Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

Well what has priority? Who was there first or what is in the interest of society collectively?

Hmm, not difficult.

So why aren't there huge windfarms in the south of England? I'm confused because the wind resouce is similar to places where they try to out them up here. The only explanation is people don't like them, so they put them nearer to people they care less about.

Not a fan of them, because there are more effective technologies available.

What are your thoughts on nuclear? Would you be okay with several more power stations on the coast? That's fairly likely I think.

Nuclear is fine. You might want to look at a map before you spout off windfarms being imposed on the North.

For onshore, I read that as the largest and greatest number being in the North. It isn't binary, but you need to get to the wash before you find anything large.

And it doesn't match this very well does it?

https://images.app.goo.gl/qu7LZggfKiVvbMve9

The cotswolds, Derbyshire and the North downs, as well as much of East anglia are pretty good - as I said as good or better than some places they have put them.

But wind turbines and wealthy thathed roofed villages don't mix. It is absurd to argue otherwise.

That image looks to match the major concentrations of turbines pretty well. There are more in the North of the UK because it is windier there.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

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TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

So despite subsidies being available throughout the UK, evil Londoners conspired to build them in Scotland just to annoy people?

No, because there are fewer people to annoy and/or they are further away. And also because the party they send money to basically put prohibitive planning restrictions in place in England that don't apply in Scotland. Because no one really votes for the tories up here so who cares.

Bingo. It's empty and windy up there.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Jezyboy said:

Stevo_666 said:

shirley_basso said:

Profits should be within reason when you are providing an essential service.

Food is pretty essential but I dont see any moves to cap the profits of Tesco etc.

I can see the point of intervention where its a monopoly or oligopoly situation, but there are quite a few suppliers in the energy market and it is regulated anyway by OFGEM.

The customer facing side doesn't really seem like a particularly good example of a well functioning free market.

Not sure what you mean, but it doesn't address my point.

The ofgem regulated market is not where the massive profits have been made.

Still doesn't address my point.

It was a silly point that can't be addressed. Tesco would be more like the energy suppliers to the public. And there is no equivalent of "food" as a single commodity being traded on a global market subject to price fluctuations in a similar way to oil.

In that alternate universe, and if Tesco also owned a "food" production business that was making enormous profits when all food prices went up by 100% across the board, I would imagine exactly the same moves to use some of that profit to help people to eat would be called for.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

So despite subsidies being available throughout the UK, evil Londoners conspired to build them in Scotland just to annoy people?

No, because there are fewer people to annoy and/or they are further away. And also because the party they send money to basically put prohibitive planning restrictions in place in England that don't apply in Scotland. Because no one really votes for the tories up here so who cares.

Bingo. It's empty and windy up there.

No, people live here.

Let's flip it around. Someone in North Wales gets their view buggered, shadow flicker and/or noise at night.

You say, well its for the planet.

They say, hang on, why do I have to suffer more than you?

It's just perspectives.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

Well what has priority? Who was there first or what is in the interest of society collectively?

Hmm, not difficult.

So why aren't there huge windfarms in the south of England? I'm confused because the wind resouce is similar to places where they try to out them up here. The only explanation is people don't like them, so they put them nearer to people they care less about.

Not a fan of them, because there are more effective technologies available.

What are your thoughts on nuclear? Would you be okay with several more power stations on the coast? That's fairly likely I think.

Nuclear is fine. You might want to look at a map before you spout off windfarms being imposed on the North.

For onshore, I read that as the largest and greatest number being in the North. It isn't binary, but you need to get to the wash before you find anything large.

And it doesn't match this very well does it?

https://images.app.goo.gl/qu7LZggfKiVvbMve9

The cotswolds, Derbyshire and the North downs, as well as much of East anglia are pretty good - as I said as good or better than some places they have put them.

But wind turbines and wealthy thathed roofed villages don't mix. It is absurd to argue otherwise.

That image looks to match the major concentrations of turbines pretty well. There are more in the North of the UK because it is windier there.

I don't think you are paying enough attention to the size of the spots or the large regions that could but don't contribute.

People object to wind farms for the same reason they object to new roads, ugly extensions over the road, or the prospect of fracking in a local field. Telling them it's for everyone else's benefit isn't persuasive because there's no reciprocation.

