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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    You're right about The Asylum (clinic) though. I popped in there today, just out of morbid curiosity. Did you know Poels rode LBL faster than dirty doper Di Luca did in '07? Damning stuff.... Despite the multitude of course changes and the fact it's entirely irrelevant anyway. Though to be fair, even the asylum laughed that one out.
    That came from Vayer. No matter that the race was 16km shorter and that there were seven men in the break as opposed to four in 2007. The speed of the break being what defines the total speed, not the winner.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    RichN95 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    You're right about The Asylum (clinic) though. I popped in there today, just out of morbid curiosity. Did you know Poels rode LBL faster than dirty doper Di Luca did in '07? Damning stuff.... Despite the multitude of course changes and the fact it's entirely irrelevant anyway. Though to be fair, even the asylum laughed that one out.
    That came from Vayer. No matter that the race was 16km shorter and that there were seven men in the break as opposed to four in 2007. The speed of the break being what defines the total speed, not the winner.

    Seriously? That benito (or whatever) is Vayer?

    I'm amazed the guy was mathematically adept enough to put up his bloody shed then.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Seriously? That benito (or whatever) is Vayer?
    No. Vayer said it on twitter, so to the morons it became the salient point of the day.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    RichN95 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Seriously? That benito (or whatever) is Vayer?
    No. Vayer said it on twitter, so to the morons it became the salient point of the day.

    Ah. Gave up following him a long time ago. What a cretin.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Seriously? That benito (or whatever) is Vayer?
    No. Vayer said it on twitter, so to the morons it became the salient point of the day.

    Ah. Gave up following him a long time ago. What a cretin.
    Of course his beloved clean Frenchmen were only 12 seconds behind.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Well, tweet now bookmarked for next time his SA buddy wants to defend his credentials.
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  • shockedsoshocked
    shockedsoshocked Posts: 4,021
    narbs wrote:
    Paul Wilson is taking the p*ss, surely?

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/a ... st-failure

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  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    I'm "big" in the Liverpool scene having started one of the biggest message boards for any club in the world many years ago. And my reading of the Sakho situation amongst the fans isn't as described above - it's a mixture of confusion, annoyance and anger at the player.

    A lot of football fans are totally ignorant when it comes to doping (a bit like Paul Wilson) and it's not a case of club loyalty but genuine "how does a fat burner enhance performance" or "what if he took it inadvertently" type of questions. They're twenty years behind the cycling community - a bit like the frequency and efficiency of dope testing in the sport.

    Amongst my slightly more clued up circle there's utter exasperation at the player over this. Will cost the club in performance on the pitch and millions off the pitch (he signed a new contract 6 months ago taking him up to the summer of 2020).
    @stagehopper
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    stagehopper wrote:

    Amongst my slightly more clued up circle there's utter exasperation at the player over this. Will cost the club in performance on the pitch and millions off the pitch (he signed a new contract 6 months ago taking him up to the summer of 2020).

    Don't they have a break or penalty clause in the contract for doping violations?

    Of course if it was team-run that would be wildly unfair, but let's assume not.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    stagehopper wrote:

    Amongst my slightly more clued up circle there's utter exasperation at the player over this. Will cost the club in performance on the pitch and millions off the pitch (he signed a new contract 6 months ago taking him up to the summer of 2020).

    Don't they have a break or penalty clause in the contract for doping violations?

    Of course if it was team-run that would be wildly unfair, but let's assume not.

    They may well have a break clause in the contract, but the players themselves are the prime assets of the club. Firing a player may well be the same as flushing £20-£30 million down the toilet. And by getting caught, a player may have wiped a similar amount off his transfer (re-sale) price.
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  • my_grandadʹs_bike
    my_grandadʹs_bike Posts: 1,300
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    stagehopper wrote:

    Amongst my slightly more clued up circle there's utter exasperation at the player over this. Will cost the club in performance on the pitch and millions off the pitch (he signed a new contract 6 months ago taking him up to the summer of 2020).

    Don't they have a break or penalty clause in the contract for doping violations?

    Of course if it was team-run that would be wildly unfair, but let's assume not.

    They may well have a break clause in the contract, but the players themselves are the prime assets of the club. Firing a player may well be the same as flushing £20-£30 million down the toilet. And by getting caught, a player may have wiped a similar amount off his transfer (re-sale) price.

    An therein lies one of the possible reasons the clubs and authorities are not so diligent at rooting out drug users in the sport
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    stagehopper wrote:

    Amongst my slightly more clued up circle there's utter exasperation at the player over this. Will cost the club in performance on the pitch and millions off the pitch (he signed a new contract 6 months ago taking him up to the summer of 2020).

    Don't they have a break or penalty clause in the contract for doping violations?

    Of course if it was team-run that would be wildly unfair, but let's assume not.

    They may well have a break clause in the contract, but the players themselves are the prime assets of the club. Firing a player may well be the same as flushing £20-£30 million down the toilet. And by getting caught, a player may have wiped a similar amount off his transfer (re-sale) price.

    Also known as the Adrian Mutu dilemma.
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  • markwb79
    markwb79 Posts: 937
    I read somewhere that he was dropped by Rogers for being over weight?

