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frenchfighter

A lot of people get so worked up about all things doping when they werent even watching the doped riders when they were doped.

Those that did watch the doped riders and watched through that era tend to be more reasonable.

Thats telling to me.

RichN95.

Googlefight decides which Ryder did most drugs:

ddraver

iainf72 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Let's assume Ryder's doping was all in an era where the statute of limitations is in effect.

Should he have lied so he could've copped a ban as some kind of moral exercise?

YES!! He F**king should have done - but yes I also know that's totally unrealistic...

So you're not concerned with the truth, but more about exercising some kind of punishment?

(I'm not saying that's wrong)

I'm saying there is a difference.between.being open and only.being open when it suits....

Being open means everyone.gets to know your dirty secrets whether you want them to.or not. Eg digger forum.tweeting Fran Millar asking utterly inane questions

Macaloon

ddraver wrote:

I'm saying there is a difference.between.being open and only.being open when it suits....

But that would unfairly restrict Garmin's recruitment of riders to those willing to auto-trash their reputations. Unless there is a sport-wide amnesty window, Ryder's storm was inevitable if he ever won owt. Meanwhile other teams happily recruit Scarpers etc.

Richmond Racer

Amazing how a team like Argos Shimano manages to be so successful with a team comprised for the most part of a younger generation of riders, isn't it

tailwindhome

frenchfighter wrote:

A lot of people get so worked up about all things doping when they werent even watching the doped riders when they were doped.

Those that did watch the doped riders and watched through that era tend to be more reasonable.

Thats telling to me.

What does it tell you?

mfin

One thing's for sure, people seem less interested in all this Ryder stuff than they recently were in armchair speculation about Horner.

Art Vandelay

Vaughters has tweeted

"...2003 and 2004 is what Ryder said in affidavit."

So, doped for the Olympics, joins USPS and stops doping. Paging Johan...

Yellow Peril

Art Vandelay wrote:

Vaughters has tweeted

"...2003 and 2004 is what Ryder said in affidavit."

So, doped for the Olympics, joins USPS and stops doping. Paging Johan...

Perhaps Lance can enlighten us?

tailwindhome

mfin wrote:

One thing's for sure, people seem less interested in all this Ryder stuff than they recently were in armchair speculation about Horner.

Different situation.

Also Ryder isn't a rider to stir up any passion in the fans.

thomthom

Art Vandelay wrote:

Vaughters has tweeted

"...2003 and 2004 is what Ryder said in affidavit."

So, doped for the Olympics, joins USPS and stops doping. Paging Johan...

Yeah, it doesn't really add up.

tailwindhome

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters 6h
@innerwank @velonews If something happened that isn't in his testimony to usada,he'll be fired and suspended for life. Simple.

RichN95.

TailWindHome wrote:

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters 6h
@innerwank @velonews If something happened that isn't in his testimony to usada,he'll be fired and suspended for life. Simple.

'Suspended for life'. That's a bit melodramatic isn't it?

And as for transparency etc - why should any professional outfit have to be accountable to someone who calls themselves 'innerwank'?

RoadPainter

Richmond Racer wrote:

Amazing how a team like Argos Shimano manages to be so successful with a team comprised for the most part of a younger generation of riders, isn't it

For me, this is one of the really positive sides to the sport that isn't being highlighted as much as it should.

This will only get bigger in next few years as the bio passport continues to reduce the amount you can gain from PED use, meaning more success for teams with a fresher focus on other upsides.

And older riders who maybe relied on PEDs will be even less strong than they are now - we all know a few TdF contenders who have looked far less strong in last couple of years.


I just wish the sport would find a way to get more quickly through this period of confessions & outings, it really is death by a 1000 cuts

ddraver

RichN95 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters 6h
@innerwank @velonews If something happened that isn't in his testimony to usada,he'll be fired and suspended for life. Simple.

'Suspended for life'. That's a bit melodramatic isn't it?

And as for transparency etc - why should any professional outfit have to be accountable to someone who calls themselves 'innerwank'?

Suspended for life by Garmin I assume...

tailwindhome

Being interview on Danish TV now apparently

Mikkel Condé v2.0 ‏@mrconde 58s
Michael Rasmussen writes that 100 % of Rabobank's Tour de France roster in the Tour de France 2007 was doped (Flecha, Freire...)

Dave (Dim) ‏@dimspace 1m
The Rabobank 2007 Tour Squad. Menchov, Boogerd, De Groot, Dekker, Flecha, Freire, Niermann, Rasmussen, Weening

Dave (Dim) ‏@dimspace 29s
Rasmussen says not all recieved the same products, but says that ALL received some sort of doping from the team.

thomthom

There you have it..

Flecha and and Freire would have seen this coming, eh..

tailwindhome

ThomThom wrote:

There you have it..

Flecha and and Freire would have seen this coming, eh..

I would assume so did Rabobank (the sponsors)

ddraver

So the cynics were bang on with Mr Flecha leaving Sky then...

Turfle

I don't think many doubted Flecha had doped. Freire I assumed did too, but some people seem surprised - or disappointed at least.

frenchfighter

I am surprised by both of them.

Ras not holding back.

I am sure he would know about doping and Contador if it existed but have not heard a peek from him or anyone else on that front. Fyi Cadel evans was 2nd in TDF 07 by 23 secs.

tailwindhome

frenchfighter wrote:

I am sure he would know about doping and Contador if it existed but have not heard a peek.

Was he on a team with Contador at any stage?

frenchfighter

Ras' dad said he had no moral problems in giving his son blood for transfusions (not that it happened).

Weening at Orica now.

Bad business for Rabo to have him removed whilst in Kom jersey in 05 so they made a deal. Handshake between team dr and UCI.

100% sure Nikki doped.

ddraver

Mikkel Condé v2.0 ‏@mrconde
Michael Rasmussen: "I doesn't help to shorten the stages or skip some climbs. Doesn't help to shorten a 100m race to 60m either..."

Rasmussen explains he had already pushed everything else (training, diet, living) to the limit. Doping was just the last thing he had to do.

Rasmussen: "When I lied, people criticized me. When riders admit, people criticize them for not telling everything. Now I tell everything".

tailwindhome

frenchfighter wrote:

Bad business for Rabo to have him removed whilst in Kom jersey in 05 so they made a deal. Handshake between team dr and UCI..

where did you see that quoted?

thomthom

Leinders spoke with UCI in 2005 and kept Rasmussen in the Tour despite of tests that weren't acceptable.

http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2013/10/30/153222.htm

raymond82

Dave (Dim) ‏@dimspace 1m
The Rabobank 2007 Tour Squad. Menchov, Boogerd, De Groot, Dekker, Flecha, Freire, Niermann, Rasmussen, Weening

Weening... One of the very few dutch riders who ever wins anything in grand tours... Sure hope Rasmussen saw it all wrong!

tailwindhome

ThomThom wrote:

Leinders spoke with UCI in 2005 and kept Rasmussen in the Tour despite of tests that weren't acceptable.

http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2013/10/30/153222.htm

ta

frenchfighter

Quotes:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rasmuss ... team-doped

Pokerface

I am naive, but surprised to see team-wide doping in 2007. I assumed it was more of an individual thing by that point.