Even the tories have figured that out, hence the proposal for energy rebates if you are near a wind farm. Near probably means under, but hey.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

Well what has priority? Who was there first or what is in the interest of society collectively?

Hmm, not difficult.

So why aren't there huge windfarms in the south of England? I'm confused because the wind resouce is similar to places where they try to out them up here. The only explanation is people don't like them, so they put them nearer to people they care less about.

Not a fan of them, because there are more effective technologies available.

What are your thoughts on nuclear? Would you be okay with several more power stations on the coast? That's fairly likely I think.

Nuclear is fine. You might want to look at a map before you spout off windfarms being imposed on the North.

For onshore, I read that as the largest and greatest number being in the North. It isn't binary, but you need to get to the wash before you find anything large.

And it doesn't match this very well does it?

https://images.app.goo.gl/qu7LZggfKiVvbMve9

The cotswolds, Derbyshire and the North downs, as well as much of East anglia are pretty good - as I said as good or better than some places they have put them.

But wind turbines and wealthy thathed roofed villages don't mix. It is absurd to argue otherwise.

That image looks to match the major concentrations of turbines pretty well. There are more in the North of the UK because it is windier there.

I don't think you are paying enough attention to the size of the spots or the large regions that could but don't contribute.

People object to wind farms for the same reason they object to new roads, ugly extensions over the road, or the prospect of fracking in a local field. Telling them it's for everyone else's benefit isn't persuasive because there's no reciprocation.

Even the tories have figured that out, hence the proposal for energy rebates if you are near a wind farm. Near probably means under, but hey.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

So despite subsidies being available throughout the UK, evil Londoners conspired to build them in Scotland just to annoy people?

No, because there are fewer people to annoy and/or they are further away. And also because the party they send money to basically put prohibitive planning restrictions in place in England that don't apply in Scotland. Because no one really votes for the tories up here so who cares.

Bingo. It's empty and windy up there.

No, people live here.

Let's flip it around. Someone in North Wales gets their view buggered, shadow flicker and/or noise at night.

You say, well its for the planet.

They say, hang on, why do I have to suffer more than you?

It's just perspectives.

I mean I can see an incinerator chimney and the decommissioned chimneys from a coal fired power station not to mention two lines of pylons from my house. The view over Romney Marsh on the Kent Sussex borders has a nuclear power station sat at the end of Dungeness with more pylons. I have regular aircraft noise from being between Heathrow and Gatwick. So no, I'm not going to lose sleep over a few thousand people in Scotland having a slightly less nice view. Anyway, subsidies for onshore have now ended and all the new stuff is offshore.

https://www.renewableenergyhub.co.uk/blog/uk-onshore-wind-farms-wind-speed-interactive-map/

surrey_commuter

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

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rick_chasey said:

How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.

Explain this tax lever on the global oil market

Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.

So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?

It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.

I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.

How about wind farms?

I'm half Dutch.

Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.

I think they look great

Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

There can be too much of a good thing.

I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints

Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.

I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.

Explain this tax lever on the global oil market

Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.

So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?

It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.

I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.

How about wind farms?

I'm half Dutch.

Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.

I think they look great

Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

There can be too much of a good thing.

I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints

Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.

I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me

Don't you have a wood burning stove?

pblakeney

Going to the toilet after eating asparagus.

TheBigBean

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Jezyboy said:

Stevo_666 said:

shirley_basso said:

Profits should be within reason when you are providing an essential service.

Food is pretty essential but I dont see any moves to cap the profits of Tesco etc.

I can see the point of intervention where its a monopoly or oligopoly situation, but there are quite a few suppliers in the energy market and it is regulated anyway by OFGEM.

The customer facing side doesn't really seem like a particularly good example of a well functioning free market.

Not sure what you mean, but it doesn't address my point.

The ofgem regulated market is not where the massive profits have been made.

Still doesn't address my point.

It was a silly point that can't be addressed. Tesco would be more like the energy suppliers to the public. And there is no equivalent of "food" as a single commodity being traded on a global market subject to price fluctuations in a similar way to oil.

