Puerto trial
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It's available somewhere - was on a thread recently. Someone else will remember better than me. Otherwise just google and you will find it. It has been discussed in quite some detail.Contador is the Greatest0
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I've got everything crossed. Imagine not feeling awe re-viewing those magnificent classics rides. This would hurt much more than another cyclist caught cheating.
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Coach H wrote:Hey FF (genuine question, not baiting. Much
) Have you found anywhere the Puerto doc that Hamilton claims in 'Secret Race' has AC as a code name? Although AC would have to be pretty dim to use AC as a 'secret' code name.........unless using reverse psychology
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“Lance was apparently a systematic doper. He doped on a scale that cycling has never seen before. He has really destroyed a lot,” Cancellara is reported as saying.
“I hope that Armstrong is the last of the Mohicans, that he’s the last of the Ullrich, Basso, Landis, Heras generation. If you drive too fast, you pay the penalty. Lance must now live with the consequences of what he did,” the Swiss rider continued.
"Today riders are again paying the price for what went wrong six or seven years ago. That's not fair. Lance has ensured that the early years of my career were wasted years. I hope that this time is finally behind us. It will not happen immediately, it takes time but it should happen.”
The Swiss rider continued by saying that he was hopeful the times were changing for the better. "Now I understand how US Postal was able to put eight or nine riders in the front on a mountain stage and drop all the others. In the 'golden years' it was all very simple, it was 'training and loading, training and loading. 'Loading', that's the term the riders use when they talk about doping. Nowadays, we work differently, more professionally, with more attention to detail. That's the cycling I believe in, not 'training and loading'. It's changed."0 -
people also seem to forget that Antonio Colom was also riding for Liberty Serguros the same year as Contador and they have the same initials.
Also the page lists the initials of the all the riders that were doping in that team and not their nicknames0 -
sherer wrote:people also seem to forget that Antonio Colom was also riding for Liberty Serguros the same year as Contador and they have the same initials.
Also the page lists the initials of the all the riders that were doping in that team and not their nicknames
Colom was riding for Illers Balears (modern day Movistar) at the time - he jopined Astana in 2007. The list with the initials exactly matches the LS 2005 Tour team. It's 99% certain Contador, but crucially leaves open the possibility that his program was 'nada'.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I was sure Colom was on the team at the time but you are right I looked it up again and he wasn't on the team0
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sherer wrote:people also seem to forget that Antonio Colom was also riding for Liberty Serguros the same year as Contador and they have the same initials.
Also the page lists the initials of the all the riders that were doping in that team and not their nicknames
Check. Was going to mention but didn't want to get into the argument.
There is also testimony when young Contador went to court which is interesting.Contador is the Greatest0 -
ddraver wrote:If he is Luigi (and dimspace is suggesting that he may not be, but again not based on anything concrete) then that is astonishing chutzpah!
just to clear up. im not suggesting cancellara isnt luigi, what im saying is its being widely reported that Dekker is Clasicomano Luigi which is not accurate. The spanish article linked specifically names Cancellara as Clasicomano Luigi and Dekker as plain old Classicomano.
Old german articles going back to 2008-2009 also refer to Dekker purely as classicomano without the luigi. Where some confusion has come in is shoddy translations by the english speaking press (and forums
) and also in some of the articles from around 2009 Dekker is referred to as Dekker, 24, Classicomano, or Dekker, Classicomano, 24, which people have taken to mean identity number 24 (which is classicomano luigi) when in fact the original articles were referring to his age at the time.
from the stuff i have here i have info that Dekker was purely classicomano, Cancelllara (could be) the latter.
Oh heres a tweet from late january from a spanish tweeter mentioning cancellara
https://twitter.com/javitoatm/statuses/ ... 18710814720 -
RichN95 wrote:sherer wrote:people also seem to forget that Antonio Colom was also riding for Liberty Serguros the same year as Contador and they have the same initials.
Also the page lists the initials of the all the riders that were doping in that team and not their nicknames
Colom was riding for Illers Balears (modern day Movistar) at the time - he jopined Astana in 2007. The list with the initials exactly matches the LS 2005 Tour team. It's 99% certain Contador, but crucially leaves open the possibility that his program was 'nada'.
