Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

TheBigBean

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

It's a simple rule but a good one. No hot fish in the office. Especially no heating fish up in the office.

Does that go for curries too?

Given I work with quite a few Bangladeshi and Indian colleagues, I’ll not push that one too hard tbh.

There is something about that fish smell however that lingers, almost like p!ss. Awful. Hangs around all day too.

If you ban anything hot, you solve that issue.

I'd include toast in that.

The only two functions for a toaster in the office are 1. To provide a legitimate reason to stop working for 15 minutes in the mid morning and 2. To set off a fire alarm.

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

Putting two and two together, I'd venture that Brian predominantly sees parents and their children at the start and the end of a school day.

When, if not at those times, is there anything worth showing interest in?

rick_chasey

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

It's a simple rule but a good one. No hot fish in the office. Especially no heating fish up in the office.

Does that go for curries too?

Given I work with quite a few Bangladeshi and Indian colleagues, I’ll not push that one too hard tbh.

There is something about that fish smell however that lingers, almost like p!ss. Awful. Hangs around all day too.

If you ban anything hot, you solve that issue.

I'd include toast in that.

The only two functions for a toaster in the office are 1. To provide a legitimate reason to stop working for 15 minutes in the mid morning and 2. To set off a fire alarm.

I recon 70% of the office has hot lunches, so that's not gonna happen (me included).

TheBigBean

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

Putting two and two together, I'd venture that Brian predominantly sees parents and their children at the start and the end of a school day.

When, if not at those times, is there anything worth showing interest in?

I don't completely understand your question, but you are probably right - parenting judgement by teachers which, of course, is very different from teaching judgement by parents.

briantrumpet

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

I'm not sure what argument you're trying to have. The data's there that enormous variation happens at a societal level, and when I see parents more interested in their phone than their child, it annoys me, for the reasons given.

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

Putting two and two together, I'd venture that Brian predominantly sees parents and their children at the start and the end of a school day.

When, if not at those times, is there anything worth showing interest in?

I don't completely understand your question, but you are probably right - parenting judgement by teachers which, of course, is very different from teaching judgement by parents.

Just postulating that if Facebook is more co.pelling when you've got most to talk about, it could be a worrying sign.

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

Putting two and two together, I'd venture that Brian predominantly sees parents and their children at the start and the end of a school day.

When, if not at those times, is there anything worth showing interest in?

The world is populated by parents in all sorts of places, and I go all sorts of places too... I am let out of school from time to time. And given my interests in education, language acquisition and brain development, it's not entirely surprising that I observe stuff out in the wild.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

Putting two and two together, I'd venture that Brian predominantly sees parents and their children at the start and the end of a school day.

When, if not at those times, is there anything worth showing interest in?

The world is populated by parents in all sorts of places, and I go all sorts of places too... I am let out of school from time to time. And given my interests in education, language acquisition and brain development, it's not entirely surprising that I observe stuff out in the wild.

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

Putting two and two together, I'd venture that Brian predominantly sees parents and their children at the start and the end of a school day.

When, if not at those times, is there anything worth showing interest in?

The world is populated by parents in all sorts of places, and I go all sorts of places too... I am let out of school from time to time. And given my interests in education, language acquisition and brain development, it's not entirely surprising that I observe stuff out in the wild.

I may have overpostulated.

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

Putting two and two together, I'd venture that Brian predominantly sees parents and their children at the start and the end of a school day.

When, if not at those times, is there anything worth showing interest in?

The world is populated by parents in all sorts of places, and I go all sorts of places too... I am let out of school from time to time. And given my interests in education, language acquisition and brain development, it's not entirely surprising that I observe stuff out in the wild.

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

Putting two and two together, I'd venture that Brian predominantly sees parents and their children at the start and the end of a school day.

When, if not at those times, is there anything worth showing interest in?

The world is populated by parents in all sorts of places, and I go all sorts of places too... I am let out of school from time to time. And given my interests in education, language acquisition and brain development, it's not entirely surprising that I observe stuff out in the wild.

I may have overpostulated.

FWIW, there's only one pupil's parent I see fairly regularly after school. The rest of my pupils are feral.

First.Aspect

This is like the Nissan Juke getting car of the year, and just encourages ugly.

briantrumpet

Aren't angles unnecessarily introduced points of stress/strain? Whatever reason the designer states, I'd humbly suggest it's codswallop... they've just done it to be different.

masjer

First.Aspect said:

This is like the Nissan Juke getting car of the year, and just encourages ugly.

That dogleg top tube looks awful and must be weaker than a straight tube.

First.Aspect

masjer said:

First.Aspect said:

This is like the Nissan Juke getting car of the year, and just encourages ugly.

That dogleg top tube looks awful and must be weaker than a straight tube.

Well they've made it stiffer, so you have to make it more flexible to compensate, right?