In that alternate universe, and if Tesco also owned a "food" production business that was making enormous profits when all food prices went up by 100% across the board, I would imagine exactly the same moves to use some of that profit to help people to eat would be called for.

There is an overlap between selling energy to consumers and power generation, but I'm not sure there is much of an overlap between oil and gas production and selling to consumers.

Sure some power producers who don't use gas are doing very well as a result of the high gas prices, but they did stonkingly badly two years ago as a result of low gas prices.

Therefor, it's not clear to me who would subject to the windfall tax.

TheBigBean

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

So despite subsidies being available throughout the UK, evil Londoners conspired to build them in Scotland just to annoy people?

No, because there are fewer people to annoy and/or they are further away. And also because the party they send money to basically put prohibitive planning restrictions in place in England that don't apply in Scotland. Because no one really votes for the tories up here so who cares.

I feel like you don't know all that much about developing a site for wind turbines, but don't let that stop you.

TheBigBean

pinno

veronese68 said:

pinno said:

I noticed the French govt. set a 4% price cap.

Isn't that because we sold out to the French and are subsidising their bills.

We sometimes export electricity abroad to Ireland, Netherlands and France but only sometimes.
However, most of the time, we are a net importer but from those countries, the total import is 5.8% of our energy needs pa.
It's hard to find the percentage imported from France but it is less than 5.8% therefore, we aren't 'paying their bills.

On a slight tangent, French production of electricity produces less carbon per k/wh.

briantrumpet

pblakeney said:

Going to the toilet after eating asparagus.

I didn't eat asparagus till I was in my 30s (very sheltered upbringing), and I really wondered WTF was going on the first time. The speed of the additional odour in one's urine is quite extraordinary.

pblakeney

briantrumpet said:

pblakeney said:

Going to the toilet after eating asparagus.

I didn't eat asparagus till I was in my 30s (very sheltered upbringing), and I really wondered WTF was going on the first time. The speed of the additional odour in one's urine is quite extraordinary.

I always remember that it is something to consider when ordering.
I always forget how bad it can be.

briantrumpet

pblakeney said:

briantrumpet said:

pblakeney said:

Going to the toilet after eating asparagus.

I didn't eat asparagus till I was in my 30s (very sheltered upbringing), and I really wondered WTF was going on the first time. The speed of the additional odour in one's urine is quite extraordinary.

I always remember that it is something to consider when ordering.
I always forget how bad it can be.

The effect of asparagus on urine scent is not universal, and a number of hypotheses try to explain this phenomenon.

One hypothesis — called the production hypothesis — suggests that only some individuals are capable of producing the sulfurous compounds responsible for the smell, while others are non-producers.

This hypothesis asserts that non-producers lack a key enzyme that helps metabolize asparagusic acid and are thus unable to produce the smelly byproducts (4Trusted Source).

For example, a small study in 38 adults determined that about 8% of them either didn’t produce the smell or produced it at concentrations that were too low to be detected (4Trusted Source).

The other hypothesis — called the perception hypothesis — states that everyone produces the smell, but some are unable to detect or perceive it (4Trusted Source).

In this case, researchers found a genetic modification that alters one or more of the olfactory receptors that should respond to the asparagus smell, causing what is known as asparagus anosmia, or the inability to smell asparagus pee (8Trusted Source).

In fact, research suggests that a large percentage of people can’t smell asparagus pee.

One study in 6,909 adults noted that 58% of men and 62% of women had asparagus anosmia, suggesting that this specific genetic modification is quite common (8Trusted Source).

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/why-does-asparagus-make-your-pee-smell#varying-effects

shirley_basso

I don't think I smell it.

The other wierd thing is Coriander - some people love and others absolutely hate it. Apparently it's genetic.

briantrumpet

shirley_basso said:

I don't think I smell it.

The other wierd thing is Coriander - some people love and others absolutely hate it. Apparently it's genetic.

Ditto sprouts: I love 'em, and they taste sweet & nutty to me, but others perceive them as bitter. As some people have discovered post-covid, taste perception can be weird.

pinno

shirley_basso said:

I don't think I smell it.

The other wierd thing is Coriander - some people love and others absolutely hate it. Apparently it's genetic.

