Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

rick_chasey

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

Well what has priority? Who was there first or what is in the interest of society collectively?

Hmm, not difficult.

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

Well what has priority? Who was there first or what is in the interest of society collectively?

Hmm, not difficult.

So why aren't there huge windfarms in the south of England? I'm confused because the wind resouce is similar to places where they try to out them up here. The only explanation is people don't like them, so they put them nearer to people they care less about.

Not a fan of them, because there are more effective technologies available.

What are your thoughts on nuclear? Would you be okay with several more power stations on the coast? That's fairly likely I think.

kingstongraham

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

I don't think anyone is blaming them for doing it.

Just saying that maybe they should involuntarily share some of their current unexpected good fortune.

So if oil prices are low they should....get some money in return?

Had oil prices not been so low for a while there'd have been more incentive to go out and explore more oil reserves.

Are you arguing against taxing profits?

If they start making losses, they effectively do get money back.

rick_chasey

Yes, pro-nuclear. Think it's a sensible addition to the power-grid to provide a base level of energy which renewables can add to.

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

Yes, pro-nuclear. Think it's a sensible addition to the power-grid to provide a base level of energy which renewables can add to.

Think we will see H2 production and storage ramp up as well. To store renewable energy.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

This is such bollox. Wind farms need to be where it is windy. If offshore they need to be out of busy shipping areas and where cables can reliably be brought ashore. That is not Kent or Surrey or Hertfordshire. We do have a selection of nuclear power stations down here.

Jezyboy

Stevo_666 said:

shirley_basso said:

Profits should be within reason when you are providing an essential service.

Food is pretty essential but I dont see any moves to cap the profits of Tesco etc.

I can see the point of intervention where its a monopoly or oligopoly situation, but there are quite a few suppliers in the energy market and it is regulated anyway by OFGEM.

The customer facing side doesn't really seem like a particularly good example of a well functioning free market.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

Well what has priority? Who was there first or what is in the interest of society collectively?

Hmm, not difficult.

So why aren't there huge windfarms in the south of England? I'm confused because the wind resouce is similar to places where they try to out them up here. The only explanation is people don't like them, so they put them nearer to people they care less about.

Not a fan of them, because there are more effective technologies available.

What are your thoughts on nuclear? Would you be okay with several more power stations on the coast? That's fairly likely I think.

Nuclear is fine. You might want to look at a map before you spout off windfarms being imposed on the North.

Stevo_666

Jezyboy said:

Stevo_666 said:

shirley_basso said:

Profits should be within reason when you are providing an essential service.

Food is pretty essential but I dont see any moves to cap the profits of Tesco etc.

I can see the point of intervention where its a monopoly or oligopoly situation, but there are quite a few suppliers in the energy market and it is regulated anyway by OFGEM.

The customer facing side doesn't really seem like a particularly good example of a well functioning free market.

Not sure what you mean, but it doesn't address my point.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

Well what has priority? Who was there first or what is in the interest of society collectively?

Hmm, not difficult.

So why aren't there huge windfarms in the south of England? I'm confused because the wind resouce is similar to places where they try to out them up here. The only explanation is people don't like them, so they put them nearer to people they care less about.

Not a fan of them, because there are more effective technologies available.

What are your thoughts on nuclear? Would you be okay with several more power stations on the coast? That's fairly likely I think.

Nuclear is fine. You might want to look at a map before you spout off windfarms being imposed on the North.

For onshore, I read that as the largest and greatest number being in the North. It isn't binary, but you need to get to the wash before you find anything large.

And it doesn't match this very well does it?

https://images.app.goo.gl/qu7LZggfKiVvbMve9

The cotswolds, Derbyshire and the North downs, as well as much of East anglia are pretty good - as I said as good or better than some places they have put them.

But wind turbines and wealthy thathed roofed villages don't mix. It is absurd to argue otherwise.

surrey_commuter

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.

Explain this tax lever on the global oil market

Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.

So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?

It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.

I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.

How about wind farms?

I'm half Dutch.

Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.

I think they look great

Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

There can be too much of a good thing.

I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

Jezyboy said:

Stevo_666 said:

shirley_basso said:

Profits should be within reason when you are providing an essential service.

Food is pretty essential but I dont see any moves to cap the profits of Tesco etc.

I can see the point of intervention where its a monopoly or oligopoly situation, but there are quite a few suppliers in the energy market and it is regulated anyway by OFGEM.

The customer facing side doesn't really seem like a particularly good example of a well functioning free market.

Not sure what you mean, but it doesn't address my point.

The ofgem regulated market is not where the massive profits have been made.

First.Aspect

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.

Explain this tax lever on the global oil market

Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.

So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?

It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.

I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.

How about wind farms?

I'm half Dutch.

Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.

I think they look great

Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

There can be too much of a good thing.

I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints

Carluke is a quite nice commuter town.

Tashman

Definitely more windmills appearing around the south downs in recent years and the huge windfarm off the Sussex coast suggests it's something that's being invested in "down South" too. 1 of the biggest issues in the south east is population density though. The reality is because of the weird London centric way this country has developed that there's just more space across the rest of the country.

Jezyboy

I'd be wary of complaining about industrial investment in the poorer parts of this country tbh.