    If thats true it has to be a minimum 2 years.

    But it will only be 6 months I am sure of it.

    I do like the contrast in reporting with this vs a cycling case.
    Scott Addict 2011
    Giant TCR 2012
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    I see Nadal is saying publish all his tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/36144984

    But it's meaningless without explaining what they were looking for at the time. Passing a test that doesn't look for everything doesn't mean much.

    Plus we know he passed them all, as have plenty of other drug cheats
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    sherer wrote:
    I see Nadal is saying publish all his tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/36144984

    But it's meaningless without explaining what they were looking for at the time. Passing a test that doesn't look for everything doesn't mean much.

    Plus we know he passed them all, as have plenty of other drug cheats
    It's not meaningless. It's pertinant to this particular case. The person he is suing alleged that his injury was actually a hushed up doping ban. For that to be true there must be a failed test.
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  • my_grandadʹs_bike
    my_grandadʹs_bike Posts: 1,300
    RichN95 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    I see Nadal is saying publish all his tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/36144984

    But it's meaningless without explaining what they were looking for at the time. Passing a test that doesn't look for everything doesn't mean much.

    Plus we know he passed them all, as have plenty of other drug cheats
    It's not meaningless. It's pertinant to this particular case. The person he is suing alleged that his injury was actually a hushed up doping ban. For that to be true there must be a failed test.

    If it was being hushed up then surely it would have, in all probablity gone missing? I know if it was me I'd expect that to be part of the "deal".
  • RoadPainter
    RoadPainter Posts: 375
    sherer wrote:
    I see Nadal is saying publish all his tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/36144984

    But it's meaningless without explaining what they were looking for at the time. Passing a test that doesn't look for everything doesn't mean much.

    Plus we know he passed them all, as have plenty of other drug cheats
    I like the ITF response, kind of 'go on then, you've got access to them, just the same as us'

    In unrelated news, I think Puerto will be past statute of limitations soon.
  • Shadowrider
    Shadowrider Posts: 483
    THERE IS NO DOPING IN FOOTBALL

    Liverpool player fails test for fat burner

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36161272
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    30 days? Harsh.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Shadowrider wrote:
    THERE IS NO DOPING IN FOOTBALL

    Liverpool player fails test for fat burner

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36161272

    "Sakho's Liverpool team-mate Kolo Toure was banned for six months in 2011 while at Manchester City after testing positive for a weight-loss drug"

    Definitely not widespread either. Definitely not.
  • Shadowrider
    Shadowrider Posts: 483
    Timoid. wrote:
    30 days? Harsh.

    That's apparently UEFA's way of stopping him playing whilst they anti doping agency's do their thing.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Shadowrider wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    30 days? Harsh.

    That's apparently UEFA's way of stopping him playing whilst they anti doping agency's do their thing.

    In other sports it would be indefinite, pending sanctioning and then he would get at least a year. Even Warne got that - and he certainly wasn't using his diet pills for performance enhancement.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Timoid. wrote:
    Shadowrider wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    30 days? Harsh.

    That's apparently UEFA's way of stopping him playing whilst they anti doping agency's do their thing.

    In other sports it would be indefinite, pending sanctioning and then he would get at least a year. Even Warne got that - and he certainly wasn't using his diet pills for performance enhancement.
    I think the 30 days thing is a good thing. It encourages everyone to get on with the hearing rather have the nine month waits we have in cycling. If Sakho's lawyers need more time then the 30 days get extended.
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  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    Hearing is expected to be tomorrow. As said above it's just a provisional thing pending the hearing.

    The six-month ban was under FA's laxer rules. These were updated in 2015 to match those of UEFA's under whose jurisdiction Sakho's offence falls anyway.
    @stagehopper
  • Shadowrider
    Shadowrider Posts: 483
    he didn't request the B-sample and accepted the findings. He'll miss the Euros.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Shadowrider wrote:
    he didn't request the B-sample and accepted the findings. He'll miss the Euros.

    could be me being too cynical but I did wonder if the club have said take the rap and we will look after you.
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    sherer wrote:
    Shadowrider wrote:
    he didn't request the B-sample and accepted the findings. He'll miss the Euros.

    could be me being too cynical but I did wonder if the club have said take the rap and we will look after you.

    If you know you've taken a fat burner why delay the process and request a B sample? Admit it and please your extenuating case (if you have one) at the hearing. Plenty of evidence that those who accept findings without delay have, on occasion, received some small reduction in the ban - bit of a no brainer really.
    @stagehopper
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    sherer wrote:
    Shadowrider wrote:
    he didn't request the B-sample and accepted the findings. He'll miss the Euros.

    could be me being too cynical but I did wonder if the club have said take the rap and we will look after you.
    He'd already admitted taking it so a B sample isn't much use.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    He'll only get 6 months anyway.

    That's how football works.
  • hangeron
    hangeron Posts: 127
    Another Welsh Rugby Roider

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugb ... o-11254557

    Loads of em at the moment

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugb ... h-11254886 - so much so even the press here are starting to notice

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