Love Coriander. The herb of the gods, yet:
Cannot drink strong tea or full bodied red wine and this, I find most perplexing:
'Ooh, how can you drink that?', when making myself a cup of essence of tea farm gate post delivery truck.
My response is that they aren't drinking it, so what's the frikkin problem?.
And that's genetic too - Tannic acid intolerance.

shirley_basso

Also love coriander

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

So despite subsidies being available throughout the UK, evil Londoners conspired to build them in Scotland just to annoy people?

No, because there are fewer people to annoy and/or they are further away. And also because the party they send money to basically put prohibitive planning restrictions in place in England that don't apply in Scotland. Because no one really votes for the tories up here so who cares.

I feel like you don't know all that much about developing a site for wind turbines, but don't let that stop you.

Not sure what you are getting at. What is it I don't know, do tell.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

So despite subsidies being available throughout the UK, evil Londoners conspired to build them in Scotland just to annoy people?

No, because there are fewer people to annoy and/or they are further away. And also because the party they send money to basically put prohibitive planning restrictions in place in England that don't apply in Scotland. Because no one really votes for the tories up here so who cares.

Bingo. It's empty and windy up there.

No, people live here.

Let's flip it around. Someone in North Wales gets their view buggered, shadow flicker and/or noise at night.

You say, well its for the planet.

They say, hang on, why do I have to suffer more than you?

It's just perspectives.

I mean I can see an incinerator chimney and the decommissioned chimneys from a coal fired power station not to mention two lines of pylons from my house. The view over Romney Marsh on the Kent Sussex borders has a nuclear power station sat at the end of Dungeness with more pylons. I have regular aircraft noise from being between Heathrow and Gatwick. So no, I'm not going to lose sleep over a few thousand people in Scotland having a slightly less nice view. Anyway, subsidies for onshore have now ended and all the new stuff is offshore.

https://www.renewableenergyhub.co.uk/blog/uk-onshore-wind-farms-wind-speed-interactive-map/

Was any of that not there when you moved in?

Fwiw I'm a fan of marine renewables. More interesting technology. Better for a densely populated island with a vast coastline and the second biggest tidal range on earth. And microgeneration. There are technologies available that could harvest energy without p1ssing off the next door neighbour. As an architect you'll know all about those.

First.Aspect

pinno said:

shirley_basso said:

I don't think I smell it.

The other wierd thing is Coriander - some people love and others absolutely hate it. Apparently it's genetic.

Love Coriander. The herb of the gods, yet:
Cannot drink strong tea or full bodied red wine and this, I find most perplexing:
'Ooh, how can you drink that?', when making myself a cup of essence of tea farm gate post delivery truck.
My response is that they aren't drinking it, so what's the frikkin problem?.
And that's genetic too - Tannic acid intolerance.

This. I guzzle white wine by the vat but red tastes like I'm drinking bark.

Sprouts = Russian nerve agent

I'm corriander neutral.

Asparawee is almost instantaneous.

Celery makes me gag.

Jerusalem fartichoke. Oh my god.

Good mate of mine can't stand citrus fruit. Think he's just odd.

pinno

First.Aspect said:

Good mate of mine can't stand citrus fruit. Think he's just odd.

I like it but can't eat it.

First.Aspect

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

Good mate of mine can't stand citrus fruit. Think he's just odd.

I like it but can't eat it.

What happens?

masjer

This asparagus pee thing is one thing, but how anyone can eat kidney is beyond me. It smells of stale P1ss before you eat it.
Tripe is another thing that I couldn't stomach, being a stomach.

First.Aspect

masjer said:

This asparagus pee thing is one thing, but how anyone can eat kidney is beyond me. It smells of stale P1ss before you eat it.
Tripe is another thing that I couldn't stomach, being a stomach.

Thats just common sense, not genetic.

Unless common sense is genetic.

pinno

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

Good mate of mine can't stand citrus fruit. Think he's just odd.

I like it but can't eat it.

What happens?

I would be writhing on the floor in pain and reaching for Gavascon.

pinno

masjer said:

This asparagus pee thing is one thing, but how anyone can eat kidney is beyond me. It smells of stale P1ss before you eat it.
Tripe is another thing that I couldn't stomach, being a stomach.

Agree.

I do like Asparagus but never noticed any whiffs.