Richmond Park, roundabouts and that f*cking Dynamo

cyclingprop

DonDaddyD wrote:

vermin wrote:

@Tailwindhome

You are trying to get me, as a member of Dynamo, to say that what the Dynamo do is wrong.

Now I understand your irrational bias.

1. A group of cyclists, 'Dynamos', don't give way to the right.

2. They pull out on a car halfway around a roundabout that is to their right.

3. Driver (me) complains about this on one website where he has been a member since 2006-07.

4. Somehow, under your logic, the driver is out of order for complaining about and needs to "grow up"

You need to wind your neck in mate, humble and show some humility. The dignified thing would be to simply say that you'd have a word with your club mates because London Dynamo do have a policy of observing the rules of the road and do not advocate dangerous cycling (which it was) or actions that would put themselves or others in danger. However, each member is only human and do from time to time get excited. You're a cycling 'D', you should know what's that like judging from your SCR posts.

Had you said something like the above as oppose to telling me to "grow up" and accusing me of trying to damage the reputation of your club [you go ahead mate, if they ride like that then they'll do it all by themselves] I'd actually have some respect for what your saying.

That's the trouble, people are so unwilling to see the other side of the argument. I was, I understood what the Dynamo's were doing and this is why I was prepared to stop and didn't overtake them until I was out of the park as oppose of exerting my right of way and forcing them to stop.

Based on the direction of the thread, it's probably fair to point out that you two aren't mates. Unless you're Australian?

vermin

DonDaddyD wrote:

vermin wrote:

@Tailwindhome

You are trying to get me, as a member of Dynamo, to say that what the Dynamo do is wrong.

Now I understand your irrational bias. Childish

1. A group of cyclists, 'Dynamos', don't give way to the right. So you say - one example.


2. They pull out on a car halfway around a roundabout that is to their right. So you say - one example. Have you never made a mistake in the years you have been cycling?

3. Driver (me) complains about this on one website where he has been a member since 2006-07. Using offensive language to discredit the whole club in a public forum because of your perception of the actions of one small group on one occasion.

4. Somehow, under your logic, the driver is out of order for complaining about and needs to "grow up". Yes. The complaint is not out of order. As RJST said, the mode of complaining is. It's simply not appropriate. The big problem is that it risks making you look like an irrational, emotional individual.

You need to wind your neck in mate, humble and show some humility. No I don't. I have said nothing irrational. I have conceded some points made in a rational manner by others here. You have been grossly insulting to my club and therefore, by association, to me. The dignified thing would be to simply say that you'd have a word with your club mates because London Dynamo do have a policy of observing the rules of the road and do not advocate dangerous cycling (which it was) or actions that would put themselves or others in danger. However, each member is only human and do from time to time get excited. You're a cycling 'D', you should know what's that like judging from your SCR posts. I'm not sure what this means, but I'm sure it's some sort of trailer to lead you into further insults.

Had you said something like the above as oppose to telling me to "grow up" and accusing me of trying to damage the reputation of your club [you go ahead mate, if they ride like that then they'll do it all by themselves] I'd actually have some respect for what your saying.

That's the trouble, people are so unwilling to see the other side of the argument. You are so droll. I was, I understood what the Dynamo's were doing and this is why I was prepared to stop and didn't overtake them until I was out of the park as oppose of exerting my right of way and forcing them to stop.

Well done you, now how about letting it drop instead of storing it up for an opportunity to use offensive language to insult every member of a large cycling club.

vermin

cyclingprop wrote:

Based on the direction of the thread, it's probably fair to point out that you two aren't mates. Unless you're Australian?

I've never even met him, but don't like to be insulted like this.

rjsterry

Asprilla wrote:

Paulie W wrote:

vermin wrote:

Group riding helps nodders to gain invaluable riding skills, which will benefit them and other road users. However, when starting out, it can be dangerous and/or intimidating and I would suggest that the relative safety of the park is a good place to learn those skills. Yes, it may get in the way of other cyclists, but other cyclists might recognise the greater good that is being done. Further, I know this is a hostage to fortune but, the Dynamo really are only there for a couple of hours a week, so other riders could cut them some slack and work around the 'problem'.

This is remarkable! The idea that somehow these chaingangs are for the benefit of all cyclists and indeed all road users beggars belief; and even more so the idea that we could all b*gger off for a few hours and leave them to this valuable education work.

Indeed. I think I just trod on my own jaw.

