Drugs in other sports and the media.
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or any sport and I'll presume the Chinese are no better0
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They make Lance look like a beginner!Trail fun - Transition Bandit
Road - Wilier Izoard Centaur/Cube Agree C62 Disc
Allround - Cotic Solaris0 -
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I heard the full press conference - total state sponsored doping across many sports, not just athletics. The FSB, state sports drug enforcement people - complete saturation. There is no pride in Russian sports. Putin's septic society.'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0
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-Russia decided to cheat following the "very abysmal" medal count of 15 at the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics
-It began making positive drug tests disappear from its anti-doping labs in late 2011
-Before the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia created a clean, frozen urine storage bank
-Russia's security service, the FSB, worked in a building next to the Sochi laboratory, swapping positive urine samples for clean negative ones through a "mouse hole", adding salt to make them weigh the same
-A key FSB agent had access to the Sochi anti-doping laboratory, disguised as a sewage and plumbing contractor
-But, in swapping urine samples, the FSB agents left miniscule tool marks on the bottles - later found by McLaren's investigation0 -
RichN95 wrote:I assume there will be some tough questions for Katusha during the rest day.
(I'm kidding of course. No-one will ask them anything. Only Sky generate clicks).
Probably right, but they are doing their best ...
Via @inrng - Katyusha manager Ekimov says WADA's McLaren report is a "politcal setup" via @JeuneGuillou :?0 -
It's all just a conspiracy theory against the Russians. They are all clean and would never dream of doping
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At least they'll have 2 representatives in Rio:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olym ... 29321.html
If they both get medals, they can turn it into a coup:
"Every Russian athlete competing at Rio gets a medal"seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
RonB wrote:RichN95 wrote:I assume there will be some tough questions for Katusha during the rest day.
(I'm kidding of course. No-one will ask them anything. Only Sky generate clicks).
Via @inrng - Katyusha manager Ekimov says WADA's McLaren report is a "politcal setup" via @JeuneGuillou :?
Same Ekimov who rode with USPS/Discovery all the way from 1999 and was World/Olympic TT champion. Anyway, since Armstrong copped a lifetime ban surely Russia should get 10 yrs out of all intl.competition with athletes who test clean perhaps under another flag or running as independent and submitting to tests run by eg UK/Germany etc0 -
interestingly the WADA report claims 20 cycling positives have been changed. Lets hope the UCI do the right thing and actually look into this0
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Interesting program on bbc2 now
Horizon: sports doping - winning at any cost?
Doctor on the program says it's a small margine that any sports person isn't using drugs at the top level0 -
Was a bit disappointed when I remembered that vino was kazak rather than Russian. Not that any results would be changed, but would have been nice to have him sweat a bit.0
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Dav1d1 wrote:Interesting program on bbc2 now
Horizon: sports doping - winning at any cost?
Doctor on the program says it's a small margine that any sports person isn't using drugs at the top level
Caught a bit of that. Most interesting bit to me was the pulse therapy in the shoulder and head that could affect the brain to numb pain. No way of policing that sort of thing and the benefit was a boost of around 20% if I remember correctly.0 -
Dinyull wrote:Dav1d1 wrote:Interesting program on bbc2 now
Horizon: sports doping - winning at any cost?
Doctor on the program says it's a small margine that any sports person isn't using drugs at the top level
Caught a bit of that. Most interesting bit to me was the pulse therapy in the shoulder and head that could affect the brain to numb pain. No way of policing that sort of thing and the benefit was a boost of around 20% if I remember correctly.
Yes, a very interesting programme. The transcranial electric thing you'd assume could already or soon be used by cyclists. 20% was the figure yes, and it's completely legal they said.
Well worth watching including the genetic side of things they showed http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07ll97c/horizon-20152016-12-sports-doping-winning-at-any-cost0 -
They didn't say how long the benefits of the transcranial thing lasted. It might be a bit short term to be of use in cycling outside time trials.mfin wrote:Dinyull wrote:Dav1d1 wrote:Interesting program on bbc2 now
Horizon: sports doping - winning at any cost?
Doctor on the program says it's a small margine that any sports person isn't using drugs at the top level
Caught a bit of that. Most interesting bit to me was the pulse therapy in the shoulder and head that could affect the brain to numb pain. No way of policing that sort of thing and the benefit was a boost of around 20% if I remember correctly.
Yes, a very interesting programme. The transcranial electric thing you'd assume could already or soon be used by cyclists. 20% was the figure yes, and it's completely legal they said.
Well worth watching including the genetic side of things they showed http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07ll97c/horizon-20152016-12-sports-doping-winning-at-any-costTwitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
They didn't say how long the benefits of the transcranial thing lasted. It might be a bit short term to be of use in cycling outside time trials.mfin wrote:Dinyull wrote:Dav1d1 wrote:Interesting program on bbc2 now
Horizon: sports doping - winning at any cost?
Doctor on the program says it's a small margine that any sports person isn't using drugs at the top level
Caught a bit of that. Most interesting bit to me was the pulse therapy in the shoulder and head that could affect the brain to numb pain. No way of policing that sort of thing and the benefit was a boost of around 20% if I remember correctly.
Yes, a very interesting programme. The transcranial electric thing you'd assume could already or soon be used by cyclists. 20% was the figure yes, and it's completely legal they said.
