Drugs in other sports and the media.

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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    ^so let's imagine this was procycling. And the report said that 6 WT teams had no riders tested at all last year

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    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    coriordan wrote:
    Or you could ask

    "If cycling, a financial minnow would bother to dope SO extensively during the doping era, why would football not do the same, where doping controls are SO lax"

    The argument that many choose to ignore. Soccer is a far richer sport than cycling, yet riders were prepared to risk their health to maintain a fairly modest wage. Are all soccer players so ethical that they wouldn't take PEDs to maintain their status in a sport that pays millions to many very mediocre players? Soccer players will gladly dive in the penalty box to secure a penalty kick, even if the contact is minimal. They will gladly appeal to the referee to send off a player from the opposing team, regardless of his offence on the field.

    Some soccer players have proven themselves to be some of the most spineless and dishonest "sportsmen" on the planet. And yet they would never consider using PEDs? Give me a break. (And I like watching the PL).

    DD.
  • smithy21
    smithy21 Posts: 2,204
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    ^so let's imagine this was procycling. And the report said that 6 WT teams had no riders tested at all last year

    That's not the same is it. It's not saying 6/7 Premier League teams have been given a pass.

    Not sure what the fuss is. It's been reported in the same way it would be if it was cycling. In fact if it was cycling it would probably be a far smaller article.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    smithy21 wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    ^so let's imagine this was procycling. And the report said that 6 WT teams had no riders tested at all last year

    That's not the same is it. It's not saying 6/7 Premier League teams have been given a pass.

    Not sure what the fuss is. It's been reported in the same way it would be if it was cycling. In fact if it was cycling it would probably be a far smaller article.

    So what you're saying is that it's ok for only 2/3 of the Premiership players to be tested once per season and 1/3 not at all. On average.

    Hardly a deterrent. Even a footballer could work out the odds of being busted as zero.
  • smithy21
    smithy21 Posts: 2,204
    Joelsim wrote:
    smithy21 wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    ^so let's imagine this was procycling. And the report said that 6 WT teams had no riders tested at all last year

    That's not the same is it. It's not saying 6/7 Premier League teams have been given a pass.

    Not sure what the fuss is. It's been reported in the same way it would be if it was cycling. In fact if it was cycling it would probably be a far smaller article.

    So what you're saying is that it's ok for only 2/3 of the Premiership players to be tested once per season and 1/3 not at all. On average.

    Hardly a deterrent. Even a footballer could work out the odds of being busted as zero.

    Great work on the maths and the English comprehension there Joel.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    ^smithy21, if you agree with the FA that their AD programme is a shining example to all other sports, and that 1 in 3 PL players are getting away without being tested is just fine and dandy, that's your issue

    Can't be arsed with that kind of logic
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    They must be one of the least tested professional sports at the top level then?
  • smithy21
    smithy21 Posts: 2,204
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    ^smithy21, if you agree with the FA that their AD programme is a shining example to all other sports, and that 1 in 3 PL players are getting away without being tested is just fine and dandy, that's your issue

    Can't be arsed with that kind of logic

    Do you read what people write or just look to be upset/offended by it?

    I am off to have a chuckle in the disc brake thread where they look to be reinventing the wheel having used forensics to work out that a pro wasn't injured the way he said he was even though he was there and they weren't.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,728
    I said earlier in the thread that FIFA and the FA where running a minimal, anti doping programme, to make sure they kept the millions rolling in and the fans, most of whom don't want to know in any case, happy.
    I 'd like to apologise for my error.
    That's not even a minimal programme; it's a joke.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    smithy21, you should get a job in Kenya.

    As an ostrich.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,728
    Joelsim wrote:
    smithy21, you should get a job in Kenya.

    As an ostrich.

    I don't think Smithy is saying there isn't a problem in football, Joel.
    Just that he isn't bothered.
    I imagine most football fans view it in the same way.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    smithy21, you should get a job in Kenya.

    As an ostrich.

    I don't think Smithy is saying there isn't a problem in football, Joel.
    Just that he isn't bothered.
    I imagine most football fans view it in the same way.

