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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,809
    edited April 2022
    I think the original concept was to have 3 turbines on the one pad in a triangular pattern. Coated steel would have a long service life and possibly coated with an antifouling to stop marine growth. As you've pointed out, when something goes wrong, then the costs mount. Sealing the turbine must be a challenge.
    They were going to do a large project (tidal barrage) in Swansea, but that never got started.
    One of the first (kind of successful projects) must be the French barrage across the Rance, but that only generates 0.12% of the energy needs in France.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rance_Tidal_Power_Station
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,509
    masjer said:

    I think the original concept was to have 3 turbines on the one pad in a triangular pattern. Coat steel would have a long service life and possibly coated with an antifouling to stop marine growth. As you've pointed out, when something goes wrong, then the costs mount. Sealing the turbine must be a challenge.
    They were going to do a large project (tidal barrage) in Swansea, but that never got started.
    One of the first (kind of successful projects) must be the French barrage across the Rance, but that only generates 0.12% of Energy needs in France.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rance_Tidal_Power_Station

    Not a fan of barrages. Think it is a dead end cost wise anyway.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,809
    First.Aspect said:

    masjer said:

    I think the original concept was to have 3 turbines on the one pad in a triangular pattern. Coat steel would have a long service life and possibly coated with an antifouling to stop marine growth. As you've pointed out, when something goes wrong, then the costs mount. Sealing the turbine must be a challenge.
    They were going to do a large project (tidal barrage) in Swansea, but that never got started.
    One of the first (kind of successful projects) must be the French barrage across the Rance, but that only generates 0.12% of Energy needs in France.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rance_Tidal_Power_Station

    Not a fan of barrages. Think it is a dead end cost wise anyway.
    I think you're right, but the one big advantage is the guaranteed power from tides.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,900
    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,983
    edited April 2022
    masjer said:

    They were going to do a large project (tidal barrage) in Swansea, but that never got started.


    That was simply a massive scam to try and milk the public purse. As covered by Private Eye.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Wales/comments/8lfetm/the_rocky_shorrock_show_swansea_tidal_lagoon/

    https://www.theengineer.co.uk/government-swansea-bay-tidal-lagoon/

    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    The locals might act like they are, but its still suburbia.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,929
    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Oh, I'm so sorry. 😏

    (flashbacks)
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,809
    edited April 2022
    Battery storage systems for renewables are probably the next important development. Capturing the excess in the good times (high wind or sun) then releasing it in a steady supply, rather than peaks and troughs.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,929
    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    The locals might act like they are, but its still suburbia.
    Yes definitely suburbia. A couple of larger properties with a pony in a paddock don't count.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    The locals might act like they are, but its still suburbia.
    Yes definitely suburbia. A couple of larger properties with a pony in a paddock don't count.
    True, and I've not seen anyone there strumming a banjo sitting outside their house.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,633
    To my mind if there's not a stretch of countryside or farmland between towns where the national road speed limit is applied then you are in suburbia. Golf courses and horsey areas don't count.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    pblakeney said:

    To my mind if there's not a stretch of countryside or farmland between towns where the national road speed limit is applied then you are in suburbia. Golf courses and horsey areas don't count.

    There must no countryside between Pocklington and York on the A1079 given it’s 50 mph speed limit.
    You need to get out of town a bit more. ;)
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,692
    From my walk today - wind and solar in southern Britain, this will blow FA's mind! :wink:


  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,900
    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    The locals might act like they are, but its still suburbia.
    You're way out in the boondocks now aren't you 😝
    Kinesis Pro6
    Marin Nail Trail
    Cotic Solaris
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    veronese68 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    The locals might act like they are, but its still suburbia.
    You're way out in the boondocks now aren't you 😝
    Cheeky sod, I'll come round and smack you with my banjo.

    Village loife ain't too bad :smile:
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

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    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    That is a good day out
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    I moved from Surbiton and the difference is amazing. It is about 7 miles and twenty years apart
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    The locals might act like they are, but its still suburbia.
    Yes definitely suburbia. A couple of larger properties with a pony in a paddock don't count.
    Can I check Ashtead?

    If that is sticks then we may be able to draw a line on a map where suburbia ends and the sticks starts
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    Some say the M25 is the boundary line.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,639
    ...and some say Gretna.
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,670
    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    The locals might act like they are, but its still suburbia.
    Yes definitely suburbia. A couple of larger properties with a pony in a paddock don't count.
    Can I check Ashtead?

