Puerto trial

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Saiz: "I told Fuentes that the doors to my team were open for him"
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    CONI's lawyer asks Manolo Saiz if he can identify Fuentes' "non-cyclists" clients. Saiz doesn't answer..
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Manolo Saiz: "I have never given my riders illegal products"
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Manolo Saiz: "I have never given my riders illegal products"


    Well, thanks to the Doc on tap, there was no need for Saiz to dish them out himself...
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Manolo Saiz was about to identify "RSOC" and his lawyer stopped him.
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Manolo Saiz was about to identify "RSOC" and his lawyer stopped him.

    Real Sociedad? Or is it an individual.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    No idea. If I come across it I will mention.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    So...Tyler H is testifying by satellite on 19 Feb. Best of luck to the defence lawyers and judge with trying to stop him from talking...
  • tailwindhome
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    Could someone point me to good reading on the background to all this?

    And the 'chicken' stuff too?

    Wasn't following cycling in those times.
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  • Lightning
    Lightning Posts: 360
    Cheers for all the scouting on twitter and updating FF.
    Timoid. wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Manolo Saiz was about to identify "RSOC" and his lawyer stopped him.

    Real Sociedad? Or is it an individual.
    It should be Real Sociedad.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Could someone point me to good reading on the background to all this?

    And the 'chicken' stuff too?

    Wasn't following cycling in those times.


    The USADA report has an appendix on OP - good start point

    http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Op ... erview.pdf
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Could someone point me to good reading on the background to all this?

    And the 'chicken' stuff too?

    Wasn't following cycling in those times.
    Wikipedia gives a decent overview of Operation Puerto and provides plenty of citations for further reading.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    So...Tyler H is testifying by satellite on 19 Feb. Best of luck to the defence lawyers and judge with trying to stop him from talking...

    Well what do you think he is going to say that he hasn't already? Think he is dead on real things to get more publicity and money. Maybe some more stupid allegations?

    Heavyweight loser that guy.

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    frenchfighter wrote:
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  • Richmond Racer
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    FF, firstly he's one of the key witnesses who can recount experiences which indisputably show failure of Eufe and his lovely assistant to carry out transfusions in a way which complied with a reasonable standard of public health - never mind teaching him how to do them at home himself.

    And....Riis....I doubt very much that he's going to allow himself to be shut up about Riis....

    And this would be in a public court hearing and under oath.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Yeah I heat you RR. No new names tho. I don't care that he got given an incorrect blood bag and that helps Fuentes go down.

    But yeah am sure he will be one of the more vocal ones.
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  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Yeah I heat you RR. No new names tho. I don't care that he got given an incorrect blood bag and that helps Fuentes go down.

    But yeah am sure he will be one of the more vocal ones.

    I'm hoping Tyler will be able to out a few of the non-cycling names. Its a long shot, but he might have seen names on bags and be in a position to do so. Then he would be my hero. Maybe.
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  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    BigMat wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Yeah I heat you RR. No new names tho. I don't care that he got given an incorrect blood bag and that helps Fuentes go down.

    But yeah am sure he will be one of the more vocal ones.

    I'm hoping Tyler will be able to out a few of the non-cycling names. Its a long shot, but he might have seen names on bags and be in a position to do so. Then he would be my hero. Maybe.

    What would be in it for him though?
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  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    frenchfighter wrote:

    Heavyweight loser that guy.

    I'd take the eventual honesty of Hamilton and Landis any day over the weasel words of the likes of Valverde and Contador who hide behind a national federation that aren't interested in either investigating or punishing blatant doping
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,451
    TailWindHome wrote:
    And the 'chicken' stuff too?

    Here's a good summary of the Rasmussen debacle at the 2007 Tour: http://www.ridemedia.com.au/?p=8573
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    inkyfingers wrote:
    BigMat wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Yeah I heat you RR. No new names tho. I don't care that he got given an incorrect blood bag and that helps Fuentes go down.

    But yeah am sure he will be one of the more vocal ones.

    I'm hoping Tyler will be able to out a few of the non-cycling names. Its a long shot, but he might have seen names on bags and be in a position to do so. Then he would be my hero. Maybe.

    What would be in it for him though?

    I don't know - publicity?! Anyone who names Nadal and Barcelona under oath is going to get a fair few google hits - might help sell a few books? Looking at it another way, why wouldn't he name names? No vested interest so I'm hoping he might just blurt a few out before the entirely impartial Spanish judge can stop him!
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    BigMat wrote:
    inkyfingers wrote:
    BigMat wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Yeah I heat you RR. No new names tho. I don't care that he got given an incorrect blood bag and that helps Fuentes go down.

    But yeah am sure he will be one of the more vocal ones.

    I'm hoping Tyler will be able to out a few of the non-cycling names. Its a long shot, but he might have seen names on bags and be in a position to do so. Then he would be my hero. Maybe.

    What would be in it for him though?

    I don't know - publicity?! Anyone who names Nadal and Barcelona under oath is going to get a fair few google hits - might help sell a few books? Looking at it another way, why wouldn't he name names? No vested interest so I'm hoping he might just blurt a few out before the entirely impartial Spanish judge can stop him!


    Cant see it myself. Remember, the names were coded...mind you, the senile assistant might have dropped a name or two, I s'pose.

    I think he's more likely to rip into Riis.
  • powerbookboy
    powerbookboy Posts: 241
    Mind-boggling that the judge turned down an offer to name all the names. In fact more than that. Positively corrupt.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    But in the context of the actual trial, rather than the trial you want, the names are irrelevant
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  • powerbookboy
    powerbookboy Posts: 241
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    But in the context of the actual trial, rather than the trial you want, the names are irrelevant

    Might make useful witnesses.
  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    powerbookboy wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    But in the context of the actual trial, rather than the trial you want, the names are irrelevant

    Might make useful witnesses.

    Quite - the whole thing stinks, a massive cover-up
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Blanco have suspended LL Cool Sanchez when they were shocked to discover a newspaper from 2006 that mentioned he was involved in Puerto
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    iainf72 wrote:
    Blanco have suspended LL Cool Sanchez when they were shocked to discover a newspaper from 2006 that mentioned he was involved in Puerto

    They must be the only ones who are.
  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    iainf72 wrote:
    Blanco have suspended LL Cool Sanchez when they were shocked to discover a newspaper from 2006 that mentioned he was involved in Puerto

    You get the feeling that they've been waiting for a decent excuse to jetison LL given the recent comments by the DS criticising his re-up
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    bipedal wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Blanco have suspended LL Cool Sanchez when they were shocked to discover a newspaper from 2006 that mentioned he was involved in Puerto

    You get the feeling that they've been waiting for a decent excuse to jetison LL given the recent comments by the DS criticising his re-up


    Well, the idiotic management went and re-signed him for 3 years just days before Rabo pulled out

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