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Hello dimspace! Nice to see you pop in!0
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dimspace wrote:ddraver wrote:If he is Luigi (and dimspace is suggesting that he may not be, but again not based on anything concrete) then that is astonishing chutzpah!
just to clear up. im not suggesting cancellara isnt luigi, what im saying is its being widely reported that Dekker is Clasicomano Luigi which is not accurate. The spanish article linked specifically names Cancellara as Clasicomano Luigi and Dekker as plain old Classicomano.
Old german articles going back to 2008-2009 also refer to Dekker purely as classicomano without the luigi. Where some confusion has come in is shoddy translations by the english speaking press (and forums) and also in some of the articles from around 2009 Dekker is referred to as Dekker, 24, Classicomano, or Dekker, Classicomano, 24, which people have taken to mean identity number 24 (which is classicomano luigi) when in fact the original articles were referring to his age at the time.
from the stuff i have here i have info that Dekker was purely classicomano, Cancelllara (could be) the latter.
Oh heres a tweet from late january from a spanish tweeter mentioning cancellara
https://twitter.com/javitoatm/statuses/ ... 1871081472
We don't really know basically...
Some words from Mr Canc would be good about now....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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dimspace wrote:ddraver wrote:If he is Luigi (and dimspace is suggesting that he may not be, but again not based on anything concrete) then that is astonishing chutzpah!
just to clear up. im not suggesting cancellara isnt luigi, what im saying is its being widely reported that Dekker is Clasicomano Luigi which is not accurate. The spanish article linked specifically names Cancellara as Clasicomano Luigi and Dekker as plain old Classicomano.
Old german articles going back to 2008-2009 also refer to Dekker purely as classicomano without the luigi. Where some confusion has come in is shoddy translations by the english speaking press (and forums) and also in some of the articles from around 2009 Dekker is referred to as Dekker, 24, Classicomano, or Dekker, Classicomano, 24, which people have taken to mean identity number 24 (which is classicomano luigi) when in fact the original articles were referring to his age at the time.
from the stuff i have here i have info that Dekker was purely classicomano, Cancelllara (could be) the latter.
Oh heres a tweet from late january from a spanish tweeter mentioning cancellara
https://twitter.com/javitoatm/statuses/ ... 1871081472
Whats the provenance (sounding like Antiques Roadshow here) of that tweet/tweeter? Dont mean to be funny but who knows who and what's behind a tweet.0 -
ddraver wrote:ttps://twitter.com/javitoatm/statuses/296038801871081472
We don't really know basically...
Some words from Mr Canc would be good about now....[/quote]
I think its fair to say we dont know. Theres a lot of bad translating and speculation going on.
What we do likely know is that Dekker was Classicomano, and not Classicomano Luigi, thats being badly translated and reported for the reasons given above (and also spanish sources that say "a source says he is classicomano luigi" are being reported as "dekker admitted to being")
We also know there is no Luigi mentioned anywhere in the puerto documents that I can find, with the exception of Classicomano Luigi.
From then on it is purely speculation. Tyler says Luigi at ATOC, Cancellara spoke out at ATOC, Cancellara was a client of Luigi Checchini, 2+2=4 or maybe it doesnt. I have got a relatively full list of the puerto names and nicknames over on my forum, those who know me know where to find that.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:
Whats the provenance (sounding like Antiques Roadshow here) of that tweet/tweeter? Dont mean to be funny but who knows who and what's behind a tweet.
trying to find out, going back through old stuff and press articles that day but googling in spanish is a nightmare and twitters on a go slow. Cancellara had been rumoured with no name attached, and the Dekker thing kind of threw everyone off course.
going through the tweets, pretty standard Spanish tweeter, obviously clued up and anti doping. The full tweet is
"Sources Eufemiano (acojonando?) half the world. Hopefully talk ... heads would roll 'SMS' Sanchez, AC, Clasicomano Luigi (Cancellara) ... do not forget that bags are not only cyclists (56 of 200, 30%). Athletes, boxers, footballers, swimmers ... Astérix, El hemodruida, 4142, Valv.Piti, AC, JJ, Birillo, Friend of Birillo, Bufalo, Zapatero, Huerta, Clasicómano cycling Luigi ... but no dogs. European Children must be happy, heroes get blind, so blind ... know not endure this difficult question."