Definitely a bit of a stretch, that one. Personally, the Surrey lanes are nearer than RP, and just as (if not more) quiet, not to mention containing some proper hills . When I did live nearer, I still preferred getting out into the lanes to playing follow my leader.

vermin

Asprilla wrote:

Paulie W wrote:

This is remarkable! The idea that somehow these chaingangs are for the benefit of all cyclists and indeed all road users beggars belief; and even more so the idea that we could all b*gger off for a few hours and leave them to this valuable education work.

Indeed. I think I just trod on my own jaw.

Well, I said it would be a hostage to fortune. But I think I'm just not clever enough to understand why there has to be such acrimony towards a group. I can't speak for the club or any other member, but I don't believe that club members have any greater or lesser right than anyone else to cycle in the park at any time. However, if I don't want to watch X-Factor I don't use offensive language to publicly condemn the show, I switch channels.

cyclingprop

vermin wrote:

cyclingprop wrote:

Based on the direction of the thread, it's probably fair to point out that you two aren't mates. Unless you're Australian?

I've never even met him, but don't like to be insulted like this.

8) . Mate.

DonDaddyD

vermin wrote:

However, if I don't want to watch X-Factor I don't use offensive language to publicly condemn the show, I switch channels.

You're complaing about the fact that I put the word f*cking in my thread title? You've taking this personally? How about you grow up?

Let me get this right:

1. A group of cyclists pull out from the left on someone who has fully entered a roundabout. Forcing the person to stop their vehicle - for their safety - they ride across him and don't even so much as say thank you.

2. The person who they've pulled out on/cut up complains publicly.

3. You somehow believe that the person who complained publicly is in the wrong. NOT the cyclists who ignored the rules of the road and did something danagerous.

Is that what you think?

If it is not and you think the cyclists were in the wrong, then does it not follow that had the cyclists observed the rules of road, demonstrated safe cycling and stopped the person who was pulled out on/cut up (i.e. me) wouldn't need to complain, regardless of the medium he/she/me/I choose to use?

Paul E

Gets out some popcorn....sits back and lets it all go the right way

DonDaddyD

vermin wrote:

cyclingprop wrote:

Based on the direction of the thread, it's probably fair to point out that you two aren't mates. Unless you're Australian?

I've never even met him, but don't like to be insulted like this.

Seems a bit hypocritical when this is your opening post in the thread:

vermin wrote:

@DDD

Grow up.

But then you do seem to think I'm in the wrong for complaining that a group of cyclists did something dangerous...

Paulie W

vermin wrote:

Asprilla wrote:

Paulie W wrote:

This is remarkable! The idea that somehow these chaingangs are for the benefit of all cyclists and indeed all road users beggars belief; and even more so the idea that we could all b*gger off for a few hours and leave them to this valuable education work.

Indeed. I think I just trod on my own jaw.

Well, I said it would be a hostage to fortune. But I think I'm just not clever enough to understand why there has to be such acrimony towards a group. I can't speak for the club or any other member, but I don't believe that club members have any greater or lesser right than anyone else to cycle in the park at any time. However, if I don't want to watch X-Factor I don't use offensive language to publicly condemn the show, I switch channels.

Leaving aside DDD's approach, quite a few other people in this thread have highlighted issues with the behaviour of individuals or groups wearing Dynamo kit - add me to that list - in RP. Do a quick search on this forum and you'll find a lot more people with poor experiences. The issue seems to be that some Dynamo groups behave as if they have more rights than others in the park.

You're X-Factor analogy seems to suggest if you don't like it go and ride somewhere else - and you're right, if you think that's an acceptable response, you're not 'clever enough'.

rubertoe

Rick Chasey wrote:

You agree to go on a program like this, you expect to get some sh!t. Especially on the internet.

Naive to think otherwise.

I remember speaking to someone who works on the apprentice and I asked them how they find these morons. She said quite honestly that it's pretty self selective. Only morons apply to be on it.

I imagine the TV producers for this programme thought the same. The kind of guy who makes TV that gets people talking is the kind of guy who a) films it and b) is happy for it to all be on TV with supporting interviews.

Wrong Thread Rick.

vermin

DonDaddyD wrote:

vermin wrote:

However, if I don't want to watch X-Factor I don't use offensive language to publicly condemn the show, I switch channels.

You're complaing about the fact that I put the word f*cking in my thread title? You've taking this personally? How about you grow up?

Let me get this right:

A group of cyclist pull out from the left on a someone.

The person who they've pulled out on complains publicly.

The person who complained publicly is in the wrong. NOT the cyclists who ignored the rules of the road and did something danagerous.

