Drugs in other sports and the media.

RichN95.

Pinno wrote:

I wasn't arguing with you Rich BTW.

I know. Not everything on the internet needs to be an argument.

dish_dash

Interesting read on Putin's views on the potential ban that Russian athletes face in preparation for tomorrow's announcement.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/ ... n-athletes

Key bits if you can't be bothered reading the whole thing

The wrongdoing couldn't have been confined to Russia: It appears to have been so prevalent there that it's hard to understand how the international sports bodies failed to notice it for years.

Yet attention is now firmly focused on Russia because it is doing little real damage control. To Putin, this is a personal disaster that can hardly be fixed by sending out the tired message about Western intrigues against Russia. Putin is prepared for the ban to be slapped on Russia -- but he doesn't want to use it for propaganda purposes. More likely, he will work with the international sports bodies -- particularly the International Olympic Commitee -- to allow the participation of Russian athletes who can prove they are clean.

IOC President Thomas Bach hinted at such a solution in a statement last month, saying the committee "would have to consider, whether in such 'contaminated' federations the presumption of innocence for athletes could still be applied, whether the burden of proof could be reversed. This could mean that concerned athletes would have to demonstrate that their international and independently proven test record is compliant with the rules of their International Federation and the World Anti-Doping Code, providing a level playing field with their fellow competitors."

This means the possible IAAF ban won't be final. It would fit Putin's purpose, too, if Russian athletes allowed to compete in Rio are proved to be squeaky clean. Then their possible victories won't be questioned, and Russia's tarnished glory will be restored to some extent. That would be much more important than scoring another anti-Western point with Putin's complacent domestic audience.

rick_chasey

There's s Guardian long (i.e. no one has bothered to edit it) about Seb Coe ahead of the Russoan decision for those who are interested (and have the stamina to wade through meandering prose that has a decent article buried in it somewhere )

bobmcstuff

Rick Chasey wrote:

There's s Guardian long (i.e. no one has bothered to edit it) about Seb Coe ahead of the Russoan decision for those who are interested (and have the stamina to wade through meandering prose that has a decent article buried in it somewhere )

Don't they call those "thinkpieces"?

Guardian is full of them.

pinno

Rick Chasey wrote:

There's s Guardian long (i.e. no one has bothered to edit it) about Seb Coe ahead of the Russoan decision for those who are interested (and have the stamina to wade through meandering prose that has a decent article buried in it somewhere )

At least post the link please.

Better still - you read it and quote bits for us

dish_dash

bobmcstuff wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

There's s Guardian long (i.e. no one has bothered to edit it) about Seb Coe ahead of the Russoan decision for those who are interested (and have the stamina to wade through meandering prose that has a decent article buried in it somewhere )

Don't they call those "thinkpieces"?

Guardian is full of them.

Long form man... it's all the rage... it's either that or quotes from twitter.

bobmcstuff

dish_dash wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

There's s Guardian long (i.e. no one has bothered to edit it) about Seb Coe ahead of the Russoan decision for those who are interested (and have the stamina to wade through meandering prose that has a decent article buried in it somewhere )

Don't they call those "thinkpieces"?

Guardian is full of them.

Long form man... it's all the rage... it's either that or quotes from twitter.

So either too long to be coherent or too short to contain any context

Bo Duke

BBC reports that Russia will not be allowed to compete in Rio 2016 Olympics.

Bye bye....

sherer

Bo Duke wrote:

BBC reports that Russia will not be allowed to compete in Rio 2016 Olympics.

Bye bye....

Yes that is what I head, but there is something about letting clean athletes compete. Seeing as they all got caught post competing im not sure how they will work out who is who

dinyull

BBC saying despite the ban the IOC could still allow Russia to compete in Olympics.

Mad_Malx

John Coates, president of CAS
“My guess is they’d have to establish they were regularly tested outside of Russia by an anti-doping authority and the samples were analysed outside of Russia on an regular basis.”

According the guardian

dav1d1

Simon Yates 4 month ban.

Pross

Dinyull wrote:

BBC saying despite the ban the IOC could still allow Russia to compete in Olympics.

'Clean' Russian athletes who were outside the Russian testing programme may be allowed to compete as neutral athletes. It seems a reasonable compromise although I'd insist on them all submitting to additional testing first.

sherer

The Russian's sound a bit annoyed at this. Would be nice to see them open the lid of what they know about other athletes and nations cheating

Richmond Racer 2

sherer wrote:

The Russian's sound a bit annoyed at this. Would be nice to see them open the lid of what they know about other athletes and nations cheating

Ya think?

