Drugs in other sports and the media.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777457#p19777457]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777412#p19777412]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:PR puffery of course. It serves to distance UK Athletics from the IAAF and Seb. And if there is more sh*t about to go down then creating distance is not a bad idea.
Note also that Paula has now come out strongly against any re-setting of records.
I dont blame her. I'd be off to CAS faster than Gatlin running from the testers
Surely she'd be ok with it if it would improve the credibility of the sport she so loves.
Bullsheet. Just because you have doubts about her.
Radcliffe says nothing. 'oh look, she's very quiet, must be because she has something to hide'
Radcliffe says 'On yer bike', and its 'oh, surely if she really cares about anti-doping, she'd make a sacrifice'. Which is of course code for 'she's guilty as hell'
If I were an athlete, I'd react exactly the same way i.e. you can fark right off, Ed Warner
Whether she is guilty or not, she hasn't exactly shown up thus far in the anti-doping fight. Then again she isn't alone in that.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777457#p19777457]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777412#p19777412]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:PR puffery of course. It serves to distance UK Athletics from the IAAF and Seb. And if there is more sh*t about to go down then creating distance is not a bad idea.
Note also that Paula has now come out strongly against any re-setting of records.
I dont blame her. I'd be off to CAS faster than Gatlin running from the testers
Surely she'd be ok with it if it would improve the credibility of the sport she so loves.
Bullsheet. Just because you have doubts about her.
Radcliffe says nothing. 'oh look, she's very quiet, must be because she has something to hide'
Radcliffe says 'On yer bike', and its 'oh, surely if she really cares about anti-doping, she'd make a sacrifice'. Which is of course code for 'she's guilty as hell'
If I were an athlete, I'd react exactly the same way i.e. you can fark right off, Ed Warner
RR suggest you take a scroll up/search this thread and see that I've not expressed doubts about Paula, you may be mistaking me for Big Bean.
But if the IAAF and athletics is as rotten as appears, then at some point a clean start may be necessary and Paula should be part of the solution (as part of her love for the support and for its credibility). What more powerful stance than a clean athlete saying I'm giving up my record and future earnings to improve the sport.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777457#p19777457]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777412#p19777412]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:PR puffery of course. It serves to distance UK Athletics from the IAAF and Seb. And if there is more sh*t about to go down then creating distance is not a bad idea.
Note also that Paula has now come out strongly against any re-setting of records.
I dont blame her. I'd be off to CAS faster than Gatlin running from the testers
Surely she'd be ok with it if it would improve the credibility of the sport she so loves.
Bullsheet. Just because you have doubts about her.
Radcliffe says nothing. 'oh look, she's very quiet, must be because she has something to hide'
Radcliffe says 'On yer bike', and its 'oh, surely if she really cares about anti-doping, she'd make a sacrifice'. Which is of course code for 'she's guilty as hell'
If I were an athlete, I'd react exactly the same way i.e. you can fark right off, Ed Warner
RR suggest you take a scroll up/search this thread and see that I've not expressed doubts about Paula, you may be mistaking me for Big Bean.
But if the IAAF and athletics is as rotten as appears, then at some point a clean start may be necessary and Paula should be part of the solution (as part of her love for the support and for its credibility). What more powerful stance than a clean athlete saying I'm giving up my record and future earnings to improve the sport.
Well if she is clean, why should she give up her record for the systematic failings of athletics? Bit harsh, isn't it?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
But if the IAAF and athletics is as rotten as appears, then at some point a clean start may be necessary and Paula should be part of the solution (as part of her love for the support and for its credibility). What more powerful stance than a clean athlete saying I'm giving up my record and future earnings to improve the sport.
"We need a futile gesture at this stage. It will raise the whole tone of the war"
http://youtu.be/Y5YW4qKOAVMTwitter: @RichN950 -
Couldn't find any of these shrooms in Boots.
Richmond Park has some*
*not in January
For a split second, I though you said RichN has got some but then I saw the 'mond' bit.
He's some sort of Celtic shaman, I'm convinced.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Couldn't find any of these shrooms in Boots.
Richmond Park has some*
*not in January
For a split second, I though you said RichN has got some but then I saw the 'mond' bit.
He's some sort of Celtic shaman, I'm convinced.
Check his frame.