Well worth watching including the genetic side of things they showed http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07ll97c/horizon-20152016-12-sports-doping-winning-at-any-cost
That's exactly what I thought, I'm also surprised to not have heard of it until watching that. I'm sure the next thing will be people saying Sky have been using it the last 5 years and have had it built into their helmets.
I didn't catch the full proper name of it to look it up a little more.0 -
Funnily enough, as watching it I instantly thought it was something Sky would be all over. It was Kent Uni (I think), and I can't imagine Sky aren't constantly picking the minds of all sports science uni labs in the pursuit of marginal gains.0
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Zakarin says the Russian doping scandal doesn't really affect him because he mostly races and trains outside of Russia and therefore wasn't tested by the corrupt Russian labs.
Interesting point in the cycling podcast that his prior doping suspension is for steroids when he was 19 which could have been culture or coach related.
That's not to say he isn't doping of course. Just that the fact he is Russian and on a Russian team isn't enough to convict him.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
They didn't say how long the benefits of the transcranial thing lasted. It might be a bit short term to be of use in cycling outside time trials.mfin wrote:Dinyull wrote:Dav1d1 wrote:Interesting program on bbc2 now
Horizon: sports doping - winning at any cost?
Doctor on the program says it's a small margine that any sports person isn't using drugs at the top level
Caught a bit of that. Most interesting bit to me was the pulse therapy in the shoulder and head that could affect the brain to numb pain. No way of policing that sort of thing and the benefit was a boost of around 20% if I remember correctly.
Yes, a very interesting programme. The transcranial electric thing you'd assume could already or soon be used by cyclists. 20% was the figure yes, and it's completely legal they said.
Well worth watching including the genetic side of things they showed http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07ll97c/horizon-20152016-12-sports-doping-winning-at-any-cost
Suppose it might be of use in training in some capacity, though I'm not sure how for the reasons you say. It could be a tool to push further in training.
It reminded me of the practise of para-Olympians hurting themselves to get an adrenaline benefit, though possibly quite different physiologically.0 -
Semi interesting Horizon documentary.
[Slightly off topic]
I once had a conversation with Geoff Middleton (Lincoln University). He did a paper on the psychological effects of body building. There was 2 control groups - weightlifters and people who frequented gyms for general fitness.
He found a common streak amongst body builders. Once they got to a particular size, based on their own perception of big, there was an effect similar to a switch being activated in their heads. Once this 'switch' had been activated, amongst other symptoms, they became very egocentric. They also started to lack compassion. The self-obsession become's all consuming and everything has to revolve around them. They have relationship problems too.
Weightlifters and fitness fanatics were like a cross section of the general public. i.e When the weightlifters felt they were strong, there was no perceptible change in psychology and when the fitness brigade felt they were fit, there wasn't that 'switch'. The main benefit they found was an increase in confidence or self esteem.
We saw the Schwarzenegger mouse wasn't very quick or nimble and therefore the HGH (Human Growth Hormone) had a detrimental effect on performance. For road cycling, I can only presume that HGH would have limited use.
Anabolic steroids are reasonably easy to trace (Re.: Contador and the trace Clenbuterol).
So what did we learn? The cranial intervention wasn't really tested with a control group of cyclists. We know that the guy who wins Paris Roubaix or wins on the Galibier has probably got a natural ability (or at least he has honed the ability) to override the pain barrier. Would there have been such a margin between difference between 2 elite cyclists on say a 1 hour cycle ride? (8km presumably too short).seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
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Mad_Malx wrote:
Shock, horror and amazement! NOT!“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
Wilier Cento Uno SR/Wilier Mortirolo/Specialized Roubaix Comp/Kona Hei Hei/Calibre Bossnut0 -
Seems a little depressing in some other sports at the Olympics - one of the Russian swimmers has served two previous bans related to positive tests and is still competing.
Whereas in cycling Zakarin's out and Lizzie's getting a whole load of bile from the whereabouts thing (rightly or wrongly).0 -
JO 2016, l'énorme colère de Lacourt sur le dopage : "Sun Yang, il pisse violet"
The great anger Lacourt ( French swimmer) has concerning doping ' Sun Yang he pisses purple' !!0 -
SpecialGuestStar wrote:JO 2016, l'énorme colère de Lacourt sur le dopage : "Sun Yang, il pisse violet"
The great anger Lacourt ( French swimmer) has concerning doping ' Sun Yang he pisses purple' !!
Whilst Lacourt might well be right, to the French everyone is doping. There was a French rider bemoaning Lizzie Armitstead's presence at the Olympic RR, some of them think Froomedog is on the juice...
French sport is in the doldrums and until they start competing, everyone is doping in their eyes.
There's no imminent Mauresmo, Henin, Henry, Hinault or Cantona in sight. Just a bus load of up and comings with potential.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Pinno wrote:SpecialGuestStar wrote:JO 2016, l'énorme colère de Lacourt sur le dopage : "Sun Yang, il pisse violet"
The great anger Lacourt ( French swimmer) has concerning doping ' Sun Yang he pisses purple' !!
Whilst Lacourt might well be right, to the French everyone is doping. There was a French rider bemoaning Lizzie Armitstead's presence at the Olympic RR, some of them think Froomedog is on the juice...
French sport is in the doldrums and until they start competing, everyone is doping in their eyes.
There's no imminent Mauresmo, Henin, Henry, Hinault or Cantona in sight. Just a bus load of up and comings with potential.
The pedant in me is forced to point out that Henin is Belgian
Otherwise I agree with you.Twitter: @RichN950