4142 being Hamilton, Piti we know, Birillo is Basso, Huerta is Lulu. Think rumours in Spain have been around a while about the names but unless you speak spanish, mix with spanish tweeters or or spanish forums you miss out.0 -
dimspace wrote:I have got a relatively full list of the puerto names and nicknames over on my forum, those who know me know where to find that.
Cool, been looking for it all set out on one page for a while, thanks.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Looking back at Cancellaras teams and who the Drs and fellow riders were on those teams I'm surprises he hasn't been linked before. Can't say id be surprised, but will be a sad day if we find out its him.0
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frenchfighter wrote:dimspace wrote:I have got a relatively full list of the puerto names and nicknames over on my forum, those who know me know where to find that.
Cool, been looking for it all set out on one page for a while, thanks.
lists are here. http://velorooms.com/index.php/topic,1783.0.html
first list covers nicknames, second list the ones named on training documents, and the third list the full list of names correlated to the first two.
feel free to copy and paste it over here, just give us a credit, i cant be bothered to copy it all over 0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Looking back at Cancellaras teams and who the Drs and fellow riders were on those teams I'm surprises he hasn't been linked before. Can't say id be surprised, but will be a sad day if we find out its him.
I think we have to accept, as i said on twitter a while ago, that with one or two exceptions (maybe a few more than that) pretty much everyone doped, riders we liked, riders we didnt like. The more critical thing now is how we can learn from it going forward.
But its like an addiction, before you can fix the problem, you have to accept there is a problem. And like those that wanted to defend Armstrong to their last breath, there are those that will spent inordinate amounts of effort defending a single rider, when ultimately, we just have to put our hands up, say they all doped, and figure out the solution.0 -
Good stuff sir.
Just wanted it for my own reference.Contador is the Greatest0 -
dimspace wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:
Whats the provenance (sounding like Antiques Roadshow here) of that tweet/tweeter? Dont mean to be funny but who knows who and what's behind a tweet.
trying to find out, going back through old stuff and press articles that day but googling in spanish is a nightmare and twitters on a go slow. Cancellara had been rumoured with no name attached, and the Dekker thing kind of threw everyone off course.
going through the tweets, pretty standard Spanish tweeter, obviously clued up and anti doping. The full tweet is
"Sources Eufemiano (acojonando?) half the world. Hopefully talk ... heads would roll 'SMS' Sanchez, AC, Clasicomano Luigi (Cancellara) ... do not forget that bags are not only cyclists (56 of 200, 30%). Athletes, boxers, footballers, swimmers ... Astérix, El hemodruida, 4142, Valv.Piti, AC, JJ, Birillo, Friend of Birillo, Bufalo, Zapatero, Huerta, Clasicómano cycling Luigi ... but no dogs. European Children must be happy, heroes get blind, so blind ... know not endure this difficult question."
4142 being Hamilton, Piti we know, Birillo is Basso, Huerta is Lulu. Think rumours in Spain have been around a while about the names but unless you speak spanish, mix with spanish tweeters or or spanish forums you miss out.
Thanks Dave
(the 'no dogs' is an immense relieve to canine lovers amongst us - and to former fans of Tugboat)0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Hello dimspace! Nice to see you pop in!
and hello bud. My name popped up on google so I thought I better check out why. Im off back to the real world now before i get spotted. 0 -
Spoke to the spanish tweeter, most of his info comes from the ciclismo2005 blog, which is clearly worth reading more often 0
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RichN95 wrote:The thing to remember here is that while the Rock Racers called him Luigi (if they did), they probably didn't actually know that he was Luigi for themselves. They most likely just used the prevailing gossip to have a pop.
Yeah.Tom Butcher wrote:I'm guessing it's possible Hamilton doesn't actually know who Luigi is but is just guessing it's Cancellera or has heard rumours and decided that was good enough to have a go back for what Cancellera said about them.frenchfighter wrote:There is also the possibility that Hamilton was wrong about the rider he was accusing. It doesn't seem far fetched that he was basically just going on rumours himself. So even if the rider was Cancellara, it doesn't mean he is 'luigi'. As far as I am aware these Puerto riders are not going to a room together and socialising.Contador is the Greatest0 -
No one should panic. Continue to watch and enjoy the classy powerhouse.
Looking like a climber in that pic eh ; )Contador is the Greatest0