On another note, this is an unwinnable war. Twas ever thus and will always be thus.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/uci-appeals-russian-cycling-federation-decision-to-clear-olympic-medallist-over-alleged-positive-test-206401?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social0 -
Bet Frenchie wishes he made that sign. Coe still has a leadership role in this 'sport'? He must be a human shield for the next massive scandal: Nike Palace?...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
^or you getting poetical in your old age, Joel?0
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Couldn't find any of these shrooms in Boots.
Richmond Park has some*
*not in January
For a split second, I though you said RichN has got some but then I saw the 'mond' bit.
He's some sort of Celtic shaman, I'm convinced.
Can he move, move, move any (Caerphilly) Mountain?0 -
But if the IAAF and athletics is as rotten as appears, then at some point a clean start may be necessary and Paula should be part of the solution (as part of her love for the support and for its credibility). What more powerful stance than a clean athlete saying I'm giving up my record and future earnings to improve the sport.
"We need a futile gesture at this stage. It will raise the whole tone of the war"
http://youtu.be/Y5YW4qKOAVM
To clarify, the call is for ALL records to be wiped. Clean or not. It's not imho about Paula but she's the one that responded to the journo's phonecall... neither Edwards or Jackson seem to have responded (yet).0 -
Remind me. What evidence did Paula have that Yegorova was guilty? These days she likes anti-doping to following every last letter of the doping rules.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777457#p19777457]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777412#p19777412]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:PR puffery of course. It serves to distance UK Athletics from the IAAF and Seb. And if there is more sh*t about to go down then creating distance is not a bad idea.
Note also that Paula has now come out strongly against any re-setting of records.
I dont blame her. I'd be off to CAS faster than Gatlin running from the testers
Surely she'd be ok with it if it would improve the credibility of the sport she so loves.
Bullsheet. Just because you have doubts about her.
Radcliffe says nothing. 'oh look, she's very quiet, must be because she has something to hide'
Radcliffe says 'On yer bike', and its 'oh, surely if she really cares about anti-doping, she'd make a sacrifice'. Which is of course code for 'she's guilty as hell'
If I were an athlete, I'd react exactly the same way i.e. you can fark right off, Ed Warner
RR suggest you take a scroll up/search this thread and see that I've not expressed doubts about Paula, you may be mistaking me for Big Bean.
But if the IAAF and athletics is as rotten as appears, then at some point a clean start may be necessary and Paula should be part of the solution (as part of her love for the support and for its credibility). What more powerful stance than a clean athlete saying I'm giving up my record and future earnings to improve the sport.
Guilty as charged. I'm hard to confuse with Dish as he is much more dashing and has a crush on Purito.0 -
She can't win with some of you can she? Why would you give up your record you set clean? Also there is still not one shred of hard evidence against her."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Remind me. What evidence did Paula have that Yegorova was guilty? These days she likes anti-doping to following every last letter of the doping rules.
Wasn't she Russian?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777527#p19777527]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:She can't win with some of you can she? Why would you give up your record you set clean? Also there is still not one shred of hard evidence against her.
That would be UK Athletics' proposal
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/11/uk-athletics-calls-for-world-records-to-be-reset-due-to-doping-crisis-athletics0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19777506#p19777506]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:^or you getting poetical in your old age, Joel?
Yes, poetical. Very poetical Simone.
Poetical Laureate I am, they call me Sam, because I weigh a gram.
Hang on, I've turned into Kanye.0 -
I can see the ideal of wiping the slate clean and starting again, and if Radcliffe truly loved the sport she would also realise that ideal and be prepared to forgo her records. However, do we really think that wiping the slate clean will mean that no one dopes any more. There will still be athletes that dope, hopefully more will get caught, some won't so what is the point in wiping the slate clean?0
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Remind me. What evidence did Paula have that Yegorova was guilty? These days she likes anti-doping to following every last letter of the doping rules.
A positive test for EPO.
She was cleared on a technicality as the test that was used on her urine was not at that time validated. It was shortly afterwards. I don't think there is any doubt Yegorova was guilty at the time, and she was subsequently banned in 2008 for a different offence.0 -
I can see the ideal of wiping the slate clean and starting again, and if Radcliffe truly loved the sport she would also realise that ideal and be prepared to forgo her records. However, do we really think that wiping the slate clean will mean that no one dopes any more. There will still be athletes that dope, hopefully more will get caught, some won't so what is the point in wiping the slate clean?
