Drugs in other sports and the media.
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I really struggle to understand why she's appealing against the ban?
It was on the banned list, you took it - what gives? Even if it was for medicinal reasons she's bang to rights for not having been up to date with the list.0 -
Turfle wrote:It's the last line that has me confused. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but to me it says they concede she wouldn't deliberately take a prohibited substance because well it would be madness to deliberately take a prohibited substance. It renders obsolete the whole idea of drug testing.
I think they are saying if she knew it was banned she would have been aware that she would almost certainly be tested and it was a substance they were actively looking for so would almost certainly show up in the test and therefore it supports her argument that she was unaware it had been added to the list. It's a bit like if the drink drive limit was changed to zero, you know you'll be stopped and breathalysed but carry on with the previous alcohol limit in your blood. The easiest conclusion would be you weren't aware the limit had changed (the alternative is you're totally stupid but I can't see anyone putting that in a report).
I can understand that conclusion but I'm confused how a sportsperson with a whole collection of people around her missed something so critical when many of them would have known she was taking it, I'd be sacking some of them if I were her.0 -
She also seems to have hidden the fact she was taking it from various people. How she claims the banned list was checked seemed very bizare.
I did find it strange that the ITF didn't challenge her medical claims for why she was taking this.
She only took it on match days or on days when she trained hard, so it seems clear it did give her some sort of performance enhancement. It's never been declared on any of her medical \ anti doping forms either.0 -
According to this BBC article she was at 1 stage on 30 different medications, 30 FFS! can't believe those were all for genuine medical reasons. :roll:
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Dinyull wrote:I really struggle to understand why she's appealing against the ban?
It was on the banned list, you took it - what gives? Even if it was for medicinal reasons she's bang to rights for not having been up to date with the list.
well what has she got to lose from it,they cant extend the ban can they from appealing?, and shes got multi million dollar loads of sponsorship deals tied up with playing tennis on the WTA tour so has every reason to try and continue that as soon as possible. as theres a widely held view in pro tennis at least that says if you are out of the pro game for x amount of months or even years, it will take that same length of time when you return to get back to the match level you had.0 -
awavey wrote:
well what has she got to lose from it,they cant extend the ban can they from appealing?,
Unless they already have her the maximum ban available, then I think they can.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
She's a cheat it's obvious to some but vehemently denied by others.
They will never believe and some that do think she should be let off cos the system I against her. Without tits a cunt and blond hair no one would care0 -
Do Nike sell a lot in Russia?0
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The Eastern Europeans seem to love a tracksuit.KingstonGraham wrote:Do Nike sell a lot in Russia?
Besides Sharapova is basically an American these days.Twitter: @RichN950 -
She's probably thinking that it's unfair how she has been singled out when most of her competitors and those in the men's game are all juiced up.
Is Nadal conveniently hiding another ban through an 'injury'?0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:Do Nike sell a lot in Russia?
There was a HUGE addidas shop in Tyumen when I was there so I suspect so yes. For their father's sins, young Russians do seem to be very in to health and fitness.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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NoDorset Boy wrote:Is Nadal conveniently hiding another ban through an 'injury'?Twitter: @RichN950 -
Dorset Boy wrote:Is Nadal conveniently hiding another ban through an 'injury'?
A ban for such a high profile player wouldn't exactly go under the radar would it?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
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You would've thought it'd be case closed really for a decade or something.
But I'm sure the powers that be will do the wrong thing on Friday. Coe, Reedie, Bach...what could possibly go wrong.0 -
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Shoddy reporting by the BBC. Didn't bother reporting the fact that it was UKAD who had been brought in to (try to) do the testing as RUSADA have been disqualified for now from any dope controls work0 -
Though what's been described as the wee wee in the woo woo incident, is mildly amusing. As is the incident of the athlete who scarpered mid-race
They really are a shocking lot0 -
I was quite impressed by the hiding in off-limits military bases tactic.
"Can we come in and test please?"
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Joelsim wrote:
Is is worth a read because it isn't full of the usual subjectivism and rhetoric of 'dirty' and 'cheats.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Pinno wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:Is Nadal conveniently hiding another ban through an 'injury'?
A ban for such a high profile player wouldn't exactly go under the radar would it?
