been the case since the dawn of time.

Cheers. Every day's a school day :-)

mididoctors

The worst example I ever saw was in the nineties when mountain biking looked to be the big thing and they had an indoor arena VTT course with berms tabletops etc but with the tour riders.

Indurain was hopeless technically on a mountain bike over the obstacle course and watching Rominger pretending not to wait for him was hilarious

joelsim

Interesting about the elephants...I wonder who Alberto, Andy, Damiano et al.

TSP is North American, or he learnt how to speak English from an American perspective I think. Just the language he uses such as 'couple things' instead of 'couple of things' and other examples. Do Aussies say this sort of thing too?

With regard to the doping of a few years ago FF, then just watch some 1998-2009 mountain stages and see the difference.

alihisgreat

Joelsim wrote:

Interesting about the elephants...I wonder who Alberto, Andy, Damiano et al.

TSP is North American, or he learnt how to speak English from an American perspective I think. Just the language he uses such as 'couple things' instead of 'couple of things' and other examples. Do Aussies say this sort of thing too?

With regard to the doping of a few years ago FF, then just watch some 1998-2009 mountain stages and see the difference.

Its Ghost written so the language won't be a give-away.

Turfle

markhewitt1978 wrote:

ratsbeyfus wrote:

The 'Secret' Po?




Everyone who is anyone knows that Po was played by CBeebies own 'Pui Fan Lee' of ShowMeShowMe:



Discussion over.

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I also did not know that. but now it seems so obvious. Of course she was Po! How could I have been so blind?

frenchfighter

DL1987 wrote:

You’ll know this already but the post-Tour crits are completely fixed. That doesn’t mean they’re easy though. We still do our best to put on a show for the crowd. Part of the show is the fact that the organiser tells us before the race what the finishing order will be, who gets the sprint primes, who leads out who, who gets in breaks, and generally how the race will play out. But the day after Paris is always the funny one. Every last rider is hung over from the party on the Champs-Élysées and we always make a mess of it. It’s tough to get right even without a hangover!

I'm relatively new to following the sport and had no idea this was the case.

Is this common knowledge?

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rich_pcp

mididoctors wrote:

The worst example I ever saw was in the nineties when mountain biking looked to be the big thing and they had an indoor arena VTT course with berms tabletops etc but with the tour riders.

What's a 'berm' - A Clouseau obstacle in the shape of two buttocks?

joelsim

There are a few clues then. He rode the Dauphine. He's not a shoe-in for the Tour. I think he's American/Canadian (even if it is a ghost writer). He seems to have been around for a few years.

Yellow Peril

Haussler?

frenchfighter

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/09/the-s ... ason-lull/

He is in Canada now, presumably riding Tour of Alberta, so that narrows it down some more. Names cropping up again and again on start lists.

He is also selective about who he like and doesn`t like with regard those who have been linked to doping:
It’ll be interesting to see what happens to guys like Andreas Kloden. Now he’s a fantastic guy. I love it how he cruises around with the European Union flag on his helmet instead of the German one. He’s quite an individual and makes his subtle stance on the way he’s been treated by his home country.

Interesting point:
“Contract year” is always a running joke. For one reason or another, riders will often have a smashing year when they’re motivated by needing a contract in the next 12 months. Those BMC guys have it good though. We call it “the BMC virus” – they often sign their riders for three years, which allows the riders to put their legs up, have a two year vacation, then come out in their contract year and smash it.

RideOnTime

Turfle wrote:

markhewitt1978 wrote:

ratsbeyfus wrote:

The 'Secret' Po?




Everyone who is anyone knows that Po was played by CBeebies own 'Pui Fan Lee' of ShowMeShowMe:



Discussion over.

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I also did not know that. but now it seems so obvious. Of course she was Po! How could I have been so blind?

Is she inside Po?

andyp

He's back;

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/04/the-secret-pro-4/

RideOnTime

Think I prefer Poo...

frenchfighter

Kind of sad when he says no one wanted to win for fear of showing a clen +ve from something they ate after being tested. I like that story about the motorpacing.

With the Tour of Beijing and Japan Cup startlists along with the other races he has mentioned about competing in I suspect we should be able to narrow down who it is pretty closely.