Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Rick Chasey wrote:...How else can you feel something so powerful yet so inconsequential in your own life?
Ummm...
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dennisn wrote:Actually I'm glad to be considered "the strange one" in all this. I have never wanted to toe the line and be like everyone thinks I should be. I don't have that kind of temperment.
Yes I suspected that you'd think different = superior...
You re on your own there too.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The reason sport is so fupping brilliant is that it takes all of mankind's instincts towards armed combat and channels them into a codified conflict that has zero impact on ones own wellbeing. It lets you experience tribalism, jeopardy, victory, defeat etc in a safe manner that means your skull is unlikely to get bashed in by another monkey holding a pointy rock.
You'd have to have a heart of stone to display zero emotion whilst watching almost any sporting event. They all have something to teach you about human nature. Except snooker, obviously."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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disgruntledgoat wrote:The reason sport is so fupping brilliant is that it takes all of mankind's instincts towards armed combat and channels them into a codified conflict that has zero impact on ones own wellbeing. It lets you experience tribalism, jeopardy, victory, defeat etc in a safe manner that means your skull is unlikely to get bashed in by another monkey holding a pointy rock.
You'd have to have a heart of stone to display zero emotion whilst watching almost any sporting event. They all have something to teach you about human nature. Except snooker, obviously.
I thought soccer fans are segregated precisely because that is likely to happen!
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Can't say that I am at all surprised by the reason.
WADA suspends Beijing lab for two false negative results.
Plus it alleged that at least 6 swimming positives were made to disappear.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/a ... -oversight"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Can't say that I am at all surprised by the reason.
WADA suspends Beijing lab for two false negative results.
Plus it alleged that at least 6 swimming positives were made to disappear.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/a ... -oversight
well im shocked at the news about the chinese swimmers !
Think this shows, once again, that the system of NDOs is corrupt. It's better to have NDO funding go to WADA and then make the accredited labs independant, they wont even know which nationality they are testing.0 -
sherer wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:Can't say that I am at all surprised by the reason.
WADA suspends Beijing lab for two false negative results.
Plus it alleged that at least 6 swimming positives were made to disappear.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/a ... -oversight
well im shocked at the news about the chinese swimmers !
Think this shows, once again, that the system of NDOs is corrupt. It's better to have NDO funding go to WADA and then make the accredited labs independant, they wont even know which nationality they are testing.
Couldn't agree more. The only way.0 -
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Joelsim wrote:
It's footbal they only really test for recreation drugs.0 -
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Disappointed at the Sakho news - I'm going to have to transfer him out of my fantasy football team now
The BBC article on Sakho lists the pretty pathetic bans given to those who are somehow busted in football:
High-profile failed drug tests in English football
Player When Substance Initial ban
Jose Baxter (Sheff Utd) 2015 Ecstasy 5 months (FA suspension)
Jake Livermore (Hull) 2015 Cocaine Club suspension (no FA ban due to circumstances of case)
Kolo Toure (Man City) 2011 Specified substance 6 months (Wada suspension)
Paddy Kenny (Sheff Utd) 2009 Ephedrine 9 months (FA)
Abel Xavier (Middlesbrough) 2005 Anabolic steroid 18 months (Uefa suspension)
Adrian Mutu (Chelsea) 2004 Cocaine 7 months (FA)
Mark Bosnich (Chelsea) 2002 Cocaine 9 months (FA)
Lee Bowyer (Charlton) 1995 Cannabis 8 weeks (club suspension)0 -
RichN95 wrote:When I saw on twitter 'Sakho fails a drug test' I was was shocked
But then I found out it was the Sakho that plays for Liverpool, not the one that plays for West Ham, so I went back to not giving a toss.
I'm more concerned that you have the West Ham Sakho in your fantasy team. What the hell?
Anyway not sure any of the mad loons has made the link yet but pretty sure Liverpool and Team Sky share the same nutritional suppliers (via Liverpool John Moores University) and Sky's current nutritionist (Dr James Morton) worked for LFC between 2010-15.
Re: previous weak doping bans - the FA has tightened up its codes in last year or two to now match (or nearly match) UEFA/WADA's regulations. Think only difference is on the use of recreational drugs.
As I've explained to fellow LFC fans, strict liability in this case. No way Sakho getting away without hefty ban.0 -
You've made a massive error of judgement there. I don't do fantasy football. But I am an (armchair) West Ham fan of 30 years standing.stagehopper wrote:I'm more concerned that you have the West Ham Sakho in your fantasy team. What the hell?Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
You've made a massive error of judgement there. I don't do fantasy football. But I am an (armchair) West Ham fan of 30 years standing.stagehopper wrote:I'm more concerned that you have the West Ham Sakho in your fantasy team. What the hell?
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Oh Rich you can go off people so easily.