Marin Cillic is oft cited as a hidden ban....
Nadal was 'injured' for a year or so....0 -
Dorset Boy wrote:Pinno wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:Is Nadal conveniently hiding another ban through an 'injury'?
A ban for such a high profile player wouldn't exactly go under the radar would it?
Marin Cillic is oft cited as a hidden ban....
Nadal was 'injured' for a year or so....
You cannot say that Nadal lacks drive. Therefore and with loosing his ranking in mind, there would be no logical reason why he would spend a year going rusty out of competition just to spend it 'juicing up' or drying out as the case may be.
I am not disregarding the possibility of him taking drugs but I am arguing that a year out because of injury is not conducive to maintaining a high standard.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Pinno wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:Pinno wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:Is Nadal conveniently hiding another ban through an 'injury'?
A ban for such a high profile player wouldn't exactly go under the radar would it?
Marin Cillic is oft cited as a hidden ban....
Nadal was 'injured' for a year or so....
You cannot say that Nadal lacks drive. Therefore and with loosing his ranking in mind, there would be no logical reason why he would spend a year going rusty out of competition just to spend it 'juicing up' or drying out as the case may be.
I am not disregarding the possibility of him taking drugs but I am arguing that a year out because of injury is not conducive to maintaining a high standard.
I think the inferance is that both were actually banned but that they ban was kept under wraps and not announced publically0 -
Cilic's ban was announced once the hearing had concluded. It just hadn't leaked into the public domain prior to that. Nothing hidden about it.Dorset Boy wrote:Pinno wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:Is Nadal conveniently hiding another ban through an 'injury'?
A ban for such a high profile player wouldn't exactly go under the radar would it?
Marin Cillic is oft cited as a hidden ban....
Nadal was 'injured' for a year or so....
It's just that in cycling you're so used to leaked positives you get suspicious when due process is actually adhered to.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Don't follow tennis but a year off for an injury doesn't seem like anything way out of the ordinary. A world class athlete must do whatever it takes to completely heal. Could this be about dope and not injury? Sure.Pinno wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:Pinno wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:Is Nadal conveniently hiding another ban through an 'injury'?
A ban for such a high profile player wouldn't exactly go under the radar would it?
Marin Cillic is oft cited as a hidden ban....
Nadal was 'injured' for a year or so....
You cannot say that Nadal lacks drive. Therefore and with loosing his ranking in mind, there would be no logical reason why he would spend a year going rusty out of competition just to spend it 'juicing up' or drying out as the case may be.
I am not disregarding the possibility of him taking drugs but I am arguing that a year out because of injury is not conducive to maintaining a high standard.0 -
Sharapova goes 'over the line' for a 3 months period and it's global news. Nadal getting a ban and it's not announced publicly?! Fark me, that's far fetched.
As I said, I never said that it wasn't too inconceivable for Nadal to be taking PED's but in the absence of any evidence, are we condemning him on pure speculation? That's what get's my goat up with all the 'he's a cheat and she;s a cheat and they are cheats' bollox that flies around the holier than thou general public and on forums and without even a whiff of evidence.
Froome is a case in point but oh no, hang on, he's clean, he published his training records (and yes, I do think he s clean). Yet Nadal (because he is Spanish?!) is more likely to have been taking drugs than nursing an injury and gets an anonymous ban despite no evidence to the confirm that. Nadal has been dogged with injury for years. It has been a regular pattern.
Double standards I say.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
About five years ago I was talking to a physio who works with lots of pro teams and he was saying how part of his job was prevention of injury by correcting biomechanical flaws. He pointed to Federer and Nadal as an example. He said Federer could possibly play until he was 40 while Nadal would be more or less finished at 30.Pinno wrote:Nadal has been dogged with injury for years. It has been a regular pattern.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
About five years ago I was talking to a physio who works with lots of pro teams and he was saying how part of his job was prevention of injury by correcting biomechanical flaws. He pointed to Federer and Nadal as an example. He said Federer could possibly play until he was 40 while Nadal would be more or less finished at 30.Pinno wrote:Nadal has been dogged with injury for years. It has been a regular pattern.
Interesting. Why didn't I collapse in a heap when I was 27*?
I wasn't arguing with you Rich BTW.
*Humour - for those who may confuse it for something else.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