    I've always said the best way for a sport not to have drugs problem is to not bother looking for them.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    I wonder why people seem to insist that myself and others must "care" about doping in sports? Personally I've got whole bunches of things to worry about in life other than whether people are using drugs (legal or not) in their lives. I just don't care, yet many out there think I should. In reality my whole life has sort of revolved around not doing what people tell me I should(I.e. voting, caring about politic's, etc.).
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    The time and effort you've spent on doping related forums will have something to do with it.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    edited April 2016
    dennisn wrote:
    In reality my whole life has sort of revolved around not doing what people tell me I should(I.e. using my brain, caring about spellin'g, etc.).
    FTFY
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    The time and effort you've spent on doping related forums will have something to do with it.
    Love doping forums. They really bring out the self righteous people, and they are fun.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    dennisn wrote:
    I've got whole bunches of things to worry about in life

    Bananas? Keys? Grapes?

    I can't think of a bunch of anything else.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Get out.
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Joelsim wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    I've got whole bunches of things to worry about in life

    Bananas? Keys? Grapes?

    I can't think of a bunch of anything else.
    Well, I guess I would rather concentrate on friends, family, coworkers, and myself than dopers. In truth I'm much more interested in the people who obcess about dopers than the dopers themselves. My recurring question is always "why bother".
  • skavanagh.bikeradar
    skavanagh.bikeradar Posts: 1,097
    Aaaaaaarrrggggghhhhhhhhh! This makes no sense. As usual. Dennis! Always the drugs with you.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Just that he isn't bothered.
    I imagine most football fans view it in the same way.
    Going back to this. Just the same, cycling fans are utterly obsessed with doping.

    There's a middle ground.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    RichN95 wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Just that he isn't bothered.
    I imagine most football fans view it in the same way.
    Going back to this. Just the same, cycling fans are utterly obsessed with doping.

    There's a middle ground.

    Football fans are intensely interested as soon as think they've been cheated. If you want to find football fans that are upset about doping in football then meet some Arsenal fans (I'm one).

    2006 CL final....
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Football fans are intensely interested as soon as think they've been cheated. If you want to find football fans that are upset about doping in football then meet some Arsenal fans (I'm one).
    And yet you got done over by Andy Carroll. A barely functional pisshead who costs more than the Olympic Stadium.

    Like French cycling - maybe some of the fault may be with you, rather than doping.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    RichN95 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Football fans are intensely interested as soon as think they've been cheated. If you want to find football fans that are upset about doping in football then meet some Arsenal fans (I'm one).
    And yet you got done over by Andy Carroll. A barely functional pisshead who costs more than the Olympic Stadium.

    Like French cycling - maybe some of the fault may be with you, rather than doping.

    Harsh, but fair.

    Though obviously, the ref was on drugs last weekend.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Though obviously, the ref was on drugs last weekend.
    I agree. Lanzini's 'opener' was clearly onside.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    RichN95 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Though obviously, the ref was on drugs last weekend.
    I agree. Lanzini's 'opener' was clearly onside.


    That was the lino, not the ref. But you're right.

    Carroll's performance on the pitch was outstanding. If you ignore the fact he probably shouldn't have been on it....

    But we Arsenaled it up, as per usual.
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Just that he isn't bothered.
    I imagine most football fans view it in the same way.
    Going back to this. Just the same, cycling fans are utterly obsessed with doping.

    There's a middle ground.

    Football fans are intensely interested as soon as think they've been cheated. If you want to find football fans that are upset about doping in football then meet some Arsenal fans (I'm one).

    2006 CL final....
    Why do some fans feel cheated by dopers? What has this cheating cost them?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    A win?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    The more interesting question is the tolerance of diving vs doping....
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    The more interesting question is the tolerance of diving vs doping....

    Tolerance? I don't think there's a lot of tolerance for diving. Fans are regularly enraged by it.

    But even if it were tolerated, you could argue that manipulating the referee is a basic part of the sport, and being good at diving is a skill.
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