Is that what you think? If it is not and you think the cyclists were in the wrong, then does it not then follow that had the cyclists observed the rules of road, demonstrated safe cycling and stopped the person who was pulled out on wouldn't need to complain, regardless of the medium he/she chose to use?

How about this.

According to your personal account, the cyclists are in the wrong. Those being a small group from one club, representing, perhaps 1% of club members. You choose not to have a quiet word with the club committee, as any well mannered individual might, but to criticise the whole club and all of it's members, using offensive language, in a public forum.

Yes, you are in the wrong. You have directed an insulting comment towards numerous people you don't know, including men, women, children and me. Your behaviour is both pathetic and abhorrent.

I don't know if the cyclists were in the wrong.

vermin

Paulie W wrote:

You're X-Factor analogy seems to suggest if you don't like it go and ride somewhere else - and you're right, if you think that's an acceptable response, you're not 'clever enough'.

Or, I could just sit there and watch it. I could just get on with life and accept that X-Factor is on telly. I could even just accept that some people like X-Factor. I don't need to complain. I don't need to insult people.

pinkbikini

Chaingangs in the park will always have the potential to contain some element of error – it sounds like that was all it was. An error on the part of the riders, not the car, by the sound of it. Definitely the sort of issue to be brought up at the next Saturday park ride in the briefing – we should be able to anticipate and also be prepared to slow/stop where necessary. Not something likely to get an apology though, if the initial complaint includes referring to the entire club as ‘f*cking Dynamo”. Try being civil and you’ll get a more considered response – we’re pretty decent people.

I think an attempt is made to answer all emails/complaints to LD in a constructive way, but that may not have always happened in the past. You can include emails to the club sponsor for sure, if you can work out who the current one is – I reckon the majority of Dynamos don’t know either! Joking aside, genuine grievances will (or at least should) always be addressed.

Personally I think the park is a good place to learn and practice the skills of group riding, and a poor place to drive a car as a short-cut to avoid traffic. But each to their own…

Cheers, Nick

DonDaddyD

It is gonna be a long one chaps!

vermin wrote:

Yes Minister..

Where in my post have I criticised the whole club and all of its members? In my opening post I think its clear that its a group of London Dynamos and not the entire club.

Why should I not post about their behaviour on a public forum that I have particpated on for a number of years? I might add that I am not in breach of the forum rules. You have never addressed this point, if you, or any other member/s, of your club do not like bad publicity then perhaps they should not act badly on the roads.

In this thread a number of people, some who don't actually have much time for me, point out to you that they do not care for the attitude of some London Dynamos, especially on group rides. You would claim they weren't being truthful as well?

I'm a cyclist I'm not going to lie, I've got nothing to gain here. The only thing that is pathetic and abhorrent is your inability to acknowledge the wrong doing of your club or that they could be in the wrong.

vermin

Enough time wasted. Cheers.

markchalmers

Lunch time reading for sure

DonDaddyD

pinkbikini wrote:

Not something likely to get an apology though, if the initial complaint includes referring to the entire club as ‘f*cking Dynamo”. Try being civil and you’ll get a more considered response – we’re pretty decent people.

I know! How about I don't stop next time? Seeing as some of your riders won't show coutersy and some London Dynamo club members on here are seemingly devoid of humility.

How about making an improved effort to get your club members - especially in group runs - to observe the rules of the road. Then I won't have to refer to the clubs name as 'f*cking Dynamo'.

Personally I think the park is a good place to learn and practice the skills of group riding, and a poor place to drive a car as a short-cut to avoid traffic. But each to their own…

Yes or No: Is it illegal to drive through the park?

Yes or No: Do we give way to vehicles coming from the right on a roundabout?

Download this, share it with your club: https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-t ... 184-to-190

185

When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights

rjsterry

DonDaddyD wrote:

It is gonna be a long one chaps!

vermin wrote:

Yes Minister..

Where in my post have I criticised the whole club and all of its members? In my opening post I think its clear that its a group of London Dynamos and not the entire club.

Why should I not post about their behaviour on a public forum that I have particpated on for a number of years? I might add that I am not in breach of the forum rules. You have never addressed this point, if you, or any other member/s, of your club do not like bad publicity then perhaps they should not act badly on the roads.

In this thread a number of people, some who don't actually have much time for me, point out to you that they do not care for the attitude of some London Dynamos, especially on group rides. You would claim they weren't being truthful as well?

