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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,640
    rick_chasey said:

    Are oil companies not allowed to make profit?

    Or only when prices are low? Because that really doesn't make sense.

    I find the "oil companies making a fortune off high energy prices" argument really annoying.

    It should not be at the expense of people.
    The tax people would argue that they are not doing anything illicit.
    The tax people would also argue that these energy companies will be taxed on their profits.

    However, the economist would say that it is to the detriment of our society that there is less surplus cash for individuals and households to save and spend.
    They would also argue that the cost of manufacturing and production is prohibitive, from food to goods.

    The sociologists would argue about the detriment to standards of living and all the knock on effects.

    The people working in overwhelmed food banks would say this rise in the cost of living is unsustainable.

    Personally, giant corporations need to do more for the collective good. And in the case of energy supply, corporations need to accept some responsibility of social impact.
    Milton Freidman trickle down effect does not work without legislation. After all, none of these companies are going to voluntarily put aside x% to alleviate the economic squeeze.

    From a global perspective, energy producers have the power to cripple economies.

    Pick an argumentative pov.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited April 2022
    It's a pretty efficient market. There is only really one cartel, OPEC, and even they don't have the sway they used to anymore.

    Oil companies aren't really colluding to hike the price.

    This is a combination of a short term supply shock (because of Russia), and medium-to-long-term reduction in exploration because of previously lower prices, as well as less investment in oil exploration because of climate change ambitions.

    They dig it out the ground and sell it at whatever market price is. It's only OPEC who try to manipulate the price but they're not really able to nowadays. The 70s it is not.

    Am I a bogeyman because I am charging bigger fees to the firms who run your pension funds because there is a shortage of talent?

    Come off it.

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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,900
    pinno said:


    I noticed the French govt. set a 4% price cap.

    Isn't that because we sold out to the French and are subsidising their bills.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited April 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited April 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited April 2022
    Other things that annoy me, when people refuse to understand why people are interested in things like the Smith-Rock slap, as if in so doing they are better people because they're focused on the "real" issues.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited April 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,929
    edited April 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    Utterly pointless in Cambridgeshire. North Sea is probably the optimum of decent wind and accessibility from manufacturing sites.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    Ever stood next to a 150m tall one? Or tried to sleep with a regular pulsing noise in your head.

    They are unpopular for a reason.

    Solar on the other hand could very viable in the SE these days. The home counties have to start to do their bit somehow, though.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    There are more turbines per unit area in both Denmark and Scotland, I believe. The highest density in the world is southern Scotland. I think.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,929
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    Ever stood next to a 150m tall one? Or tried to sleep with a regular pulsing noise in your head.

    They are unpopular for a reason.

    Solar on the other hand could very viable in the SE these days. The home counties have to start to do their bit somehow, though.
    There are already plenty along the M4.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    Ever stood next to a 150m tall one? Or tried to sleep with a regular pulsing noise in your head.

    They are unpopular for a reason.

    Solar on the other hand could very viable in the SE these days. The home counties have to start to do their bit somehow, though.
    Do country folk find things a bit noisy? Diddums.

    Better than extinction.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,929
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    There are more turbines per unit area in both Denmark and Scotland, I believe. The highest density in the world is southern Scotland. I think.
    Denmark being stuck out into the North Sea. Cambridgeshire having most of the UK upwind of it.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    rick_chasey said:


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    I don't think anyone is blaming them for doing it.

    Just saying that maybe they should involuntarily share some of their current unexpected good fortune.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    kingstongraham said:

    rick_chasey said:


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    I don't think anyone is blaming them for doing it.

    Just saying that maybe they should involuntarily share some of their current unexpected good fortune.
    So if oil prices are low they should....get some money in return?

    Had oil prices not been so low for a while there'd have been more incentive to go out and explore more oil reserves.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    Ever stood next to a 150m tall one? Or tried to sleep with a regular pulsing noise in your head.

    They are unpopular for a reason.

    Solar on the other hand could very viable in the SE these days. The home counties have to start to do their bit somehow, though.
    There are already plenty along the M4.
    Define plenty. Driven up the M74 lately?

    Down there, you have no idea, you really don't. A better analogy would be a wind farm on the ridgeway. That's what they've done on the southern upland way. Hey ho.

    Just saying some areas need to front up, because us "nimbys" already have.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,929
    kingstongraham said:

    rick_chasey said:


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    I don't think anyone is blaming them for doing it.

    Just saying that maybe they should involuntarily share some of their current unexpected good fortune.
    They will be. Corporation tax is going up by 6 percentage points from 1/4/23.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    edited April 2022
    shirley_basso said:

    Profits should be within reason when you are providing an essential service.

    Food is pretty essential but I dont see any moves to cap the profits of Tesco etc.

    I can see the point of intervention where its a monopoly or oligopoly situation, but there are quite a few suppliers in the energy market and it is regulated anyway by OFGEM.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

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    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    rick_chasey said:

    It's a pretty efficient market. There is only really one cartel, OPEC, and even they don't have the sway they used to anymore.

    Oil companies aren't really colluding to hike the price.

    This is a combination of a short term supply shock (because of Russia), and medium-to-long-term reduction in exploration because of previously lower prices, as well as less investment in oil exploration because of climate change ambitions.

    They dig it out the ground and sell it at whatever market price is. It's only OPEC who try to manipulate the price but they're not really able to nowadays. The 70s it is not.

    Am I a bogeyman because I am charging bigger fees to the firms who run your pension funds because there is a shortage of talent?

    Come off it.

    For a change I'm with you on this one Rick.

    Some people don't seem to understand the laws of supply and demand and its impact on prices.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Yikes me and Stevo are agreeing, must be April 1st.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

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    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

    The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

    But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.
    Explain this tax lever on the global oil market
    Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.
    So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?
    It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

    But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

    Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.
    I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

    Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


    Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

    The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.
    How about wind farms?
    I'm half Dutch.

    Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

    I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

    At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.
    I think they look great
    Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

    There can be too much of a good thing.
    As opposed to badly maintained victorian terrace houses to the front and the back of them from the back?

    Bad luck if you've chosen to live in an ideal spot for windmills, eh? Should have thought of that before you moved.

    It's a bit like me complaining the students coming home are too noisy and wake me up.

    I live in the centre of Cambridge - of course students are going to wake me up.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,510
    It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

    Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

    Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the crap they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

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