As a Sheff Utd fan, you need to add Jose Baxter to that list again. He was suspended a couple of months ago for the same thing, ban due to be handed down soon.0 -
narbs wrote:
Either a naive fool or has his head deep in the sand - clueless bit of journalism.
Are the Guardian sponsored by the Premier League?0 -
Dorset Boy wrote:narbs wrote:
Either a naive fool or has his head deep in the sand - clueless bit of journalism.
Are the Guardian sponsored by the Premier League?
We had the same with Phil liggett and others. They all know about the diving, cheating etc and I'm sure there are people who know about the medical back rooms. With their income depending on reporting on football why rock the boat0 -
sherer wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:narbs wrote:
Either a naive fool or has his head deep in the sand - clueless bit of journalism.
Are the Guardian sponsored by the Premier League?
We had the same with Phil liggett and others. They all know about the diving, cheating etc and I'm sure there are people who know about the medical back rooms. With their income depending on reporting on football why rock the boat
I'd say its something even more insidious than that. I've read/heard a number of articles/news reports state quite explicitly that the substance that Sakho tested positive for isn't a performance enhancing drug. It all ties in with the "doping doesn't help in football" mentality that was demonstrated earlier in the thread.
If someone uses chems to lose weight, then is just professionalim/better preparation. It's the same as when yer Fuentes clients were getting busted and claiming they had done nothing wrong, I guess.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
The_Boy wrote:sherer wrote:Dorset Boy wrote:narbs wrote:
Either a naive fool or has his head deep in the sand - clueless bit of journalism.
Are the Guardian sponsored by the Premier League?
We had the same with Phil liggett and others. They all know about the diving, cheating etc and I'm sure there are people who know about the medical back rooms. With their income depending on reporting on football why rock the boat
I'd say its something even more insidious than that. I've read/heard a number of articles/news reports state quite explicitly that the substance that Sakho tested positive for isn't a performance enhancing drug. It all ties in with the "doping doesn't help in football" mentality that was demonstrated earlier in the thread.
If someone uses chems to lose weight, then is just professionalim/better preparation. It's the same as when yer Fuentes clients were getting busted and claiming they had done nothing wrong, I guess.
It's beyond comprehension. A game and followers in denial.0 -
Joel- it's not denial. I honestly think most football fans don't care. Rightly or wrongly it's not a defining issue in the game.
in cycling some people almost seem more determined to make it an issue, no matter what, almost to the detriment of taking any enjoyment from the sport. Eg the clinic.0 -
I think you're right. It's a small minority of people who claim to care, for their own reasons. The vast majority of fans don't really seem to care.smithy21 wrote:Joel- it's not denial. I honestly think most football fans don't care. Rightly or wrongly it's not a defining issue in the game.
in cycling some people almost seem more determined to make it an issue, no matter what, almost to the detriment of taking any enjoyment from the sport. Eg the clinic.0 -
The thing with football fans is even if Sakho has deliberately taken a banned substance to lose weight they will see that as having less impact on Liverpool's season than a dodgy penalty or an offside goal in a key match. And they may be right.smithy21 wrote:Joel- it's not denial. I honestly think most football fans don't care. Rightly or wrongly it's not a defining issue in the game.
in cycling some people almost seem more determined to make it an issue, no matter what, almost to the detriment of taking any enjoyment from the sport. Eg the clinic.Twitter: @RichN950 -
smithy21 wrote:Joel- it's not denial. I honestly think most football fans don't care. Rightly or wrongly it's not a defining issue in the game.
in cycling some people almost seem more determined to make it an issue, no matter what, almost to the detriment of taking any enjoyment from the sport. Eg the clinic.
On the football forums I frequent it's actually mentioned quite a lot, but then again, I'm not the only cycling fan that posts there. We have to accept that as sporting fans go, we have far more knowledge of doping in sport than most.
To be fair though, if we hadn't seen the epidemic of EPO and dying riders in cycling, would be be so wound up by e.g. a fat stripper? We've reached a complete zero tolerance now, but I'm old enough to remember riders getting time penalties for amphetamines.
When footballers are testing positive for fat strippers then people aren't going to be that bothered. They can see an advantage in it, but they think it's basically just a bit lazy. It's not performance-enhancing in their eyes, it's just low level cheating to avoid the "who ate all the pies" chants. It's an individual player who took a short cut to shedding some pounds he would have shed anyway. But trust me on this, they would completely lose it if they discovered a Festina FC with EPO and blood doping and HGH.
You're right about The Asylum (clinic) though. I popped in there today, just out of morbid curiosity. Did you know Poels rode LBL faster than dirty doper Di Luca did in '07? Damning stuff.... Despite the multitude of course changes and the fact it's entirely irrelevant anyway. Though to be fair, even the asylum laughed that one out.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
RichN95 wrote:I just can't believe a footballer would use a fat stripper. The strippers they use usually have perfect bodies.
I knew I'd get pulled up on that. But have a chat with Rooney.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