TheBigBean

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

pinno

rick_chasey said:

Do country folk find things a bit noisy? Diddums.

Better than extinction.

No and I live in SW Scotland.

...and

The 6th extinction is inevitable.

pinno

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

It would be like me complaining about bad Internet or lack of street lighting.

Or you complaining because they opened a university next door after you moved.

Doesn't really affect me tbh, I just think the southern English have palmed all the censored they don't want to put up with on northerners and Scotland for far too long.

This is such bollox. Wind farms need to be where it is windy. If offshore they need to be out of busy shipping areas and where cables can reliably be brought ashore. That is not Kent or Surrey or Hertfordshire. We do have a selection of nuclear power stations down here.

I don't mind.
When we go indie, we'll sell the electrickery to Engerland.

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

First.Aspect

Jezyboy said:

I'd be wary of complaining about industrial investment in the poorer parts of this country tbh.

Poorer. Nice.

They don't create local jobs. There's a sort of migrant army that installs them, and they are mostly built abroad.

First.Aspect

Tashman said:

Definitely more windmills appearing around the south downs in recent years and the huge windfarm off the Sussex coast suggests it's something that's being invested in "down South" too. 1 of the biggest issues in the south east is population density though. The reality is because of the weird London centric way this country has developed that there's just more space across the rest of the country.

Regarding population density, isn't the term "diddums" applicable?

First.Aspect

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:

Do country folk find things a bit noisy? Diddums.

Better than extinction.

No and I live in SW Scotland.

...and

The 6th extinction is inevitable.

And bits of D&G illustrate my point. Large parts of it aren't especially windy, but you wouldn't know by driving through it.

TheBigBean

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

TheBigBean

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

So despite subsidies being available throughout the UK, evil Londoners conspired to build them in Scotland just to annoy people?

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

First.Aspect said:

TheBigBean said:

Was it a mass conspiracy between wind farm developers to inflict their wares on the good people of Scotland?

No, London based landowners after subsidies, regardless of actual generating capacity.

The subsidies that were available throughout the UK?

Yes, like the wind farms aren't.

So despite subsidies being available throughout the UK, evil Londoners conspired to build them in Scotland just to annoy people?

No, because there are fewer people to annoy and/or they are further away. And also because the party they send money to basically put prohibitive planning restrictions in place in England that don't apply in Scotland. Because no one really votes for the tories up here so who cares.

veronese68

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:

Do country folk find things a bit noisy? Diddums.

Better than extinction.

No and I live in SW Scotland.

...and

The 6th extinction is inevitable.

And bits of D&G illustrate my point. Large parts of it aren't especially windy, but you wouldn't know by driving through it.

What do Dolce & Gabbana have to do with anything?
Are they the London based landowners? Milan based i'd have thought.

Tashman

First.Aspect said:

Tashman said:

Definitely more windmills appearing around the south downs in recent years and the huge windfarm off the Sussex coast suggests it's something that's being invested in "down South" too. 1 of the biggest issues in the south east is population density though. The reality is because of the weird London centric way this country has developed that there's just more space across the rest of the country.

Regarding population density, isn't the term "diddums" applicable?

not after any sympathy, just giving you an explanation. It is what it is.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

First.Aspect said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

How on earth do you propose regulating the oil market?

The government has a pretty big tax lever they can pull.

But the only long term option is to cover Cambridgeshire with wind farms and solar farms.

Explain this tax lever on the global oil market

Sorry - meant prices that reach consumers.

So you want the government to subsidise the oil industry? I thought they were the bad guys?

It wouldn't be a subsidy, just less additional tax than levied on other products. As a means to smooth the cost of living crisis.

But of course it isn't green and the govt needs the income, so isn't going to happen.

Covering Cambridgeshire with renewables might, though.

I'd be the first person supporting Cambridgeshire being turned into a massive solar farm. Go for it.

Hell, I'll even quit my job and set up a recruitment job to hire all the people to go build it and run it.


Blaming oil companies for drilling stuff we all currently need out of the ground and selling it at market rate is stupid.

The "cost of living crisis" is not at the door of the oil companies. It's at the door of multiple decades of unequal policies that have allowed millions of people to live in relatively or absolutely poor circumstances, such they are not wealthy enough to survive price shocks.

How about wind farms?

I'm half Dutch.

Windmills are sort of built into my idea of a good country. Go for it. Hell, stick one in my garden if it's efficient enough.

I am not a NIMBY and I think "nature" views are overated.

At least they will be something to see on the horizon. I quite like windmills.

I think they look great

Would you think that if you could see several hundred of them, in all 360 degrees around you? In that case I recommend you move to Carluke.

There can be too much of a good thing.

I think if I lived in the countryside that would be low on my list of complaints

lol.

The locals high up on that list?

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

Jezyboy said:

Stevo_666 said:

shirley_basso said:

Profits should be within reason when you are providing an essential service.

Food is pretty essential but I dont see any moves to cap the profits of Tesco etc.

I can see the point of intervention where its a monopoly or oligopoly situation, but there are quite a few suppliers in the energy market and it is regulated anyway by OFGEM.

The customer facing side doesn't really seem like a particularly good example of a well functioning free market.

Not sure what you mean, but it doesn't address my point.

The ofgem regulated market is not where the massive profits have been made.

Still doesn't address my point.