I'm a cyclist I'm not going to lie, I've got nothing to gain here. The only thing that is pathetic and abhorrent is your inability to acknowledge the wrong doing of your club or that they could be in the wrong.

In the title, obviously: "that f*cking Dynamo". That's what is quite rightly getting Vermin's back up. Just to ram it home, you go and do it again in the last sentence above - blaming the *whole* club for one incident. Reacting to one relatively minor incident with swearing and hyperbole is making you look more than a little unreasonable.

Paulie W

vermin wrote:

Paulie W wrote:

You're X-Factor analogy seems to suggest if you don't like it go and ride somewhere else - and you're right, if you think that's an acceptable response, you're not 'clever enough'.

Or, I could just sit there and watch it. I could just get on with life and accept that X-Factor is on telly. I could even just accept that some people like X-Factor. I don't need to complain. I don't need to insult people.

Really, what are you on about?!

DonDaddyD

rjsterry wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

It is gonna be a long one chaps!

vermin wrote:

Yes Minister..

Where in my post have I criticised the whole club and all of its members? In my opening post I think its clear that its a group of London Dynamos and not the entire club.

Why should I not post about their behaviour on a public forum that I have particpated on for a number of years? I might add that I am not in breach of the forum rules. You have never addressed this point, if you, or any other member/s, of your club do not like bad publicity then perhaps they should not act badly on the roads.

In this thread a number of people, some who don't actually have much time for me, point out to you that they do not care for the attitude of some London Dynamos, especially on group rides. You would claim they weren't being truthful as well?

I'm a cyclist I'm not going to lie, I've got nothing to gain here. The only thing that is pathetic and abhorrent is your inability to acknowledge the wrong doing of your club or that they could be in the wrong.

In the title, obviously: "that f*cking Dynamo". That's what is quite rightly getting Vermin's back up. Just to ram it home, you go and do it again in the last sentence above - blaming the *whole* club for one incident. Reacting to one relatively minor incident with swearing and hyperbole is making you look more than a little unreasonable.

You're right on that, I have contradicted myself. I actually don't feel bad for doing so. A group of cyclists pull out on me from the left when I'm on a roundabout and I'm in the wrong for typing the word f*cking and then their club name. Let's not mention that their actions in club kit contributes to the negative perception.

Then their members on here refuse to see the riders wrong doing and much rather attack me for being there - when driving through the park is not wrong or illegal (sometimes I drive my son through the park he enjoys it) - and attack me for typing the word 'f*cking'. I wouldn't have need to create this thread had members from London Dynamo observed the rules of the road, which they should be doing. However, lets ignore that and lets ignore that I could have easily killed or maimed them had I no knowledge or experience of the fact that it would be unlikely that they would stop (even though they should). I've typed f*cking and that is the larger issue here. :roll:

This is why there is often an issue between motorists and cyclists. No common ground can be found. I'm less worried about the word f*cking and more concerned about the group of cyclists I could have wiped out.

However, seeing as this is the wall of obnoixous-pompousity I'm faced with I won't be stopping next time. Then you can tell me where I've gone wrong and whether typing the word f*cking on here is worse.

notsoblue

rjsterry wrote:

In the title, obviously: "that f*cking Dynamo". That's what is quite rightly getting Vermin's back up. Just to ram it home, you go and do it again in the last sentence above - blaming the *whole* club for one incident. Reacting to one relatively minor incident with swearing and hyperbole is making you look more than a little unreasonable.

Its getting like the Daily Mail comments section in here. It is becoming fashionable generalise and slag off whole groups of cyclists for for just anything. Is this a result of the War on Britain's Roads I wonder?

notsoblue

DonDaddyD wrote:

However, seeing as this is the wall of obnoixous-pompousity I'm faced with I won't be stopping next time. Then you can tell me where I've gone wrong and whether typing the word f*cking on here is worse.

Quoted for legal reasons

iPete

I don't see how this thread is different to those who come on to blame wiggle, PBK etc. before bothering to contact the retailer.

And they all fairly get flamed.

rjsterry

DonDaddyD wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

It is gonna be a long one chaps!

vermin wrote:

Yes Minister..

Where in my post have I criticised the whole club and all of its members? In my opening post I think its clear that its a group of London Dynamos and not the entire club.

Why should I not post about their behaviour on a public forum that I have particpated on for a number of years? I might add that I am not in breach of the forum rules. You have never addressed this point, if you, or any other member/s, of your club do not like bad publicity then perhaps they should not act badly on the roads.