Like I've said before, if the governing body is complicit, the national federations have their own agenda...this is what you get. The EPO era in cycling, in athletics.
Frankly the only way things will change is by centralising the whole shebang under someone like Pound, and even then there is plenty of scope for subterfuge.
It wouldn't surprise me if close to 100% of (Olympic-standard) athletes are currently doping.0 -
I can see the ideal of wiping the slate clean and starting again, and if Radcliffe truly loved the sport she would also realise that ideal and be prepared to forgo her records. However, do we really think that wiping the slate clean will mean that no one dopes any more. There will still be athletes that dope, hopefully more will get caught, some won't so what is the point in wiping the slate clean?
Wiping the slate clean doesn't mean to wipe the results clean. Paula could still have the list of 1st on New York, 199X or 1st London 200X etc etc. Records and results could be mutually exclusive.
Can't find a picture of RichN's frame or copies of his witchcraft book.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Oh and whilst I am at it, Paula is a star and i'll have a fight around the backs of Gregg's in the car park with anyone that says different.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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I can see the ideal of wiping the slate clean and starting again, and if Radcliffe truly loved the sport she would also realise that ideal and be prepared to forgo her records. However, do we really think that wiping the slate clean will mean that no one dopes any more. There will still be athletes that dope, hopefully more will get caught, some won't so what is the point in wiping the slate clean?
Wiping the slate clean doesn't mean to wipe the results clean. Paula could still have the list of 1st on New York, 199X or 1st London 200X etc etc. Records and results could be mutually exclusive.
Can't find a picture of RichN's frame or copies of his witchcraft book.
Check the patents office? Or The Clinic, pseudonim 'Dave B'.0 -
Remind me. What evidence did Paula have that Yegorova was guilty? These days she likes anti-doping to following every last letter of the doping rules.
A positive test for EPO.
She was cleared on a technicality as the test that was used on her urine was not at that time validated. It was shortly afterwards. I don't think there is any doubt Yegorova was guilty at the time, and she was subsequently banned in 2008 for a different offence.
I read that it was because they didn't take a blood test which they needed to do as part of the protocol at the time. It's not really that much different than claiming blood values taken before the biological passport came in don't matter or that the 90 min testing window needs to be strictly observed.
It is also worth considering that just because the urine test may now be widely accepted doesn't mean that it was at the time, so her protest can't be justified by today's knowledge.0 -
The London Olympics fraud cost UK mobots £8.77bn. That's a lot of flood defences and renewable energy infrastructure. The only records that should be considered are the lengths of the jail terms for key players....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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The London Olympics fraud cost UK mobots £8.77bn. That's a lot of flood defences and renewable energy infrastructure. The only records that should be considered are the lengths of the jail terms for key players.
I guess that depends on the source of the stats.0 -
I guess that depends on the source of the stats.
Qué? Government spending reports tend to be more reliable than IAAF press releases. They need to be reasonably accurate for the bankers, ironically....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
I guess that depends on the source of the stats.
Qué? Government spending reports tend to be more reliable than IAAF press releases. They need to be reasonably accurate for the bankers, ironically.
Er, that is spend.
Not income.
Nor profit.0 -
I'm happy to skip all this dreary process and get to the bit when everyone accepts that cycling was used as the smoke and the mirrors in the great con trick/misdirection by numerous lesser sports for the last few decades.
I've lost count of the number of conversations I - and every cycling fan I know - have had with fans of these sports who've sneered and scoffed at cycling (and that even was before the Armstrong admission). The subtext from these twits was "I'm glad it's your sport and not mine that's so sordid". I want compensation for NOT being able to go back in time and ram a good 'HA!' down their smug throats.
By means of apology, I'd like to see a globally recognised representative from each of these sports get up on to platform, naked, in front of a live audience - and mime along to 'I'm Sorry' by Brenda Lee.0 -
I very much doubt that it has much doping, but in any case I would like to nominate double Olympic Gold Medallist Ellen Hoog as hockey's representative for this task.By means of apology, I'd like to see a globally recognised representative from each of these sports get up on to platform, naked, in front of a live audience - and mime along to 'I'm Sorry' by Brenda Lee.Twitter: @RichN950