It's just the same as threaded press fit bearings.

masjer

briantrumpet said:

Aren't angles unnecessarily introduced points of stress/strain? Whatever reason the designer states, I'd humbly suggest it's codswallop... they've just done it to be different.

No doubt it'll be sold as being more compliant.

TheBigBean

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

I'm not sure what argument you're trying to have. The data's there that enormous variation happens at a societal level, and when I see parents more interested in their phone than their child, it annoys me, for the reasons given.

I don't think you can reasonably be annoyed by single observable events even if you think society as a whole is failing. The single events may have other explanations.

TheBigBean

To give another example, it is a bit like reading that the current focus on teaching phonics doesn't work that well overall, and concluding from this that all phonics in any context is bad.

briantrumpet

TheBigBean said:

To give another example, it is a bit like reading that the current focus on teaching phonics doesn't work that well overall, and concluding from this that all phonics in any context is bad.

I didn't do that, but carry on.

Pross

First.Aspect said:

This is like the Nissan Juke getting car of the year, and just encourages ugly.

I assume they gave it the award as compensation for their tester apparently crashing it at speed into a wall?

First.Aspect

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

This is like the Nissan Juke getting car of the year, and just encourages ugly.

I assume they gave it the award as compensation for their tester apparently crashing it at speed into a wall?

But it has disc brakes.

mully79

Trying to find that viral video of some dude straightening a tacoed wheel in one go with his head is so tedious.
Anyone have a link or know how to program AI to look for it 😜 ?

pinno

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

This is like the Nissan Juke getting car of the year, and just encourages ugly.

I assume they gave it the award as compensation for their tester apparently crashing it at speed into a wall?

Did it win anything? It says 'contender' quite clearly.

Pross

pinno said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

This is like the Nissan Juke getting car of the year, and just encourages ugly.

I assume they gave it the award as compensation for their tester apparently crashing it at speed into a wall?

Did it win anything? It says 'contender' quite clearly.

Alright, recommended it for that reason.

pinno

£4499 Campag wireless groupset?! wtf

rick_chasey

I am a sucker for corporate speak, but a particular bugbear of mine is people who say "let's take that offline" in meetings, what they mean is "it's not appropriate to discuss a 1 on 1 issue in a meeting, so let's talk about it together afterwards". Doubly so when said in an actual face-to-face meeting.

pangolin

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

TheBigBean said:

briantrumpet said:

And to be fair to me, I do know a few bits about language acquisition and stuff. Yes, I know parenting is really really hard, not least as you have to make it up as you go along, with all the other demands on life. But the talking bit is vitally important, not just for language skills, but actually for the structure of the brain. The recent study here implicates myelin, which helps form 'super highways' in the infant brain.

https://news.mit.edu/2018/conversation-boost-childrens-brain-response-language-0214

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/may/15/talking-to-babies-may-help-shape-brain-structure-research-finds

You don't work 24 hours a day though. The parent that you are looking down on may have been up all night singing a complete collection of nursery rhymes and, in the brief moment that you saw them, may have realised they finally had the opportunity to call someone to sort out something that urgently needed doing.

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.

If you read the studies, you'll see that there's documented wide divergence in the amount of conversational language children receive, and that's not down to the occasional urgent call. It's all the bits in between.

I misunderstood this "parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram" as a fairly specific criticism rather than a comment on society as a whole.

I'm not sure what argument you're trying to have. The data's there that enormous variation happens at a societal level, and when I see parents more interested in their phone than their child, it annoys me, for the reasons given.

Alcoholism is bad, do you get annoyed every time you see anyone drinking alcohol?

rjsterry

briantrumpet said:

Oh, while we're on the subject of mobiles, parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram. Everything that is said to that child is building its brain and its personality, and everything it says should be listened to and responded to, if they want to give its brain the best chance. Get off the fvcking phone.

As a variant, taking your children to dinner in a restaurant, parking them in front of a tablet with headphones and ignoring them for the whole meal.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Oh, while we're on the subject of mobiles, parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram. Everything that is said to that child is building its brain and its personality, and everything it says should be listened to and responded to, if they want to give its brain the best chance. Get off the fvcking phone.

As a variant, taking your children to dinner in a restaurant, parking them in front of a tablet with headphones and ignoring them for the whole meal.

Saves £15 for the baby sitter. That's both main courses.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Oh, while we're on the subject of mobiles, parents who would rather chat to someone else or scroll through Facebook on their phone while dragging a silent child along with the other hand or pushing its pram. Everything that is said to that child is building its brain and its personality, and everything it says should be listened to and responded to, if they want to give its brain the best chance. Get off the fvcking phone.

As a variant, taking your children to dinner in a restaurant, parking them in front of a tablet with headphones and ignoring them for the whole meal.

Didn't think you would side with Brian on his judgemental twaddle.

veronese68

Can we add couples that go out for a meal together then spend the whole time looking at their phones,
I know it's not affecting individual development, but it's definitely odd.