In this thread a number of people, some who don't actually have much time for me, point out to you that they do not care for the attitude of some London Dynamos, especially on group rides. You would claim they weren't being truthful as well?

I'm a cyclist I'm not going to lie, I've got nothing to gain here. The only thing that is pathetic and abhorrent is your inability to acknowledge the wrong doing of your club or that they could be in the wrong.

In the title, obviously: "that f*cking Dynamo". That's what is quite rightly getting Vermin's back up. Just to ram it home, you go and do it again in the last sentence above - blaming the *whole* club for one incident. Reacting to one relatively minor incident with swearing and hyperbole is making you look more than a little unreasonable.

You're right on that, I have contradicted myself. I actually don't feel bad for doing so. A group of cyclists pull out on me from the left when I'm on a roundabout and I'm in the wrong for typing the word f*cking and then their club name. Let's not mention that their actions in club kit contributes to the negative perception.

Then their members on here refuse to see the riders wrong doing and much rather attack me for being there - when driving through the park is not wrong or illegal (sometimes I drive my son through the park he enjoys it) - and attack me for typing the word 'f*cking'. I wouldn't have need to create this thread had members from London Dynamo observed the rules of the road, which they should be doing. However, lets ignore that and lets ignore that I could have easily killed or maimed them had I no knowledge or experience of the fact that it would be unlikely that they would stop (even though they should). I've typed f*cking and that is the larger issue here. :roll:

This is why there is often an issue between motorists and cyclists. No common ground can be found. I'm less worried about the word f*cking and more concerned about the group of cyclists I could have wiped out.

However, seeing as this is the wall of obnoixous-pompousity I'm faced with I won't be stopping next time. Then you can tell me where I've gone wrong and whether typing the word f*cking on here is worse.

Yes. You're familiar with the expression "two wrongs don't make a right"? I've already said that the pull out on the roundabout was their (the riders) mistake - you want to see if you can out do them on the obnoxious front? It's not the larger issue, but now we have two issues instead of one.

vermin

DonDaddyD wrote:

Then their members on here refuse to see the riders wrong doing and much rather attack me for being there - when driving through the park is not wrong or illegal (sometimes I drive my son through the park he enjoys it) - and attack me for typing the word 'f*cking'.

I wasn't going to continue to feed you, but I should just clarify that whilst I obviously cannot comment on the incident to which you refer, in the 19 posts I have wasted in this thread, I have conceded on 8 separate occasions that Dynamo riders are capable of making mistakes.

DonDaddyD

notsoblue wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

However, seeing as this is the wall of obnoixous-pompousity I'm faced with I won't be stopping next time. Then you can tell me where I've gone wrong and whether typing the word f*cking on here is worse.

Quoted for legal reasons

But that's the point, it won't be me. I've been riding most of my life from their speed the size of the group and previous experience of Richardmond Park and London Dynamos had me prepared that they won't stop.

What it will be is an innocent driver - driving to the rules as he has been taught - and wiping a chaingang out because they're supposed to stop and they won't for whatever 'its our park logic' they adhere to.

spasypaddy

In my experience, big clubs have some bad riders in them that bring the rest of the club down.

My experiences with Dynamo are that some of them are nice, very friendly, but the large groups can sometimes be a law unto themselves. In fact i had a great ride in RP with a random dynamo rider who just so happened to be starting his laps at the same time as me. We rode together for a few laps before going out separate ways.

What did happen on this ride which he apologised for was the way a large group of Dynamo riders came past us, not giving us enough space and causing a nuisance to us both. He was in Dynamo kit, I was in plain kit as i wasnt a member of a club at the time.

What i do find amusing is that Dynamo are the biggest club in London probably by some distance, however there are 4 or 5 other very big clubs who don't get anywhere near the level of flack that Dynamo do. Why is this?

Paul E

DonDaddyD wrote:

obnoixous-pompousity

The highest height of irony

notsoblue

DonDaddyD wrote:

notsoblue wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

However, seeing as this is the wall of obnoixous-pompousity I'm faced with I won't be stopping next time. Then you can tell me where I've gone wrong and whether typing the word f*cking on here is worse.

Quoted for legal reasons

But that's the point, it won't be me. I've been riding most of my life from their speed the size of the group and previous experience of Richardmond Park and London Dynamos had me prepared that they won't stop.

What it will be is an innocent driver - driving to the rules as he has been taught - and wiping a chaingang out because they're supposed to stop and they won't for whatever 'its our park logic' they adhere to.

But at least they'll get your point, finally, won't they?

Bloody cyclists.