Richmond Racer 2

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

sherer wrote:

The Russian's sound a bit annoyed at this. Would be nice to see them open the lid of what they know about other athletes and nations cheating

Ya think?

They could start owning their own problems. But they won't. Doesn't play well on the domestic front for the Kremlin, Putin & all the cronies

Richmond Racer 2

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

sherer wrote:

The Russian's sound a bit annoyed at this. Would be nice to see them open the lid of what they know about other athletes and nations cheating

delete

sherer

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

sherer wrote:

The Russian's sound a bit annoyed at this. Would be nice to see them open the lid of what they know about other athletes and nations cheating

Ya think?

was trying to get round the swear filters

Richmond Racer 2

sherer wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

sherer wrote:

The Russian's sound a bit annoyed at this. Would be nice to see them open the lid of what they know about other athletes and nations cheating

Ya think?

was trying to get round the swear filters

In which case you, sir, are a master of understatement

joelsim

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

sherer wrote:

The Russian's sound a bit annoyed at this. Would be nice to see them open the lid of what they know about other athletes and nations cheating

Ya think?

They could start owning their own problems. But they won't. Doesn't play well on the domestic front for the Kremlin, Putin & all the cronies

They're not used to dissenters, they typically get an umbrella full of Polonium-210.

Bo Duke

Dissenters? There are no dissenters in Russia.

Watch the KGB drug this poor lady for daring to protest when she lost a son in the Kursk disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFBOfIiqW0o

itboffin

Makes you wonder why they had someone standing by with the drugs to shut her up in the first place, messed up country.

pinno

"A riddle wrapped up in an enigma", WC - Nothing's changed.

Bo Duke

That is the most annoying thing... nothings changed. Not only is Russia sponsoring state cheating but China have been rapidly developing their own drug fueled sport academies to showcase what wonderful, admirable and successful society they have suddenly become. It's soul destroying.

joelsim

It gets worse as far as Russia are concerned.

Their Euro 2016 Military Thugs appear to have links to the Kremlin.

I despair.

sherer

Joelsim wrote:

It gets worse as far as Russia are concerned.

Their Euro 2016 Military Thugs appear to have links to the Kremlin.

I despair.

Where did you read that ?

I feel sorry for the ones that have been doped with no knowledge of it. That must be a bad situation to be in. Also the few clean atheltes that are out there who are denied a place on the biggest stage there is

joelsim

sherer wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

It gets worse as far as Russia are concerned.

Their Euro 2016 Military Thugs appear to have links to the Kremlin.

I despair.

Where did you read that ?

I feel sorry for the ones that have been doped with no knowledge of it. That must be a bad situation to be in. Also the few clean atheltes that are out there who are denied a place on the biggest stage there is

Here you go.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... CMP=twt_gu

Richmond Racer 2

Joelsim wrote:

sherer wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

It gets worse as far as Russia are concerned.

Their Euro 2016 Military Thugs appear to have links to the Kremlin.

I despair.

Where did you read that ?

I feel sorry for the ones that have been doped with no knowledge of it. That must be a bad situation to be in. Also the few clean atheltes that are out there who are denied a place on the biggest stage there is

Here you go.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... CMP=twt_gu

This jives with what a number of journos & political commentators have been reporting for a while now. Loss of prestige threatens a mutual power network of elites who feed at the state trough. Putin isn't a dictator (funnily enough) but he and the network of elites he has to keep happy by ensuring that state trough is always replenished, work on the message for the Russians at home that the rest of the world is working against a strong Mother Russia

joelsim

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

sherer wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

It gets worse as far as Russia are concerned.

Their Euro 2016 Military Thugs appear to have links to the Kremlin.

I despair.

Where did you read that ?

I feel sorry for the ones that have been doped with no knowledge of it. That must be a bad situation to be in. Also the few clean atheltes that are out there who are denied a place on the biggest stage there is

Here you go.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... CMP=twt_gu

This jives with what a number of journos & political commentators have been reporting for a while now. Loss of prestige threatens a mutual power network of elites who feed at the state trough. Putin isn't a dictator (funnily enough) but he and the network of elites he has to keep happy by ensuring that state trough is always replenished, work on the message for the Russians at home that the rest of the world is working against a strong Mother Russia

It's certainly not hard to imagine, given the attitude towards dissenters, gays et al.

Bo Duke

A Dutch friend has just mentioned the same to me tonight, the hooli's are possibly army units..... ;-(