    If that is sticks then we may be able to draw a line on a map where suburbia ends and the sticks starts
    Going out from Kingston the sticks start at Cobham I reckon, so Ashtead probably lines up with that.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,509
    Pross said:

    From my walk today - wind and solar in southern Britain, this will blow FA's mind! :wink:


    Solar is interesting. There has to be a way to bring the cost down.

    That windmill is the height of the south downs too short. What you need to do is place 20 500ft tall white machines sympathetically on a hill the same height so its only visible within a 75 mile radius.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,509
    masjer said:

    Battery storage systems for renewables are probably the next important development. Capturing the excess in the good times (high wind or sun) then releasing it in a steady supply, rather than peaks and troughs.

    There is some talk of using duff car batteries. Most likely energy will be stored as hydrogen, and grid demand peaks will be filled with fuel cell generation.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    edited April 2022
    briantrumpet said:

    masjer said:

    They were going to do a large project (tidal barrage) in Swansea, but that never got started.


    That was simply a massive scam to try and milk the public purse. As covered by Private Eye.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Wales/comments/8lfetm/the_rocky_shorrock_show_swansea_tidal_lagoon/

    https://www.theengineer.co.uk/government-swansea-bay-tidal-lagoon/

    The articles don't support your assertion that it was a massive scam.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,692
    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    From my walk today - wind and solar in southern Britain, this will blow FA's mind! :wink:


    Solar is interesting. There has to be a way to bring the cost down.

    That windmill is the height of the south downs too short. What you need to do is place 20 500ft tall white machines sympathetically on a hill the same height so its only visible within a 75 mile radius.
    The windmill was tongue in cheek. We've got our fair share of large windfarms on top of pretty much all the ridges along the South Wales valleys. Take a trip on the M4 west from Newport and you'll see them proudly on top of the hills. A lot of those hills have large solar farms on the south facing slopes too (and will hopefully have more than our fair share of tidal in time).

    The solar farms are more intrusive in my opinion. I regularly walk on the hills by these windfarms (the access roads make for great gravel riding too if that's your thing). I find the sound of them hypnotic, much better that electricity sub-stations that really set my teeth on edge.

    Ultimately the people putting these up are looking for the best return on their investment so it's hardly a surprise where they are located. Scotland also has most of the hydro as it is wet and hilly.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,509
    pangolin said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    veronese68 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints
    Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.
    I am sure it is but living in the sticks is not for me
    Don't you have a wood burning stove?
    The presence of a wood burning stove (I have two) does not mean it is the sticks.

    I live in Epsom which to me is borderline sticks.

    I work with somebody who sees Canary Wharf as the sticks and would not dream of going somewhere like Clapham. She went to Putney, once.
    Understandable.

    I went your way recently. Hobbledown.

    Epsom is definitely in the sticks.
    The locals might act like they are, but its still suburbia.
    Yes definitely suburbia. A couple of larger properties with a pony in a paddock don't count.
    Can I check Ashtead?

    If that is sticks then we may be able to draw a line on a map where suburbia ends and the sticks starts
    Going out from Kingston the sticks start at Cobham I reckon, so Ashtead probably lines up with that.
    Anywhere within an hour by train is suburbia, most certainly including Ashtead, Leatherhead and Dorking. Think you will struggle to find any sticks south of London and northish you need to get past Oxford I reckon.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    First.Aspect said:


    Solar is interesting. There has to be a way to bring the cost down.

    Are you aware of the not insignificant drop in the price of panels over the last 10 years?

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    pinno said:

    ...and some say Gretna.

    You're beyond banjo country there and into webbed fingers and toes territory.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    edited April 2022
    Pross said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    From my walk today - wind and solar in southern Britain, this will blow FA's mind! :wink:


    Solar is interesting. There has to be a way to bring the cost down.

    That windmill is the height of the south downs too short. What you need to do is place 20 500ft tall white machines sympathetically on a hill the same height so its only visible within a 75 mile radius.
    The windmill was tongue in cheek. We've got our fair share of large windfarms on top of pretty much all the ridges along the South Wales valleys. Take a trip on the M4 west from Newport and you'll see them proudly on top of the hills. A lot of those hills have large solar farms on the south facing slopes too (and will hopefully have more than our fair share of tidal in time).

    The solar farms are more intrusive in my opinion. I regularly walk on the hills by these windfarms (the access roads make for great gravel riding too if that's your thing). I find the sound of them hypnotic, much better that electricity sub-stations that really set my teeth on edge.

    Ultimately the people putting these up are looking for the best return on their investment so it's hardly a surprise where they are located. Scotland also has most of the hydro as it is wet and hilly.
    The wind turbines also generate more power (for the same rated capacity).

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